Bifilar pancake tesla coils, pulsed at their resonant frequency
Poll

Can we use a bifilar pancake coil to produce overunity?

no way
maybe
yes through the magnetic field
yes through the dielectric field
yes by combining the the magnetic and dielectric fields
i really dont know but its interesting

evostars

Bifilar pancake tesla coils, pulsed at their resonant frequency
« on May 4th, 2017, 03:34 PM »Last edited on May 6th, 2017, 01:38 AM
Free energy! DUH.
hahaha

It started last summer. I saw a utube of ken wheeler/theoria apophasis on magnetism.
It ringed something deep in me. I always wondered about the magnetic field. And he seemed to have a interesting vision on it.

I went a bit crazy, and started looking at his video's and rediscoverd Eric p Dollard and his works. started reading his stuff.
Then some more, of the classics. Lord Kelvin, Tompson, steinmetz. I started to see the picture.
Magnetic fields and dielectric fields are closely related.

After a while I had good concepts. And then there was patent 512340.
The Bifilar coil. Boy. the statements in there triggered me again.
added capacitance. A coil that is sort of a capacitor at the same time.
So I build 2 coils, and then another one. On cd sleeves.

The first time I saw the resonant frequency  voltage rise my jaw dropped. What was that? Why? How?
I wanted to know more, and started experimenting. And I wrote it all down. 260 pages, so far, with ideas and pictures.

I tried talking about it, but most people around me didn't understand, or got emotional(mad), because of the unconventional things I saw. So I stopped sharing. Only shared some stuff with women i knew, somehow they understood intuitively.

half way march 2017 I decided I wanted to share. So I made the video's (see other post) and posted it on 2 forums. Again, a lot of negative reactions. but It led me here. :)

Nelson Rocha has inspired me to push on, and to see it is possible.
 :myoda: may the force be with me



Re: What I'm working on.
« Reply #1, on May 4th, 2017, 03:48 PM »
Until now, I have pulsed the bifilar coil into resonance. With a IGBT.  The voltage rise was huge (450V sine point to point). at the same time, there always was a magnetic field, at least my compass showed a north and a south.

Last week I did it differently.  I made a transformer. based around a ferrite rod (radio freqeuncy). the the primary and secondary wound bifilar around it. First the secondary, then the primary.

The voltage rise is still there. But now... without the magnetic field.
The magnetic field is the loss of dielectricity said Ken Wheeler. I agree. And so to produce energy, we have to unite the magnetic polarities back into the unison of the dielectric field potential.

So this (apperent) absense of the magnetic field is a good think I think. Now I will have to see If i can charge some caps. and explore more of this setup.
instant 750Vdc
« Reply #2, on May 5th, 2017, 07:48 AM »Last edited on May 5th, 2017, 10:04 AM
I measured the inductance's of the transformer and the bifilar coil, they where almost the same, around 0,5 mH

I placed 3 bifilar pancake coils on top of each other (stacked pancakes), and hooked the center coil up to the pulse transformer.
The outside coils, top and bottom, I connected together. the 4 leads. In such way, that 2 leads together where connected to ground, and the other 2 leads gave the resonant voltage rise, but out of phase. (top and bottom coil are tuned to the same resonant frequency. (picture needed)

When pulsed, there was no magnetic field (that i normally do observe with a compass, when pulsing without the pulse transformer).

I then hooked up one lead to a Y diodes (2x uf4007, one lead connected forming a Y) and then two capacitors.
The other lead (with the out of phase signal) then connected to the center of the capacitors. I used 6 caps(6.3uF) in series, giving a low capacitance. the caps where instantly charged to around 740V dc.

I will redo the test, with higher capacitance. (with only 2 caps of 6.3uf in series).

And look how the coils are connected to be out of phase

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Re: What I'm working on.
« Reply #3, on May 5th, 2017, 09:28 AM »
top and bottom coil connection: top outer rim to bottom center, to earth. other leads to capacitor.

Redid test with only 2 caps (6.3uF total 3,13uF). voltage in caps 760Vdc. the rise was slower, around 1,5 seconds until full.

