Hello!

This is my first post, and I hope it is a useful one.
I am making a 3D model of the complete injector assembly using Autodesk Inventor.
I've already made the plug housing (2-2) and the water inlet housing (2-3) exact to Stan's specifications. There is however some guesswork with the inlet threading and size. It would appear to me that the all the drawings throughout this design are inconsistent with each other and are not to scale with the measurements, however they do fit together.

I do have a few questions that I hope someone can help me clear up.

In figure 2-4, there is a label that says .110 DIA. STOP-SEAL SURFACE. What exactly is a "stop-seal surface," what does it imply?

In some of the measurements there are negative numbers in parentheses, usually very small on the scale of thousandths. What are these numbers for? Are they for fabrication accuracy?

And another question is about the functionality of the injector. Is the injector always supposed to be open? That is, there is no way to stop water from coming out the tip of the injector from the pressurized water inlet port?

One last thing that I've noticed is that no water can make it through the quenching circuits because of the way the ceramic sits inside the water inlet housing and the way both of those sit inside the injector housing. With one slight modification to how long the end of the ceramic insert is however, this problem can be fixed.

And now for why you came here. These models are my best interpretations of the drawings. These models do not have the fix stated above.

(Please note that the drawings may not be to size. )







You can download the models below. If you would like a different model file, please post and I'll see what I can do.

Very nice!  What other types of files can you export to?  

Quote from BAM5 on May 29th, 2012, 01:04 AM

In figure 2-4, there is a label that says .110 DIA. STOP-SEAL SURFACE. What exactly is a "stop-seal surface," what does it imply?

In some of the measurements there are negative numbers in parentheses, usually very small on the scale of thousandths. What are these numbers for? Are they for fabrication accuracy?

I'm not sure about the stop seal surface, maybe there is a sealant added?  Or maybe it's just describing a stop surface like a shoulder bolt has.
 When I drew up the bobbins I subtracted the numbers in parentheses from the diameter.  I think it is so that two parts will fit together.  Otherwise the inner diameter of one part was the same measurement of the outer diameter of the other part.  Some tolerence is needed so that the parts can easily be put together.  So on figure 2-4 the stainless probe measures .156 dia (-.001).  But really .156 is the diameter of the hole in the ceramic, and .155 is the diameter of the stainless probe.


Nate

HOLLY %$#% BAT MAN WELL DONE<

WORLD CLASS  Where is your donate button.

you should have one to help now and n future AWESOME

Can you help hit GOD SPEED on

other core parts like 10 CELL WFC or gas gun

YOU RULE MAN  This forum rocks !

Nate and Other can we get other injector sketch up versions  
slamming on here.  

This type of energy is going to motivate  a lot of
skilled people AWESOooooooooooooooooOME.

Dan

Could you export this model as an STL in millimeters (mm) or other unencumbered/free file format from Autodesk Inventor?

OK Thank you for Stating Software you used it always helps,

To some degree the separate but adjacent Solenoids
controlled some of the flow and reduced on flow ,solenoids can now be primed
to a pressure  are primed and release a fixed amount of gas/fluid.  

Your points are valid and we are all looking at them give 24 hrs.
 
To investigate  more the adaptions of solenoid and small travel length to injection point see and  look at LPG after market kits particulary from Italy look at italy70%) and Omnitech 30 % as they do more direct port no distance after solenoid.  


After market ECU , Computer controllers (obdII ) can now replace some of Stephen injectors controller , distributor ignition and accelerator he made with stan.

Thank you for your point raising post
and good interpretations of the specs it is very valuable  feed back

I have attached some pictures of  solenoids on modern lpg conversions
they are slightly removed from the injection point they work by being primed, the solenoid to give a fixed burst of gas/fluid they are extremely efficient and can easily driver pressure and measure volume to injector and ecu can easily handle timing to give voltage to injectors.

We must get more LPG guys involved with their teams
 and  HAck on parts they have laying around they could have or put together a part wedged in
 running in 24 hrs from final versions.

Injector is developing  

vic sections and coils boards more testing
tech drawing work on other items  for reproduction
costing & trails
all need doing
drawing and 3d help alot so that is a good section to nail where ever possible

on several part wfc, gas gun, housings
while others do electronics testing and build with vic and coils charts ,

Thanks! Glad to see some positive feed back!
I can export the files as .dwg, .catproduct, .ige, .igs, .iges, .jt, .x_b, .x_t, .g, .neu, .sat, .ste, .stp, .step, .stl, .xgl, .zgl.

Also, added a cutaway of the injector.

SecureSupplies: Thanks! :D
I do not have a donate button right now, but maybe I should get one.
Point me to some schematics and I'll see what I can do.

