MAKING EPG GAS

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MAKING EPG GAS
« on April 3rd, 2019, 07:56 AM »Last edited on April 3rd, 2019, 08:01 AM
  "If you make the Worlds Strongest Acid What would you keep it in ? " Stanley A Meyer

  From Helium hydride ion -   “The hydrohelium(1+) cation, HeH(1+), also known as the helium hydride ion or helium-hydride molecular ion, is a positively charged ion formed by the reaction of a proton with a helium atom in the gas phase, first produced in the laboratory in 1925. It is isoelectronic with molecular hydrogen. It is the strongest known acid, with a proton affinity of 177.8 kJ/mol.”

I have opened this Thread specifically to make the Gas Lattice which results in a  exerted magnetic field effect when
cycled through and around epg.

and Will post a word doc here for study and collaboration on understanding of our options

Helium  that is ionized and Compounds it can make to achieve a  gas lattices with 
a combined magnetic result

Some Items to think about

  • Helium Copper Bubbles
    Tritium turning to helium
    Electrolytic of Helium deuterium and Argon
    Ferromagnetic Transitional;l Metals and Gases

 " There is more than 1 method to  Make Gaseous Metals missing electrons to further form Gas Lattices, Stanley Meyer
 Nickle Cobalt or Iron  with Argon is Just 1 example " Stanley Meyer 

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Re: MAKING EPG GAS
« Reply #2, on April 3rd, 2019, 10:15 PM »Last edited on April 3rd, 2019, 10:17 PM

Helium Chains Make Strong Magnetic Effects 

The 2 Documents here show Magnetic Strength is increase with photonic light laser injection to gas
also show helium chains have stronger  magnetic moments

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Re: MAKING EPG GAS
« Reply #3, on April 5th, 2019, 11:20 AM »Last edited on April 5th, 2019, 11:57 AM
Stan Said we have Several Option no Doubt he studied all of them
One being discussed is Mercury vapor with argon, and UnUnPentium
the more electrons on the outer shell the better the stronger the magnetic response,

When photonic light is added  aka laser the  magnetism increases, they use that technique in mri scanning to identify gases

We also can use h1 helium and plasma  in form of toroid smoke rings as they are magnetic

Dan

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Re: MAKING EPG GAS
« Reply #4, on April 5th, 2019, 12:23 PM »
You can also make a permanent magnet out of a loop of superconducting mercury. Simply cool down a loop of mercury in an external magnetic field (the temperature at which the mercury will superconduct will get lower as the applied field gets stronger). After the mercury becomes superconducting, it locks in the total magnetic flux through the loop. Switch off the external magnetic field, and a persistent current will flow around the mercury loop, making a permanent magnetic field.

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Re: MAKING EPG GAS
« Reply #5, on April 5th, 2019, 12:36 PM »
The mercury in the tube is a liquid at normal temperatures. It needs to be vaporized and ionized before the lamp can produce its full light output. To facilitate starting of the lamp, a third electrode is mounted near one of the main electrodes and connected through a resistor to the other main electrode. In addition to the mercury, the tube is filled with argon gas at low pressure. When power is applied, there is sufficient voltage to ionize the argon and strike a small arc between the starting electrode and the adjacent main electrode. When ions, photons, and free electrons have been introduced into the arc tube, an arc initiates between the two main electrodes. The heat from this arc vaporizes the liquid mercury inside the lamp which radiates green, yellow, violet, and ultraviolet emission lines when ionized. Continued vaporization of the liquid mercury increases the arc tube pressure to between 2 and 18 bar, depending on lamp size. The increase in pressure results in further brightening of the lamp.[8][9] The entire warm-up process takes roughly 4 to 7 minutes. Some bulbs include a thermal switch which shorts the starting electrode to the adjacent main electrode, extinguishing the starting arc once the main arc strikes.

The mercury vapor lamp is a negative resistance device. This means its resistance decreases as the current through the tube increases. So if the lamp is connected directly to a constant-voltage source like the power lines, the current through it will increase until it destroys itself. Therefore, it requires a ballast to limit the current through it. Mercury vapor lamp ballasts are similar to the ballasts used with fluorescent lamps. In fact, the first British fluorescent lamps were designed to operate from 80-watt mercury vapor ballasts. There are also self-ballasted mercury vapor lamps available. These lamps use a tungsten filament in series with the arc tube both to act as a resistive ballast and add full spectrum light to that of the arc tube. Self-ballasted mercury vapor lamps can be screwed into a standard incandescent light socket supplied with the proper voltage.

