Hi geenee,

I tried this with my flyback transfo. It was like in the video. But without bubbles.
But also the surface of the watersurface was "dancing" and beginn to turn like electrical field. Only had 14kV, but this is ok, I will try to increase.

The test was like we were thinking of:
One tube feeded by the flyback, the other tube was neutral and isolated against ground.

Also I took an other neutral cable and bring the cable in the position nearly to the water surface, an arc was visible which ionized the air. --> So the water has the potential like the tube and the output of the flyback. :)
Which also means there is a force on the water indeed.

This is very good. It is the basic of elongate watermolecules or to ionize.
Maybe I can increase the voltage, I need an other voltage supply!

The topologie is nearly the same to the one in the attachment.
It is compareable with the primary side of stans cell driver.
http://www.rexresearch.com/meyerhy/wo92-5.jpg

Great work, Amsy.

No bubble?? or the tube inside water is ground??

what model of HV Diode is?

2n3904 and 2n3906 = cell driver-----> yes,like you said.same reason of Stan(drive power npn transistor).but stan has 3 transistors????

thanks
geenee

good work guys, one thing i can say is if you get in to the 80,000 to 10,000+ range you can start to see soft xrays and xrays in the emissions if the arc.

if you get this far you start to get to this stage:

http://waterpoweredcar.com/herman.html

this guy Herman P. Anderson is using soft xrays to do his work.. .starts to get interesting.

see this video if you want to see him explain it. hard to hear but its very interesting.

well crap i cant find it... it was a an interview of him and the guy that had his car tried to stat a museum and he posted the footage... cant find it...

any way. i could not imagine a voltage potential of lets say 100,000v and no amperage. it would be a stagnant high voltage potential lets sat a 1mm gap and no arc as there would be no amperage...  that would do some very very strange stuff to water or any molecule...

just some thoughts!

keep experimenting and keep posting and keep discussing! good stuff guys! :)

~Russ

Quote from Amsy on July 12th, 2012, 08:21 AM

Hi geenee,

I tried this with my flyback transfo. It was like in the video. But without bubbles.
But also the surface of the watersurface was "dancing" and beginn to turn like electrical field. Only had 14kV, but this is ok, I will try to increase.

The test was like we were thinking of:
One tube feeded by the flyback, the other tube was neutral and isolated against ground.

Also I took an other neutral cable and bring the cable in the position nearly to the water surface, an arc was visible which ionized the air. --> So the water has the potential like the tube and the output of the flyback. :)
Which also means there is a force on the water indeed.

This is very good. It is the basic of elongate watermolecules or to ionize.
Maybe I can increase the voltage, I need an other voltage supply!

The topologie is nearly the same to the one in the attachment.
It is compareable with the primary side of stans cell driver.
http://www.rexresearch.com/meyerhy/wo92-5.jpg

Amsy
if you have a pc psu take the yellow wire as + from the hdd power line,and take blue wire for - on the motherboard 20pin soket,you will have 24v.and is not need for complex drivers ,one 2n3055 with heatsink will do,but you have to hook your output of your 555 or whatever freq gen to a optocouler like stan did,to provide the voltage required for 2n0355.this is how i do it ,it buzzes the hell of the flyback:)) .and I am still confused on the dave lawton circuit,in the circuit descripton he describes the right side being the gate and left freq gen,but i think is oposite,as i seen on osciloscope.Aniother thing ,i cannot get square waves out of the right side(the one with ceramic caps) it's a bunch of freq waves but no square waves.What i need is :a carrier square wave,within that carier square wave is the freq that must be modulated/3 ranges for example,and then this carier wave,gated.From what i see on the scope is a buch of freq.gated...fi anyone can explain...

Thank you guys! :)

First I tried like in the video with the isolated wire (HV) to ionisate the water. The neutral obeject was a stainless steel tube in the waterbath. The water was dancing-> but no bubbles.

Then I tried to create a small gap with my both stainless steel tubes in the waterbath. I connected one with the HV of the flyback transfo and the other was neutral. But no bubbles. I think the 14kV are too little.
In this setup I touched the waterbath with a neutral cable and an arc forms from the cable to the watersurface. So the water was loaded with HV. -->bassically good!
By the way my hair on the arms and on the head errected :) Like when you rubbing a balloon.
I will look, if I can find the HV Diode in the flyback transfo.

