The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017

~Russ

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
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Stefan, thats not cool. I hope you feel better and heal fast.

Right now im looking over this again. See attachments.

Will make a schematic etc with more data soon. Thses were last min spur of the moment testing.

~Russ
Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
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I was just testing some ideas and here was the outcome.

Before i added the magnet , I wanted to just see how puling the coil reacted.

As Posted Before, i was able to get a some what decent current in the shorted large wire coil.
because i wanted to try to combine these or "connect the output to the input in the correct phase" i tried adding diodes and FWB and spark gaps just to try out some things. the results are quite interesting.

under the right input pulses, I could get a higher output pulse ( voltage) i could not musure current with my current probes because of the big impulses. however i did add a shunt resistor. The bad thing is i have to use a large value resistor in order to see the current with my HV isolated probes... so that's not helpful. however the current is not a large spike, so this method was not successful for the result i was looking for. however it was interesting.

Here are some photos of the Batt voltage ( yellow trace) . you can see the batt going up past the average. and the over all curve has more area under the curve the voltage coming back than sent out. normally the batt has to recover, it dose not " bounce" backup. so that's interesting.

The ringing of the coils SRF is where that voltage is coming from, you can see that the purple trace is measuring that voltage and it flat lines once it reaches the  Batt voltage. once its lower than batt voltage there is no more excess batt voltage... i cant seem to get the FWBR to catch both peeks of that ring... ( in the full color scope shot, green is input current, blue is the " output" current, yellow is batt voltage, and purple the voltage mesured from ground of the batt and the lead connected to the large wire coil, there it connects to the FWB.

Whats really throwing me off is the fact that there is a full batt voltage on the purple trace as soon as the switch is closed... capacitance i guess? its not induction. there would be a curve i think?

id like to make a video on this... guess ill need to

~Russ

haxar


Piero

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
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Quote from ~Russ on May 7th, 2018, 11:01 AM
Whats really throwing me off is the fact that there is a full batt voltage on the purple trace as soon as the switch is closed... capacitance i guess? its not induction. there would be a curve i think?
It's  like  if  you   open   the   alim valve  of  water  circuit in  a   spiral  tube  ))) ?

Matt Watts

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Quote from haxar on May 10th, 2018, 03:39 AM
"Any piece of wire of any length is an inductor."

That causes ringing.

In Newman, that's desired.
Any two conductors in proximity to each other (assuming a dielectric medium exists between them) creates capacitance.

For Thane Heins, that's desired.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5osYN5f35Bc

And when you have capacitance in shunt with the inductors, you have a transmission line which imposes a delay, making this possible:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjv7RGMYmcs

Piero

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
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 Can  you test  with  the  big coil   shorted  on   the  spark  ?

~Russ

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Good find Matt.

After some thinking and studding, I have a hunch that there is a diode in this coil, Charge it like a cap with open ends, discharge it through the coil like a shorted cap...

Dielectric charge, Cap dump in to magnetism. energy exchange, PM>Dielectric>magnetic.

Don't let the source see the load. seems to be a 3 step process every where i look.

Playing with my big coil, using a diode I get some strange results... more to test..

https://www.slideshare.net/ThaneCHeins/thane-heins-manning-nomination
Page 32, letter 11.

also helps the understanding.

member this is just like Jim's 1/4 wave effect. (similar)

first 1/4 charge the coil's capacitance, next 1/4 cycle discharge it through the load WHILE pushing the rotor. Repeat in next 1/2 cycle.

~Russ
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ah, by the way. i don't know how else unless we used a diode ( when the current reverses at top dead center) that the coils XC can change if the F dose not.... i would just use a diode....

we could use saturation of a core, or something else but if we have a core. we just add losses in the system. + Newman was cordless. ( yeah yeah the magnet but in my testing that dose not change much)

any other ideas are welcome.

Magnetic diode any one?

~Russ 
Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
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something to note. I have encountered a lot of drag IF the coils have to much internal resistance. AKA to much XC

so there is a thing as to much. ( over frequency) It would seem. resistance is resistance... wither it be in REAL resistance, or XL or CL. the SRF might be the optimum spot to Charge a coil like a cap... ( because we still want a high "capacity" coil)

~Russ

Matt Watts

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
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Quote from ~Russ on May 11th, 2018, 12:15 PM
any other ideas are welcome.
Diode not required.  Add capacity, permittivity.  Remember where the dielectric field lives?