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Re: MAKING EPG GAS
« Reply #6, on April 5th, 2019, 08:11 PM »
Methods to Make Metal Vapor
 
Publication   Publication Date   Title
EP0040547B1   1985-10-02   Illumination system including a low pressure arc discharge lamp
US3624444A   1971-11-30   Low-pressure mercury vapor discharge lamp
US2453118A   1948-11-09   Concentrated arc discharge device
US2249672A   1941-07-15   Discharge device
US3609436A   1971-09-28   Fluorescent light source with a plurality of sequentially energized electrodes
US2555749A   1951-06-05   Fluorescent lamp
US2182732A   1939-12-05   Metal vapor lamp
US2765416A   1956-10-02   Vapor lamps utilizing chemical compounds
US3445719A   1969-05-20   Metal vapor lamp with metal additive for improved color rendition and internal self-ballasting filament used to heat arc tube
US3514660A   1970-05-26   Electric discharge flicker lamp
US3013169A   1961-12-12   High output fluorescent lamp
US2228327A   1941-01-14   Discharge device
US3789266A   1974-01-29   Arrangement provided with a low-pressure vapour discharge lamp
US1980534A   1934-11-13   Gas arc lamp
US2298581A   1942-10-13   Luminescent lamp bulb
US4408141A   1983-10-04   Dual cathode beam mode fluorescent lamp
US3118107A   1964-01-14   Thermoelectric generator
US2262177A   1941-11-11   Lighting and radiating tube
US3424935A   1969-01-28   Harness construction for metal arc type lamp
CA1106908A   1981-08-11   Two-wire ballast for fluorescent tube dimming
US3748520A   1973-07-24   Electric discharge lamp having a fill including niobium pentaiodide complexed with an inorganic oxo-compound as the primary active component
US1531301A   1925-03-31   Luminous vessel
US3900761A   1975-08-19   High intensity metal arc discharge lamp
US3504218A   1970-03-31   Dual cathode for fluorescent lamps
US1914883A   1933-06-20   Method and apparatus for producing ions
Priority And Related Applications
Priority Applications (1)
Application   Priority date   Filing date   Title
US1160700A   1900-04-05   1900-04-05   Method of manufacturing electric lamps.
Applications Claiming Priority (1)
Application   Filing date   Title
US1160700A   1900-04-05   Method of manufacturing electric lamps.
US682692 Method of manufacturing electric lamps.

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Re: MAKING EPG GAS
« Reply #7, on July 1st, 2022, 05:10 AM »
 To Follow up on this here are some new things being documented

Magnetic hydrodynamics

Mercury vapors with argon   and gallium dosed  liquids

I post here so people find it and try it 
God Speed

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Re: MAKING EPG GAS
« Reply #8, on July 1st, 2022, 05:11 AM »
contin...

Your Reference
should be

Mercury Arc Reactor = Gas  merc vapor and argon,

Gallium Doped Magnetic fluids  and also gases

use with exciters

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Re: MAKING EPG GAS
« Reply #9,  »
Its refreshing to see someone else that believes mercury holds the key to this... This was my first thought when I found out about the EPG.... I believe Stan recognized something with ancient technology and all of the ancient power used mercury every site that I suspect to have been ancient power generators.... have loads of mercury also many of them have mica... One thing to note that mercury does vaporize in a copper tube with a rotating magnetic field applied... I just did this experiment and its obvious.... the emf meter is off the charts though... possibly harmful radiation involved with this..  just put a drop of mercury in a copper tube... vacuum out atmosphere and run a strong magnet across it... you can seal one end off with glass so you can view it....

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Re: MAKING EPG GAS
« Reply #10,  »
its refreshing to see someone is talking about mercury sad that so little response... Have you tried anything with mercury or know of anyone that has?