Oh right, stl formatted files for haxar. I didn't find where I could change the measurements to metric. I used imperial since that's what Stan Used. I updated the first post with the attachment.

have a look through this document (http://www.scribd.com/doc/4110288/Run-Car-on-Water-stanley-meyer-resonant-electrolysis-cell-system-collection) for the injector start at page 29 the vic bobbin and ss wire is also taked about further down this is back in 2007

Could you export them to DWG?  That seems like the only option for importing to blender.  This plug in seems a bit old, not sure if it will work on the latest blender version:
http://pythonide.blogspot.com/2009/04/dwg-support-for-blender.html

Importing the stl always seems so messy, im hoping that works better...

Alright, original post updated with DWG files.

BAM5

I've been wanting to draw one up, but I don't have anywhere close to those skills, Great job!

*** Jaw Drop ***
Simply Astounding. Great Work!

I was having issues sorting out, in my head, how the "Quenching Circuit Passageways" fit together with the "Distribution Cavity".

If I had to take a stab in the dark... the ceramic insulates all the way to the start of the "needle point" then... you have those 6 slots in the ceramic. Which allows the water to enter the "needle"

I apologize for putting a very bad picture in comparison to an excellent picture.
Does that help get the idea across?

Quote from BAM5 on May 29th, 2012, 04:09 PM

Thanks! Glad to see some positive feed back!
I can export the files as .dwg, .catproduct, .ige, .igs, .iges, .jt, .x_b, .x_t, .g, .neu, .sat, .ste, .stp, .step, .stl, .xgl, .zgl.

Also, added a cutaway of the injector.

SecureSupplies: Thanks! :D
I do not have a donate button right now, but maybe I should get one.
Point me to some schematics and I'll see what I can do.

Oh right, stl formatted files for haxar. I didn't find where I could change the measurements to metric. I used imperial since that's what Stan Used. I updated the first post with the attachment.

HI  WE HAVE MANY IRON IN THE FIRE ,
EVERY DRAWING IMAGE HELPS EVEN IF BORING PC OR PART, IT MAKES IT GO BEYOND WHAT STAN DID AND LIGHTNING FAST  

KEY HERE IS TO MAKE THIS GO VIRAL IN SCHOOLS LPG INSTALLER AND STREET RODDERS ETC

THE NEW "MOON SHINE"

PLEASE HAVE A CRACK AT THE ATTACHED

ROUGH ORDER OF IMPORTANTANCE

11 CELL WFC
GAS PROCESSOR
hERMANS iNJECTORS
EXHAUST REGULATOR
STEAM RESONATOR
WATER LEVEL INDICATOR
STANS HEATER OR ANY PARTS THERE OF.

ALL OR ANY PEOPLE WANT TO WORK ON IS GOOD.

WE CAN'T HAVE TOO MANY TECHNICAL OR 3D RE PRESENTATIONS
SO GO FOR IT WE NEED YOUR ASSISTANCE  

a SPECIAL NOTE QUENCHING TUBE IS BECOMING IMPORT STIL NEED TO
FISHED THAT THERE LAST REFERRAL i GOT WAS TO HERE FOR
EXPLOSION PROOF QUENCHING TUBE
SOME WHERE IN THIS DIRECTORY .

http://www.powderbulksolids.com/manufacturers
QUENCHING SEE THREAD

DAN.

For those that have no access to expensive cad software there is a good open source solution named FreeCAD: http://sourceforge.net/projects/free-cad/ Available for Windows, Linux and Mac. Maybe suitable for 3D printing as well?

BAM5!

wow man!!!! that is fantastic!

looking really good!!!

so just using the dimensions on stan"s drawings... dose everything fit up?

also, normally you have tolerances.  theses are normally + or - in this case these are - as those parts need to fit together.

your doing a fantastic job!!!

also, in the 11 cell unit... Chris has already got that done. we are going to put an open source license on it as you should also do on anything you draw up...

thanks for all your hard work as we all need to use our skills where we can! cool!!!

PS. i'm going to use these drawings on my web site with reference to this thread if that's ok with you!!!

let me know a name to put with it or if you just want BAM5... that's ok too!

Blessings! ~Russ

HMS-776: To be honest, it's just because the program is quite easy to use. I learned it while on my robotics team in high school a couple years ago.

SecureSupplies: Do you know where I can get schematics with exact measurements like Russ posted with the injectors? Otherwise I'd be going blind and am liable to mess something up.

Sharky: If someone has a 3D printer I'm sure they already have some sort of CAD software :P But that program looks quite good. Very similar to the program that I'm using too!

O hai Russ! Thanks for the kind words.
Yes, everything fits up up to the ceramic insert blocking off water flow to the probe from the inlet housing, this is fixed simply by reducing the end of the ceramic insert by .010" like in the drawing below. The only other odd thing was the retaining cap's dimensions, it doesn't fit all the way to the base of the ceramic insert's little stopper arrow thing. But this could be intentional so it can get more force on it with the clamping nut. But all in all it seems like a viable design, I think it could be compacted though and have been tossing some ideas around in my head. And yeah, you can use my drawings wherever you'd like, you can use BAM5 or Brian. And if there's any specific part you'd like a close up and labeling of just ask.