Thank you Russ, I will search the video.
You are right, such high voltages can do strange stuff to molecules.

Hi, Adys
The topologie I posted is from a webside. It isn´t mine (but nearly). The flyback which I have, is like you said a little easier to built (ordinary), with one mosfet. But it shows, that the primarys of Meyer and a standard flyback are nearly the same. Thank you for your hint. I will do this, I have such a voltage supply of a CPU. Because I need at least 20V to get 18-19kV.

Greetings

Hy folks,

I want to give a short update.
Unfortunatelly the voltage suplly isn´t usable for a voltage of 24V. The device always turning automatically off when I try to use +12V and -12V. So I searching now in the moment for another supply to increase the voltage of the flyback transfo.

By the way, a fellow in an other forum posted a very good link. It is an report about a test of the early beginnings of electrostatic (3-phase generator wasn´t invited at this time). The testreport says that they (Adriaan Paets van Troostwijk and Johan Rudolph Deiman) was able to build HHO gas (explosion test) only with an HV electrical field. :exclamation:

http://ecaaser3.ecaa.ntu.edu.tw/weifang/eBook/electrolysis/The%20electrolysis%20of%20water.pdf

Quote from Amsy on July 16th, 2012, 10:31 PM

Hy folks,

I want to give a short update.
Unfortunatelly the voltage suplly isn´t usable for a voltage of 24V. The device always turning automatically off when I try to use +12V and -12V. So I searching now in the moment for another supply to increase the voltage of the flyback transfo.

By the way, a fellow in an other forum posted a very good link. It is an report about a test of the early beginnings of electrostatic (3-phase generator wasn´t invited at this time). The testreport says that they (Adriaan Paets van Troostwijk and Johan Rudolph Deiman) was able to build HHO gas (explosion test) only with an HV electrical field. :exclamation:

http://ecaaser3.ecaa.ntu.edu.tw/weifang/eBook/electrolysis/The%20electrolysis%20of%20water.pdf

Amsy all psu power supllys have a short circuit protection,it's shuts down because of a short,maybe your transistor is burned out.I'v been able to produce a nice little stream of hho with a flyback,but not by resonance but with the mostefficient frequency for the flyback,the H and O are separated by a ''magnet'' voltage,1cm of sparkgap i think there was 2kv there,works even without the diode and chokes because is no step charging.Cheers!!

Quote from adys15 on July 17th, 2012, 01:41 AM

Quote from Amsy on July 16th, 2012, 10:31 PM

Hy folks,

I want to give a short update.
Unfortunatelly the voltage suplly isn´t usable for a voltage of 24V. The device always turning automatically off when I try to use +12V and -12V. So I searching now in the moment for another supply to increase the voltage of the flyback transfo.

By the way, a fellow in an other forum posted a very good link. It is an report about a test of the early beginnings of electrostatic (3-phase generator wasn´t invited at this time). The testreport says that they (Adriaan Paets van Troostwijk and Johan Rudolph Deiman) was able to build HHO gas (explosion test) only with an HV electrical field. :exclamation:

http://ecaaser3.ecaa.ntu.edu.tw/weifang/eBook/electrolysis/The%20electrolysis%20of%20water.pdf

Amsy all psu power supllys have a short circuit protection,it's shuts down because of a short,maybe your transistor is burned out.I'v been able to produce a nice little stream of hho with a flyback,but not by resonance but with the mostefficient frequency for the flyback,the H and O are separated by a ''magnet'' voltage,1cm of sparkgap i think there was 2kv there,works even without the diode and chokes because is no step charging.Cheers!!

I agree to your test, but wasn´t able to replicate such HHO Output.
I used the flyback (15.734Hz) which is aligned to its frequency. (Best frequency for this setup). Also no charging chokes or something. ~14kV.

Do you used a real ground e.g of voltage supply on the spark gap? Or do you used a HV vs. neutral plate?
The "magnet" voltage is the attraction/pulling on the molecules because of the electrostatic force. Electrostatic force can also be higher than coloumb force.  