When the current swaps direction, nature will do the rest, since this capacity is already connected to the coil.

~Russ

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
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Quote from Matt Watts on May 11th, 2018, 01:07 PM
Diode not required.  Add capacity, permittivity.  Remember where the dielectric field lives?

When the current swaps direction, nature will do the rest, since this capacity is already connected to the coil.
Please do explain more...

apparently i cant see what your saying in my mined...

Thanks, ~Russ


Matt Watts

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
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You need the capacitance between the coils this way:


Instead of the way you have with capacitors between the turns.  You don't have any common neutral rail.  If you did you would find when the current swaps direction, all those little capacitors now work in parallel and dump to their neighboring coil, producing a powerful magnetic field.  This is what Thane Heins is doing with his "special" Regen-X coils.

What you must figure out is how to add this common neutral rail without it cancelling the magnetic field of the coils.  It's not hard, but will take some thought.  I even showed Magneton how to do it.  Think asymmetrical.


~Russ

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
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Quote from Piero on May 10th, 2018, 01:03 PM
Can  you test  with  the  big coil   shorted  on   the  spark  ?
give me a circuit diagram, ill try what you want.

Thanks! ~Russ

marc

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
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Use your original Newman commutator.  Then I would isolate the secondary windings and run a adjustable spark gap with dissimilar metals.

d3x0r

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
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re https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKlfHk7l8bg&t=0s (charing coils...)

in a common bifilar, wound with, say speaker wire, if you charge a large coiled capacitor (length of wire) the current flows in on one side and out on the other; so the resulting magnetic field is 0 because they immediately couple each other... to get it to be a composited magentic field it would have to be wound like a compressed caduceus coil; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iopTlbKMaRE (1:23+ kinda)  but that does have bad capacitive coupling...  I dunno maybe it's not that bad; not sure how you would wind a second layer;

But; it IS interesting that the capacitance on that coil does result in a magnetic field when discharged; though the capacitance is mostly in the mass of copper; not so much in the thin in the wall between sets of windings... I dunno though; is that just a super thick plate capacitor with a thin gap?   but I think that that gives you a magnetic field that would evoke motion rather than if the coils were bifilar; because n+s=0.. so it would also be that discharging with the magnet in a certain position will always cause it to continue in motion; I noticed many times in the video that when you discharged the resulting kick was opposite to the original direction; but not always





~Russ

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
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Quote from d3x0r on May 16th, 2018, 09:41 PM
re https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKlfHk7l8bg&t=0s (charing coils...)

in a common bifilar, wound with, say speaker wire, if you charge a large coiled capacitor (length of wire) the current flows in on one side and out on the other; so the resulting magnetic field is 0 because they immediately couple each other... to get it to be a composited magentic field it would have to be wound like a compressed caduceus coil; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iopTlbKMaRE (1:23+ kinda)  but that does have bad capacitive coupling...  I dunno maybe it's not that bad; not sure how you would wind a second layer;

But; it IS interesting that the capacitance on that coil does result in a magnetic field when discharged; though the capacitance is mostly in the mass of copper; not so much in the thin in the wall between sets of windings... I dunno though; is that just a super thick plate capacitor with a thin gap?   but I think that that gives you a magnetic field that would evoke motion rather than if the coils were bifilar; because n+s=0.. so it would also be that discharging with the magnet in a certain position will always cause it to continue in motion; I noticed many times in the video that when you discharged the resulting kick was opposite to the original direction; but not always
http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=3128.msg49555#msg49555

Capacitive reacatance...

I left out alot of info in that video so people would think. I See you thinking. That's good.

Just rember. Xc = phase shift...current leading voltage...

If the current is leading voltage. Then the magentic component happens before the EMF even gets there...
That throws quite a curve ball innto the way things work...

Delay line... it still directly applies here...

Keep thinking. Good stuff!

~Russ

Apoc4lypse

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
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Wow, I love the concept of using coil capacitance that way and then shorting it to produce the field in a way that helps the magnet keep moving while also discharging into a load, great stuff, helped explain a lot more about how a coil behaves as a capacitor for me...

Matt Watts

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Quote from ~Russ on May 16th, 2018, 10:42 PM
I left out alot of info in that video so people would think. I See you thinking. That's good.
So now you see it's possible for a rotating permanent magnet to charge a coil/cap with virtually no mechanical resistance.  Good deal.