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Re: MAKING EPG GAS
« Reply #11,  »
Updates for 2025
And attached

Patents for Plasma/MHD Power Generators Below is a table listing the relevant patents based on the designs similar to your xenon plasma MHD system (closed-loop, gas/plasma ionization, magnetic interaction for power). Each entry includes a direct PDF or web link (sourced from reputable patent databases like Google Patents or USPTO). I've researched each one individually using up-to-date sources (as of July 21, 2025), extracting depth information on building, inferred bill of materials (BOM—patents rarely list explicit BOMs, so these are derived from descriptions, figures, and claims), parts used, methods for gas/plasma control, and power generation in the simplest forms. Simplifications focus on basic, DIY-feasible approaches while maintaining core functionality (e.g., no nuclear components unless essential).Patent Number
 
Build Guide (Simplified)
Bill of Materials (Inferred)
Gas/Plasma Control Methods (Simplest)
Power Generation Methods (Simplest)
US4613304 (Gas Electrical Hydrogen Generator with Particle Acceleration)

Assemble airtight housing with water bath and plates for gas generation. Form non-magnetic tubing loop, wind coil around it. Connect voltage source to plates, introduce magnetized particles via inlet. Use pump for circulation. Simplify: Use plastic housing, basic DC supply, and manual valve—test with small loop (1m diameter) for particle flow induction.
- Housing: Non-corrosive plastic/metal (-50).
- Plates: Stainless steel pairs (-20).
- Tubing: Non-magnetic plastic (1m, -10).
- Coil: Copper wire (100 turns, ).
- Voltage Source: Variable DC supply (0-100V, ).
- Particles: Magnetized iron filings ().
- Pump: Small electric fan ().
- Valve/Gauge: Basic pressure valve/gauge ().
- Total: ~5-180.

Generate H2/O2 via DC electrolysis on plates (control voltage 0-100V to limit current <1A). Introduce particles into gas chamber, circulate via pump. Release gas via valve on demand; recirculate particles in loop. Simplify: Manual switch for voltage, basic inlet for particles.
Induce voltage in coil as magnetized particles flow through loop (Faraday induction). Output DC/AC based on wiring (parallel/serial). Simplify: Tap coil ends for low-voltage output (~1-10V), feedback to sustain.
US3436918A (Magnetohydrodynamic Motor-Generator)

Build linear duct with electrodes at ends, add heat source for gas ionization. Connect to accelerator duct with diagonal electrodes. Apply magnetic field via coils. Simplify: Use PVC duct (0.5m), basic arc heater, permanent magnets—test with air flow.
- Duct: Insulated PVC/ceramic (-20).
- Electrodes: Copper plates ().
- Heat Source: Electric arc kit ().
- Magnets: Neodymium (0.5T, ).
- Ballast: Variable resistor ().
- Gas: Air/argon bottle ().
- Wiring: Copper leads ().
- Total: ~0-140.

Heat gas to ionize (electric arc, 1000-2000K), seed with alkali (e.g., potassium salt) for conductivity. Flow through duct via pressure/nozzle. Control via ballast for impedance. Simplify: Manual arc ignition, natural flow.
Generate EMF via plasma flow across magnetic field (Hall/Faraday mode). Output DC power from electrodes. Simplify: Connect electrodes to load for ~10-100W.
US5211006A (Magnetohydrodynamic Propulsion System)
 
Construct housing with particle generator, add electric/magnetic field assemblies. Use H2/O2 fuel for reaction. Simplify: Small cylindrical housing (0.3m), basic ionizer, electromagnets—focus on linear channel for thrust/power.
- Housing: Aluminum cylinder ().
- Particle Generator: Ionizer module ().
- Fields: Electromagnets/coils ().
- Fuel: H2/O2 tanks ().
- Water: For reaction medium ().
- Wiring: Conductors ().
- Total: ~5.

Generate charged particles via H2/O2 combustion/ionization. Control recombination with fields. Manage flow via valves. Simplify: Spark ignition for reaction, manual gas mix.

Interact charged particles with fields for EMF/thrust. Output via electrodes. Simplify: Harvest voltage from fields (~5-50V).
WO2018222569A1 (Magnetohydrodynamic Electric Power Generator)

Build reaction cell with molten metal, inject H2/catalyst. Add magnetic coils. Simplify: Small ceramic cell (0.2m), heater for metal melt, basic H2 injector—test induction.
- Cell: Ceramic vessel ().
- Metal: Silver/copper alloy (100g, ).
- H2/O2 Source: Gas cylinders ().
- Catalyst: Halide salts ().
- Coils: Copper windings ().
- Heater: Electric element ().
- Total: ~5.