Quote from Amsy on July 17th, 2012, 06:49 AM

Quote from adys15 on July 17th, 2012, 01:41 AM

Quote from Amsy on July 16th, 2012, 10:31 PM

Hy folks,

I want to give a short update.
Unfortunatelly the voltage suplly isn´t usable for a voltage of 24V. The device always turning automatically off when I try to use +12V and -12V. So I searching now in the moment for another supply to increase the voltage of the flyback transfo.

By the way, a fellow in an other forum posted a very good link. It is an report about a test of the early beginnings of electrostatic (3-phase generator wasn´t invited at this time). The testreport says that they (Adriaan Paets van Troostwijk and Johan Rudolph Deiman) was able to build HHO gas (explosion test) only with an HV electrical field. :exclamation:

http://ecaaser3.ecaa.ntu.edu.tw/weifang/eBook/electrolysis/The%20electrolysis%20of%20water.pdf

Amsy all psu power supllys have a short circuit protection,it's shuts down because of a short,maybe your transistor is burned out.I'v been able to produce a nice little stream of hho with a flyback,but not by resonance but with the mostefficient frequency for the flyback,the H and O are separated by a ''magnet'' voltage,1cm of sparkgap i think there was 2kv there,works even without the diode and chokes because is no step charging.Cheers!!

I agree to your test, but wasn´t able to replicate such HHO Output.
I used the flyback (15.734Hz) which is aligned to its frequency. (Best frequency for this setup). Also no charging chokes or something. ~14kV.

Do you used a real ground e.g of voltage supply on the spark gap? Or do you used a HV vs. neutral plate?
The "magnet" voltage is the attraction/pulling on the molecules because of the electrostatic force. Electrostatic force can also be higher than coloumb force.

First i used the negative of the flyback,or the negative plate/or water surface.Yes the voltage magnetpull the molecules but you need lots of hundreds of volts to achive brute force production.Whithout resonance and step charging you cannot make use of the ''capacitor''
Guys here is another thing that you probably know,from Stan's patents,he says that he converts 5 gallons of water in an hour.I search the web for how much hho is in a mol of water and here is what i came up with:
1L H2O = 1kg H2O = 55.5093 mol H20
~111 mol H
~55.5 mol O
~55.5 mol HHO

PV=nRT
assuming P = 1atm (normal pressure)
Assuming T = 293 K (room temp
n = 55.5 mol
R = .082057
This will give V = 1334.37 L
(the top calculation is not mine)
I say that
5 gallons is 18 litres
18L /Hour>>>18L/h\60min=0.3L=300grams of water he is procesing in 1min
Acording to first calculation he produces 1334 in 3min and in 1min produces
444 LITRES of hho ,wich is a loooot from 3 inch tubes.I might be wrong,the man from the site might be wrong,so correct me if i'm wrong!!

Quote from adys15 on July 17th, 2012, 01:15 PM

Quote from Amsy on July 17th, 2012, 06:49 AM

Quote from adys15 on July 17th, 2012, 01:41 AM

Quote from Amsy on July 16th, 2012, 10:31 PM

Hy folks,

I want to give a short update.
Unfortunatelly the voltage suplly isn´t usable for a voltage of 24V. The device always turning automatically off when I try to use +12V and -12V. So I searching now in the moment for another supply to increase the voltage of the flyback transfo.

By the way, a fellow in an other forum posted a very good link. It is an report about a test of the early beginnings of electrostatic (3-phase generator wasn´t invited at this time). The testreport says that they (Adriaan Paets van Troostwijk and Johan Rudolph Deiman) was able to build HHO gas (explosion test) only with an HV electrical field. :exclamation:

http://ecaaser3.ecaa.ntu.edu.tw/weifang/eBook/electrolysis/The%20electrolysis%20of%20water.pdf

Amsy all psu power supllys have a short circuit protection,it's shuts down because of a short,maybe your transistor is burned out.I'v been able to produce a nice little stream of hho with a flyback,but not by resonance but with the mostefficient frequency for the flyback,the H and O are separated by a ''magnet'' voltage,1cm of sparkgap i think there was 2kv there,works even without the diode and chokes because is no step charging.Cheers!!

I agree to your test, but wasn´t able to replicate such HHO Output.
I used the flyback (15.734Hz) which is aligned to its frequency. (Best frequency for this setup). Also no charging chokes or something. ~14kV.