Pulsed with 12Vdc igbt. via transformer (bifilar coils primary and secondary on radio ferrite rod).

out of phase signals add up  These are resonant frequency standing waves.
Re: What I'm working on.
« Reply #4, on May 5th, 2017, 09:30 AM »
I always assumed I had to have the signals in phase to add them up. but with standing waves, they have to be out of phase.
Re: What I'm working on.
« Reply #5, on May 5th, 2017, 09:40 AM »
A reply from Nelson Rocha, when I shared my duplication of the absent magnetic field:
About your test i'm glad that you could duplicate yourself the " apparently "magnetic field exclusion with your new configuration ;) nice ! Hope you explore this theme and see if that  are only made by high frequency , or something more happen ;)  like stack other pancake coil and look to that like one capacitor exchanging charges between each plate  (two pancake coils )

dont know what he means, looks like in his setup he has 4 bifilar coils. the outsides being pulsed, and the inside coils resonating.
The blue inside coil, has a white spacing between it, which I assume is a dielectric, like in a capacitor. the two inner blue coils, forming the plates.
Re: What I'm working on.
« Reply #7, on May 5th, 2017, 10:12 AM »
I would love to have higher voltage pulses. the pulse transformer, will need less windings on the primary. When pulsed with the IGBT, this leads to the IGBT getting hot.

Another way to get the pulses, is to use a joule thief, with a bifilar coil. joule thief, pulses a darlington transistor open and close. this darlington is then hooked up from the collector, to the pulse transformer primary, and the voltage supply positive.
The pulse transformer, is then pulsed, when the collector flows to emitter to ground. In a joule thief circuit, this happens really fast(40khz). But relatively low compared to the resonant frequency of the coils (550khz).

I need to develop this, So I have a pulse thats high voltage.

the resonant frequency of the bifilar coils can then be tuned down, to match the joule thief frequency, by adding capacitance to the coils
Re: What I'm working on.
« Reply #8, on May 5th, 2017, 10:23 AM »
So... next setup should be 4 bifilar coils. the outer ones pulsed by the igbt.
The inner 2 tuned, to resonate at the same frequency. And slightly distanced so there is a gap in the middle of the 4 coils. the gap could be made with a dielectric piece of plastic.

Than pulse the inner coils into resonance. and see what voltage is produced, and how quick.
Re: What I'm working on.
« Reply #9, on May 5th, 2017, 11:22 AM »
Did a 4 coil setup. center coils tuned. Same results. 730 vdc with slight spacing.
connected the outer coils in parallel to the pulse transformer, giving a lower impedance of 0,38mH. The IGBT got less hot.

Will try again, with a larger spacing. and... will tune the outside coils also, to the res frequency of the inside coils, by adding parallel capacitance (variable capacitor).
Re: What I'm working on.
« Reply #10, on May 5th, 2017, 11:27 AM »
The Idea is, that the resonant coils produce standing waves. indicating a strong ether flow, just like water moving fast producing standing waves.
the flow moves through the center holes of the coils, and then outwards around them.

I could also try a repulsion mode where the flow is in and out of the center gap. and through the coil holes out. top and bottom.
It would be logic to reverse one of the outside coil polarities
Re: What I'm working on.
« Reply #11, on May 5th, 2017, 11:30 AM »
On another note, to get energy flowing, I would need a load, that drags/consumes the energy out of the system.
Now the load is a capacitor, but once its full, the load is gone
Re: What I'm working on.
« Reply #12, on May 5th, 2017, 11:44 AM »Last edited on May 5th, 2017, 11:46 AM
OK, center 2 coils should NOT be connected, to make them capacitor plates. the space between them, needs to be bridged by high voltage. A dielectric would also help.

Still the spacing is needed, to be able to let the vortex flows suck in the energy from the side.
Just like 2 magnets in attraction, but slightly spaced. there forms a new blochwall. The strongest is, when the magnets are in repulsion


Diadon

Re: Bifilar pancake tesla coils, pulsed at their resonant frequency
« Reply #13, on May 6th, 2017, 08:12 AM »
Try it out and give it a test. If you can make a video on it I would most certainly watch it.

evostars

Re: Bifilar pancake tesla coils, pulsed at their resonant frequency
« Reply #14, on May 6th, 2017, 08:36 AM »
I will,  but first i need a high voltage high frequency pulse. (I'm building it)
Re: Bifilar pancake tesla coils, pulsed at their resonant frequency
« Reply #15, on May 10th, 2017, 10:16 AM »
almost there. wound a toroid spikes seem to almost occur. but then it collapses again.
maybe it needs a load on the charger output...
Re: Bifilar pancake tesla coils, pulsed at their resonant frequency
« Reply #16, on May 18th, 2017, 05:53 AM »
Nelson Rocha showing another inspiring video

https://youtu.be/8ytg_B9Vs60
what about this?
« Reply #17, on June 18th, 2017, 03:18 PM »
i came across this picture.
what if we pulse it with a square wave, at the resonant frequency of the coil. the ferrite core adds to the inductance, to lower the resonant frequency.

seems the back emf feeds the capacitors.