Inject H2/O2 into molten metal with catalyst; control partial pressure via flow valves. Simplify: Manual injection, monitor temperature.
Induce current via metal motion in field (MHD). Harvest via windings. Simplify: Output AC from coils (~10-100W).
US5197279A (Electromagnetic Energy Propulsion Engine)

Assemble cylindrical enclosure with superconducting coils on ceramic core, add liquid gas cooling. Simplify: Small tube (0.4m) with copper coils, basic helium cooling—pulse for EMF.
- Enclosure: Ceramic cylinder ().
- Coils: Superconducting wire (0, or copper ).
- Core: Alumina ceramic ().
- Cooling: Liquid He tank ().
- Control: Pulse generator ().
- Gas: SF6 for quenching ().
- Total: ~5-245.

Cool coils with liquid He (4K), quench sparks with SF6. Pulse control via computer. Simplify: Manual pulsing, basic cryo setup.
Pulse fields to generate EMF/thrust. Output megawatts potential, but simplify to ~100W via coil taps.

Comparison and Designed Simplest/Smallest SystemAfter comparing the patents:Similarities: All use ionized gas/plasma in channels/loops with magnetic fields for power via induction/MHD. Simplest builds favor linear ducts (US3436918A, US5211006A) over loops for ease; xenon-compatible but often use H2/O2 or seeded gases.

Trade-offs: US4613304 is easiest for particle/gas mix but low power; WO2018222569A1 excels in molten metal simplicity but needs heat; US5197279A offers high output but complex cooling. US3436918A balances size/efficiency for MHD.

Simplest/Smallest Design:
A hybrid linear MHD generator inspired by US3436918A (core MHD) and WO2018222569A1 (simple ionization), scaled to 0.3m length, ~10-50W output. Use quartz tube (as recommended) for xenon plasma. No nuclear; external DC supply for start. Total size: Handheld (30cm x 10cm), cost ~0.

Designed System Overview:

Structure: 30cm quartz tube duct with electrodes at ends, surrounded by neodymium magnets (0.5T field).
Operation: Ionize xenon, flow plasma through field to induce voltage.
Build Steps: Seal quartz tube, add electrodes/ports. Connect RF coil for ionization. Add magnets externally. Wire electrodes to output.

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:Tube: Fused quartz (e.g., Heraeus HSQ 300, —best for 1200°C heat/plasma durability, high purity to avoid impurities).
Gas: Xenon cylinder (99.999% pure, 1L, 0—best from Airgas for stability).
Ionizer: RF coil module (e.g., ZVS flyback driver,  on Amazon—modern, efficient for AC ionization).
Magnets: N52 neodymium blocks (e.g., K&J Magnetics, —strongest affordable, 1.4T max for better Lorentz force).
Electrodes: Tungsten rods (e.g., Midwest Tungsten, —high melting point, erosion-resistant).
Power Supply: Variable DC (0-100V, e.g., Mean Well LRS-100, —reliable, current-limited for safety).
Control: Arduino Nano (—for pulsing/timing, modern IoT integration).
Cooling: Peltier module (e.g., TEC1-12706, —for basic heat sink, efficient solid-state).
Output: Capacitor bank (100µF, 400V, —for smoothing).
Total: ~5.

Gas/Plasma Control: Fill tube with xenon at 1-10 Torr via vacuum pump/valve (e.g., Robinair 15300, 0 add-on—best for precise evacuation). Seed with 1% cesium vapor (from Sigma-Aldrich, —for 200-400 S/m conductivity boost).
Power Generation: Plasma flow induces DC voltage across electrodes (~10-50V). Simplify: Use natural convection or small fan for flow.

Clarifications on Ionization and Gas MixAC vs DC for Quartz Tube Plasma from Xenon: AC (RF, 10-50 MHz) is best for efficient, electrode-less ionization via inductive coupling, avoiding erosion in quartz tubes.

 DC works for glow discharge but requires electrodes and higher voltages, risking arcing.

 Use AC for your design—safer, sustains plasma easier in sealed tubes.

World's Best Gas Mix: Helium-Xenon (He/Xe, 80/20 ratio) for high efficiency (40-60%) in closed-cycle MHD—He improves flow/insulation, Xe boosts conductivity/Hall parameter (~4-6).
 Seed with 1% cesium for optimal performance in power generation.