The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017

~Russ

The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
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If this dont get your stomach cringe... There is something wrong with you..


https://youtu.be/CrJIzrmX1mI


I have spent the last 2 or so months working on new ideas ( new to me) and looking for answers. looking at and making my own theory's about the way things work. or look to find others who's make sense.

In the process I agree that I need a device that runs on pure potential. something that can also generate a massive magnetic field. i want that BEMF... that current and high voltage...

How can i do that? Well it appears Joseph's motor may do just that.

still no one can answer what happens when a really long wire is shorted across a battery and released before the current gets through it back to the source, do yo pay for that? is there losses? is there a magnetic field? etc.

so i ask a other unanswerable question.
if I have 1000Lb of copper,lets say its fine wire ( say 36 awg) , can i generate a magnetic field that is just as strong with just voltage ( minimal amperage) 

where as i was doing it with 1 awg but the same 1000Lb of copper. this yields massive BEMF.

the 1AWG generated the same or smaller magnetic field before the current made it through the wire, but this requires ultra fast switching and possibly high current. we know lower the resistance the less the loss. 

so can i go the other way? massive voltage and almost no current? can I generate a magnetic field that is = to or greater than that of the same mass of wire but with just potential?  and in doing this we dont need the fast switching to get the same effect... we can almost do it with out thinking about it... current cant get through that mass of small wire... but POTENTIAL CAN

i will be reading the book of Newman, to rediscover what he did, and see f it fits our current understanding that " the load dose not consume the energy" ( i think it dose according to what i have seen already)

but instead of using current ( that kills our dipole) we use potential. " high tension"  so we can keep our dipole.

ok, so i want to build it big... no less than 40 lb of magnet wire... more like 150 if i can get it...

E=MC2

if Energy is = to Mass x Light 2... well then the bigger we make it, the more energy we can generate. ??? the more potential it has...
 
i came to the conclusion over the last 2 months or so that the bigger we build something, the more potential it has to show us something....

 a small 12V battery connected to a large inductor ( like a large 500 foot spool of #8 wire)  can do amazing things. What if we multiplied everything by 100,000?

you think 12,000,000 volts will yield different results? or is it the same old stuff? what about instead of 500Ft we use 500,000,000Ft?

any how "go big or go home" i think should be Joe's new Quote...

The more mass he states, the more energy it can generate, and the less input is required... I guess nature can agree with that...

we must not think so "localized" me thinks...

He Quotes "mass in to energy using a 100% conversion process"

I'm not sure about all his deep thoughts at the moment... but in due time i want to see if his theory makes sense to me with what i have already learned.

feel free to fallow along...

~Russ

ps, i have a play lost of the videos i found usfull about Joe, and ill keep adding to it.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsiIKXpZfLKLAU9vA2ZkdmCC2CuKadDUt

haxar

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
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Quote from ~Russ on November 3rd, 2017, 10:20 PM
E=MC2

if energy is = to mass x light 2... well then the bigger we make it, the more energy we can generate. ???
Mass.

Matt Watts


~Russ

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
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International patent.

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By the way.

I would read the photographed book PDF.  Apparently the others might be "edited"

~Russ
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Ever seen a 16,000 Henry coil!  And this is the small unit. What do you think that big unit would be????


Matt Watts

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Interesting they used the mechanical properties of the coil to determine the inductance.  They never mention the coil's capacitance or its self-resonant frequency.  Those are data points I would like to see.  The reason being is we need to know the concept involved that really changes all the rules.  Nelson Rocha's device doesn't have huge coils, but apparently still works.  What is the common thread here...?  There's a line in the sand that we never seem to cross.  We need to know what that line is, how to cross it and what to expect when we cross it.
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In the documentary, there is a statement made that one of the independent tests was not successful because the device was grounded.  I find this a little odd seeing how some devices (like Ruslan's) must be grounded in order to function.  What this tells me in regards to Joe's device is a ground provides an entry point where ambient energy equalizes/balances his system preventing OU operation.  So this is very different in some respects to systems we have studied in the past.  Joe's motor/generator must remain isolated or only allow ambient energy into the system at key or very controlled entry points (commutator sparks ??).

~Russ

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Matt. It was stated some where that if the device IS grounded. The energy has a place to Leave the the system.

Instead of staying in the system.

By the way we have know idea where and why it was grounded... 

More can be read here.

However its kinda misleading me thinks. Seems things were changed a bit here for some reasion. 

But I found Joe him self correctly state some things.  Like the fact that Joe would not show up at the tests. Bit he was notified hrs before and lived to faraway to get there on time.