RavenousEmu: Not quite. Take a look at this, hopefully it'll clear some things up:

Hi Bam Some things we have some things we have to build and meaure

Russ  

Can you please make some basic measurements and post here for the gas processor
 Bam can put it in his system.  Bust it forward alittle .
Like Wise Nate & Chris lets get this distributed FAST .  

Dan

Quote from BAM5 on May 30th, 2012, 02:09 AM

And yeah, you can use my drawings wherever you'd like, you can use BAM5 or Brian. And if there's any specific part you'd like a close up and labeling of just ask.

if you dont mind, just get some general views/cutaways of the entire injector. with "points" loke you have already here on this Thred.  so if there are any questions we/anyone will have a drawing to point out all the parts! basically just like you have done!

possibly a lighter background so the injector shows up better?  

just email me the photos here: rwg42985@aol.com

you can post them here also, just eazer to upload them in in email...

They will be a "show photos" so anyone looking can see what they would look like. and what part is what part...  would be a wonderful "eye opener" for those browsing the site! also a good way to point out all the wonderful people we have here on the forms!

Blessings!!! ~Russ

Quote from Sharky on May 30th, 2012, 12:56 AM

For those that have no access to expensive cad software there is a good open source solution named FreeCAD: http://sourceforge.net/projects/free-cad/ Available for Windows, Linux and Mac. Maybe suitable for 3D printing as well?

Here's another program with better development:
http://brlcad.org/
http://sourceforge.net/projects/brlcad/

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on May 30th, 2012, 03:02 AM

Quote from BAM5 on May 30th, 2012, 02:09 AM

And yeah, you can use my drawings wherever you'd like, you can use BAM5 or Brian. And if there's any specific part you'd like a close up and labeling of just ask.

if you dont mind, just get some general views/cutaways of the entire injector. with "points" loke you have already here on this Thred.  so if there are any questions we/anyone will have a drawing to point out all the parts! basically just like you have done!

possibly a lighter background so the injector shows up better?  

just email me the photos here: rwg42985@aol.com

you can post them here also, just eazer to upload them in in email...

They will be a "show photos" so anyone looking can see what they would look like. and what part is what part...  would be a wonderful "eye opener" for those browsing the site! also a good way to point out all the wonderful people we have here on the forms!

Blessings!!! ~Russ

That's really nice work guy's.:D:P

Quote from BAM5 on May 30th, 2012, 02:09 AM

RavenousEmu: Not quite. Take a look at this, hopefully it'll clear some things up:

Bam5, Thanks!  That really does help clear up the confusion.

I was looking at BAM5's drawing of the quenching circuits and how hard they would be to machine out.  Would it be possible to have a die that could strike the circuits into the metal?  Much like how a coin is struck.  That would probably more force than any of us has in our garages though... the BFH might not be precise enough.:P

Nate

This may help some that is trying to mill the 10 thousands slots for the quinching disk. http://www.micro100distribution.com/pdf/endMills.pdf $28.20 each

Quote from BAM5 on May 30th, 2012, 02:09 AM

HMS-776: To be honest, it's just because the program is quite easy to use. I learned it while on my robotics team in high school a couple years ago.

SecureSupplies: Do you know where I can get schematics with exact measurements like Russ posted with the injectors? Otherwise I'd be going blind and am liable to mess something up.

Sharky: If someone has a 3D printer I'm sure they already have some sort of CAD software :P But that program looks quite good. Very similar to the program that I'm using too!

O hai Russ! Thanks for the kind words.
Yes, everything fits up up to the ceramic insert blocking off water flow to the probe from the inlet housing, this is fixed simply by reducing the end of the ceramic insert by .010" like in the drawing below. The only other odd thing was the retaining cap's dimensions, it doesn't fit all the way to the base of the ceramic insert's little stopper arrow thing. But this could be intentional so it can get more force on it with the clamping nut. But all in all it seems like a viable design, I think it could be compacted though and have been tossing some ideas around in my head. And yeah, you can use my drawings wherever you'd like, you can use BAM5 or Brian. And if there's any specific part you'd like a close up and labeling of just ask.

RavenousEmu: Not quite. Take a look at this, hopefully it'll clear some things up:

Wow - BAM. That's great work.  Just  like a Thermal Explosion :D   You've got quite the skills to pay the bills.  Glad your here.

Bam that is impressive:cool::D Jeff.,

BAM5

I may be wrong in my interpretation but I believe the quenching slots should be at a 30 degree angle (Stan states 30 degrees from center in the drawing). I think the angle causes the water to swirl and completly fill the space between the voltage zones. Any air pockets could result in arcing which will drain the charge off.

Another thing with these injectors, when you think about them. The injection and compression strokes of an engine are pretty short, combine this with varying RPM's (automobile engines) and it seems likely that these injectors could have timing issues. Think about it, you have to inject the water, split the water, and then get a spark to occur at the right time. If there is water between the gap it could short out the spark energy and prevent a spark all together. If a conventional distributor is used I don't think it would even be possible to get a spark duration long enough to split the water and ignite the gasses at the right time. Anyways, Stan must have had a more complex system in the end.