Do you used a real ground e.g of voltage supply on the spark gap? Or do you used a HV vs. neutral plate?
The "magnet" voltage is the attraction/pulling on the molecules because of the electrostatic force. Electrostatic force can also be higher than coloumb force.

First i used the negative of the flyback,or the negative plate/or water surface.Yes the voltage magnetpull the molecules but you need lots of hundreds of volts to achive brute force production.Whithout resonance and step charging you cannot make use of the ''capacitor''

Hi adys,

the negative of the secondary side? How do your inhibit electrolyses?
Maybe it is better using the ground of the primary side?

Stans memo and the test evaluation report says about 20 to 40kV of Voltage at the tubes. Don´t know if this is true. But it seems to me, that "resonance" is -like in the memo reported- a process state of high ionisation. IMHO the right frequency is needed for the transfo working best.
I will check out a better transfo with 50kV and a voltage supply.

Thank you!
 

Quote from Amsy on July 18th, 2012, 01:05 AM

Quote from adys15 on July 17th, 2012, 01:15 PM

Quote from Amsy on July 17th, 2012, 06:49 AM

Quote from adys15 on July 17th, 2012, 01:41 AM

Quote from Amsy on July 16th, 2012, 10:31 PM

Hy folks,

I want to give a short update.
Unfortunatelly the voltage suplly isn´t usable for a voltage of 24V. The device always turning automatically off when I try to use +12V and -12V. So I searching now in the moment for another supply to increase the voltage of the flyback transfo.

By the way, a fellow in an other forum posted a very good link. It is an report about a test of the early beginnings of electrostatic (3-phase generator wasn´t invited at this time). The testreport says that they (Adriaan Paets van Troostwijk and Johan Rudolph Deiman) was able to build HHO gas (explosion test) only with an HV electrical field. :exclamation:

http://ecaaser3.ecaa.ntu.edu.tw/weifang/eBook/electrolysis/The%20electrolysis%20of%20water.pdf

Amsy all psu power supllys have a short circuit protection,it's shuts down because of a short,maybe your transistor is burned out.I'v been able to produce a nice little stream of hho with a flyback,but not by resonance but with the mostefficient frequency for the flyback,the H and O are separated by a ''magnet'' voltage,1cm of sparkgap i think there was 2kv there,works even without the diode and chokes because is no step charging.Cheers!!

I agree to your test, but wasn´t able to replicate such HHO Output.
I used the flyback (15.734Hz) which is aligned to its frequency. (Best frequency for this setup). Also no charging chokes or something. ~14kV.

Do you used a real ground e.g of voltage supply on the spark gap? Or do you used a HV vs. neutral plate?
The "magnet" voltage is the attraction/pulling on the molecules because of the electrostatic force. Electrostatic force can also be higher than coloumb force.

First i used the negative of the flyback,or the negative plate/or water surface.Yes the voltage magnetpull the molecules but you need lots of hundreds of volts to achive brute force production.Whithout resonance and step charging you cannot make use of the ''capacitor''

Hi adys,

the negative of the secondary side? How do your inhibit electrolyses?
Maybe it is better using the ground of the primary side?

Stans memo and the test evaluation report says about 20 to 40kV of Voltage at the tubes. Don´t know if this is true. But it seems to me, that "resonance" is -like in the memo reported- a process state of high ionisation. IMHO the right frequency is needed for the transfo working best.
I will check out a better transfo with 50kV and a voltage supply.

Thank you!

You mean electrons/amps.I told you I player with both methotds,with chokes and without the chokes,there is no much of a difference,but the chokes helps a little.As for the electrons/amps,I said before ,in a flyback there is not current,because the wire gauge of coils and the ratio,for example:if you have a step up transformer 1:10 ratioand pulse the primary with 24v and 4amps you multiply 4amps /10 and you get 2,4 amps in the secoudary,but my psu have 3amp power so i get 1 amp or less over the secoundary,and like i said it depends on the wire gauge of the secoundary.Here is a nice site  from that you learn more
http://www.wisc-online.com/objects/ViewObject.aspx?ID=ACE2002

About the confusion that everybody makes about ''the insulated ground'' that Stan talk about ,if you read carefully about the ferrite core ,he says that the core isolate the wfc capacitor and chokes from the  primary,it isolates because there is not an electrical conection and the voltage is pased trough the core(mutual induction)so there is nothing special about that insolated ground.Good luck!!