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/681/16/1800217/

Also. I think some devices create a void (back side of the pipe)  they need a ground.  others need the pressure side (front side of the pipe) such as joes. The BEMF genarates 2 things. So your device needs to be one of 2 or both. And that's the difference. I think between a grounded system and an un grounded one.

~Russ
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I had a thought. 

If you had a massage magnet,  and a massive coil, 

Would it not produce massive torque?

I mean using current we do this now, 

So if we short out a coil after its energized,  it will stay "charged" for a while longer.

So if we dump that BEMF in to a cap that is in parallel with the coil,  it should do the same thing.?

And by holding that feild in the coil it will generate a verry long duration of a magnetic feild for a short input time.

Joe stated that only in his last years did he decoverd how to genarate  torque.
So my guess is he was not using that BEMF in his first devices. So it just shot off in to space. And some other places in the system. (Like to recharge the battery's) 

Also note that the system genarates high RF frequncy. Do to self ossalation I bet from the LC of the coils self resonance. 

I think it was said on that last text there from the cort. was megahertz frequncys coming from the device. I got to re find that text

Just some thoughts.

~Russ

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There it is. It was in the last text I posted.
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Only Dr. Roger Hastings, the physicist, was asked directly to define a Newman device's "input" and "output" for purposes of ascertaining whether the latter exceeds the former. The "input," he said, consisted of the power supplied by the batteries. The "output," however, should be deemed to include not only mechanical work done (when configured as a motor) or the current generated in an adjoining coil (as a generator) conventionally considered to be any motor/generator's "useful" output but also certain other "outputs," e.g., the current-generated heat emanating from the coil, or the friction heat developed in the bearings upon which the magnet/commutator rotates. By far the most significant increment to "output" in a Newman device, however, according to Dr. Hastings, is to be found in certain anomalous "back spikes" of current it generates in the megaHerz range, which Dr. Hastings asserts he has perceived on an oscilloscope, listened to on (and used to power) a transistor radio, and observed to heat a beaker of water when channeled through a resistor immersed in it.
~Russ
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So far I have found 3 devices where I was mesuring MHz range pulses. Mostly 200mhz - 240mhz.

Mabey this is a clue.

I'll attach some photos.

~Russ
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The ones I can find

Note the one was a Christmas light Conected to a 9v switched with a reed. The light was hardly on but the RF was transmitted in to EVERY signal on my scope!  Through  The shielded cables. Dont forger this is isolated Inputs.


~Russ
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from a chat. i did not want to re do this:
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(21:48:08) ~Russ: he uses magnets
(21:49:54) ~Russ: the weight, think about it. How did he get that thing going......
(21:50:01) ~Russ: with 4ma?
(21:50:09) ~Russ: 30 Watts
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(21:50:46) hydniq: pulse by pulse
(21:50:51) ~Russ: no...
(21:50:57) ~Russ: that's what i'm saying!
(21:51:24) ~Russ: he dose it pulse at a time. ok... think about a short tinny pulse
(21:51:42) ~Russ: how did he go from a dead stop to a 1/2 rev with a pulse?
(21:52:17) hydniq: oh! at the end of the video?
(21:52:18) ~Russ: i mean i can tell you how...( from my thinking) but normally ... it dont work like that
(21:52:30) ~Russ: there are a bunch of him and his big motor
(21:52:40) ~Russ: when he was old
(21:52:51) ~Russ: when he was young he started it by hand
(21:53:45) hydniq: he was using 250vdc
(21:53:55) ~Russ: https://youtu.be/Iz2nMJ8iHGQ?lis​t=PLsiIKXpZfLKLAU9vA2ZkdmCC2CuKad​DUt&t=367
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(21:54:04) hydniq: that's a big pulse
(21:54:18) ~Russ: 250 x 4ma = 100W
(21:55:07) ~Russ: take any pulse motor, if its got a massive weight its extremely hard to get going with all most no real power
(21:55:19) ~Russ: the pulse is to short
(21:55:27) ~Russ: to get that mass going.
(21:55:35) haxar: mass
(21:55:38) ~Russ: so he uses the coil shorting mehtiod
(21:56:51) ~Russ: note there he has the wheel marked + and -
(21:57:20) hydniq: remember the north out the top and south on bottom. so with one pulse he's pushing two magnets
(21:57:20) ~Russ: he starts it on the top of a cycle
(21:57:59) ~Russ: right but his commutator is only a small part of the rotation...
(21:58:25) ~Russ: not the hole half cycle
(21:58:31) ~Russ: that's what I'm saying
(21:58:54) ~Russ: short out a coil that's charged. it will stay charged for a long time. it only takes a tap of an input
(21:59:09) ~Russ: this is 1 key to getting torque out of his motor,
(21:59:32) hydniq: yes it's timed for the magnets just breaching the coils for max push
(22:00:00) ~Russ: else the back spike will fire, but if its shorted it dose not do that. he gives clues in many videos i have watched
(22:00:50) ~Russ: right so for a short input you can have a big field there... this is 1 part where he makes up in his efficiency

it seems he is doing this shorting with caps. its automatic it may seem.