Next question...

How does that happen?  How does a magnetic field end up as a dielectric field?  A conversion took place right?  What is that mechanism?

I'll stress a hint here.  Look at a segment of wire when you push a current through it and understand how the magnetic field around it forms.  Now do the hard part and reverse this process.  Imagine a magnetic field moving by a segment of wire and creating a swirling magnetic field around it.  This swirling field wants to produce a current in the wire, but it has no place to go, or does it?  Yes it does.  It finds an uncharged dielectric to charge up so it can have current flow.  Yeap, that's right.  The wire wants current flow and it will get current flow if at all possible.  Any nearby dielectric will be charged just like a capacitor; charged to fullest potential the wire is able to give.

Now the really interesting part...

Imagine all those little segments of wire I just mentioned acting together as a system, as a transmission line.
Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
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So let's think some more for a minute...

If a magnetic field is swirling around a piece of wire, current happens instantaneously.  What doesn't happen nearly so quick is the charging or discharging of a dielectric field.  In other words, any delay occurs as a direct consequence of the change or movement of a dielectric field.

In a typical coil you have billions of little capacitors and they do not charge and discharge immediately.  What you measure at the ends of this coil has nothing to do with the magnetic field that is exposed to this coil.  Instead, the measurement you make at the ends is the final result of all the charging and discharging of these billions of little capacitors.

Complicated enough so far?

Now add a magnetic core to the inside of this coil.  Ah hah!  Now the magnetic field behaves quite different.  It no longer is instantaneous (due to the ferrous core) AND it completely changes how the magnetic field "swirls" around the conductive wire.

Anyone see why we get stuck trying to figure this all out?

Over simplification.

To get what we want, we have to see things how they really are and how they really work.

A few picofarads here, a few more picofarads there and pretty soon you can't see the forest for the trees OR the trees in the forest.  And you can't write-off all of this as "stray capacitance".  It's real capacitance and it has a real effect on what your instruments are showing you.  You have to be smarter than the oscilloscope to decipher the system you are probing.

Mr. Tesla used the word "capacity" and with good reason, because capacitance as we think of it and the arrangement of this capacitance is what determines a coil's behavior.  The insulation in a coil and where it is placed is just as important as the wire used to wrap the coil.

d3x0r

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~Russ
you have a good length of wire/inductance in your ABHA/rodin toroidal coil?
And that is close-wound/capacitive coupling; I guess detecting a magnetic field result would be tougher; but maybe you can use your massive coil as a pickup; if charged capacitively, then discharged a spike could... well maybe the length/resistance would dampen that signal too much... not to mention it would be .. well..
Actually... none of that matters; just reverse the ends of the windings huh?

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(instead of + and - at the same ends of the windings; and t he current in both 'plates' is in the same direction...

So then what you get inductive reactance + capacitive reactance ; one way should charge faster than the other (feeding it current).

So you could charge from one end, and discharge the other and the magnetic field could remain

so... if you have both coils open, and only one end attached, it shouldn't be an impedance?  Can you just put a load between those two windings (tapped one from one end and the other from the other?)

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Also field strength and inductance don't exactly relate...
if you run the same number of turns, diameter, etc, with a single wire, and then wind the same coil with many more conductors in parallel, the inductance will be divided by the number of conductors, but you get more current through the same geometry.  (an argument for litz vs a thick single filament)

haxar


~Russ


d3x0r

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
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sorry bout yer coil :(
Looks almost like a VGate magnet motor that way :)  *shrug*

~Russ

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Well, more testing continues, smaller magnets, and a random spool of wire...

For this test i uesd 6- 1"x1"x.5" magnets.

20filar... 85lb worth. Pvc coated.

Intresting results,

For every wire i add in series, i get 1/2 the SRF...with all 20 i calculated it to be below 1Hz

Its hard to mesure that low F

Ill have to make a video about this, quite interesting,.

Also verry intresting to see the cap charge with verry little drag considering.  But i got nothing to compare ot to so its hard to say at the moment if its useful...seems it sure is.

1000uf cap can charge to 150v with out much effort. Has to be some what high rpm to get to 150v but spinning it by hand with the belt...

Charging to 50v takes a few turns.
More to do.

~Russ