~Russ

Matt Watts

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
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Most certainly.  Short a coil with a discharged capacitor.  That will hold the magnetic field in the coil for a certain length of time.  If that length of time equates to the time required for a partial cycle of rotation, bingo you just harvested not only the energy used in the coil to make the magnetic field, but you also delayed the magnetic field just long enough to create incredible torque on the rotor.  Pretty darn ingenious if you ask me.

~Russ

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Quote from Matt Watts on November 4th, 2017, 10:28 PM
Most certainly.  Short a coil with a discharged capacitor.  That will hold the magnetic field in the coil for a certain length of time.  If that length of time equates to the time required for a partial cycle of rotation, bingo you just harvested not only the energy used in the coil to make the magnetic field, but you also delayed the magnetic field just long enough to create incredible torque on the rotor.  Pretty darn ingenious if you ask me.
yeah it is, and i'm glad i put 2 in 2... 2 :)

i think there is more to it as well but that's one part to this " information that's not in the book" as he stated in his later videos...

This works better with mass i would think. again, part of why he said the bigger you build it, the less in put it takes. and the more output it generates.it only makes sense...

still more to think about... but its a good start.

~Russ
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i still dont know if this works:

is voltage = to current if the magnetic field generated is the same?

Basically is 10V@10A (100W) generating the same magnetic field as 1000V@.1A ( 100w) ???

The 10x10 is heavy gauge wire... the same as the 1000x.1 fine wire?

what dose that curve look like? posibaly we can find some prior research on this?

also dose it have a time constant that is better for not killing our dipole?

~Russ
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Ah. Page 299 and a few after that.

Guess I just need to keep reading the book...

Looks like most of the answers are there.

~Russ
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Hummm. The magnetic feild dose not come from the current. But rather from the wire its self....  There's a new thought.  And it matches our "the load is not consuming the energy... "  In this case a coil.

"Where dose the light come from" i have asked... not the input...  And magnetism  is light? 

....

~Russ

talisman

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Re Joe Newman

I think Joe did what he could but was not able to convey the terms of reference expected by different groups. It is a complex  system and though we use a complex system like a car we become accustomed to the convention and take it for granted.
 
There then is more than an instant learning curve because of the degree of complexity of the device. It has to be dumbed down for making a case but detailed enough to be on the balance of probability to make a technical case.

The problem becomes socio-economic-political because of convention. Large organizations in the billions are compartmentalized the engineers had no choice but to follow employer direction even if their background let them reason on Joe Newman's device. In the form he had it was commercial power scale but to be economic it would have had to be rebuilt. That would be an example of an economic consideration but if it is given too much weight or exaggerated then a drawback can overshadow the importance of the underlying theory and what it can evolve to be.
The best lesson is to minimize mistakes on these endeavours. 
     
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if Energy is = to Mass x Light 2... well then the bigger we make it, the more energy we can generate. ??? the more potential it has...
I would make stuff as big as needed. Size could be replaced by higher density. In the generator sense to me it is the amount of input with speed over time could substitute as needed compared for solid state inductance rate with mass. Volts are speed of force? Amps are volume density state of current?   

We need enough to get the wanted result with universal mass energy. 

~Russ

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https://youtu.be/UDrnklkgHrY

That's right.  Spot on...

~Russ

chuff1

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If we use the example of a fluid medium being electrons in a wire, I want to reemphasize the concept of magneto-hydrodynamics. This is the mechanism that makes the energy flow. In a small wire we see fast flow and low volume and large volume slow flow.  The Lorentz force is the reactionary force not the cause.  If we create a field with a long wire then tap the same coil  at multiple points along its length to pull out the current when the field collapses.

sonnet

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I'm glad to see you have turned some attention to the methods of Joe Newman. I first joined this forum stating current is our enemy, and I still see it that way. We see current as giving us the power and it's hiding the real beast. Magnetism...we use the magnetism to do the work and we don't need excessive current for that.