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Matt Watts

Re: Bifilar pancake tesla coils, pulsed at their resonant frequency
« Reply #18, on June 18th, 2017, 07:36 PM »Last edited on June 18th, 2017, 07:51 PM
Quote from evostars on May 18th, 2017, 05:53 AM
Nelson Rocha showing another inspiring video
I'll tell you a little secret about the bifilar (side-by-side) pancake coil that I recently discovered and it matches perfectly with what Nelson is demonstrating.  The exciter coil does not appear to resonate at all--it simply passes the exact same signal is gets from the source.

Now having said that, the pickup or collector coil does resonate and you have to match the input signal to it.

Third piece of information I discovered is the signal passing through the first pickup or collector coil changes it waveform to match that coil, so any additional pickup or collector coils you add, must resonate at the first pickup coil's SRF.

There is a really strange phenomena that takes place between the exciter coil and the first pickup/collector coil.  The waveform becomes a combination of the signal input and the resonating coil.  This combination works as follows:

When the signal is high, in between the coils you see the signal undistorted.  When the signal is low or off, what you see in between is the waveform of the pickup/collector coil.  Very strange and I'm still working to get my head wrapped around how/why this is happening.  My feeling is it has to do with dielectric polarization.

I still plan to do a video demonstration of this, so you can see it in action.  It's pretty darn cool.


What is apparent to me at this point is that a PLL with a feedback mechanism would probably be a good choice for controlling the input signal frequency.  Doing so would allow the output coil to run at whatever frequency it wants to, regardless of load, added capacitors, etc.

evostars

Re: Bifilar pancake tesla coils, pulsed at their resonant frequency
« Reply #19, on June 19th, 2017, 01:10 AM »
Yes thats correct I've also seen the pulsed coil just shows pulses. no resonance sine wave.
It would be tempting to think that the pulsed coil also should be a sine. but that is false. it doesnt work.
the pulsed coil also doesn't need to be tuned. But I do think its best to pulse it below its resonant frequency, else it start ringing (fading sine) after the pulse.

I strongly feel nelson uses Back Emf. but also Back mmf. Steinmetz called this magneto motive force.

Im not completely shure about this. but it has to do with the dielectric field. to build up it consumes current(mmf magneto motive force). when it collapses (discharge of capacitor) it creates a back mmf.

that would imply on the other side the resonant center coil would be pulsed via a discharging capacitor?

and the resonant center coil would be combining both b emf and b mmf ...

I totally agree the resonant coil must be tuned to the b emf and  back mmf

magnetic field induces voltage(b emf) when it collapaes
dielectric field induces current (b mmf) when it collapses.

To let them be synced we need the same source of pulse. It moght be a auto tuned circuit with a sort of antenna, that tunes into the resonant frequency field.
Re: Bifilar pancake tesla coils, pulsed at their resonant frequency
« Reply #20, on June 19th, 2017, 01:31 AM »
matt whats pll and srf?
Re: Bifilar pancake tesla coils, pulsed at their resonant frequency
« Reply #21, on June 19th, 2017, 01:44 AM »
I wonder.
what if
signal creates bemf.
bemf creates resonant voltage rise.
but than again the resonant voltage rise induces a mmf in the next coil....

1 coil pulsed with magnetic current creates b emf
bemf induces resonant voltage in the second coil
second coil (bifilar distanced coil) induces bmmf in third coil.

now we make use of the resonant voltage rise, and transform it back to current.


the second coil makes a resonant  sine wave.
but its bifilar windings are split. distanced...
would it be enough to pulse one side? No! for the resonant voltage to appear both sides need to be pulsed... there must be a back  mmf from a collapsing dielectric field on the other side.

so its both sides into the middle resonant coil
Re: Bifilar pancake tesla coils, pulsed at their resonant frequency
« Reply #22, on June 19th, 2017, 01:46 AM »
ah man. this needs experimenting. to much mental garbage going on. If we see it it will all make sense

alloytam

Re: Bifilar pancake tesla coils, pulsed at their resonant frequency
« Reply #23, on June 19th, 2017, 08:20 AM »
just saw this post
i know this gonna bad day for you...
i knew many negative comment out there
just keep trying and sharing,
.that is ok,
those great inventor and "mad scientist" ha gone through that before too
(before they were successful in research"

by the way;
ever try put some magnet in between?
cause i always believed we need so additional "stuff".

Matt Watts

Re: Bifilar pancake tesla coils, pulsed at their resonant frequency
« Reply #24, on June 19th, 2017, 12:17 PM »
Quote from evostars on June 19th, 2017, 01:31 AM
matt whats pll and srf?
Phase Lock Loop --  A chip that is designed to synchronize its own internal oscillator with an external frequency source.

Self Resonant Frequency  --  A device that has both self inductance and capacity forming a tank LC circuit.  For all practical purposes, everything fits this category and as such it has a natural oscillation/vibration frequency.  What is very interesting to me is the side-by-side bifilar pancake coil when driven by a signal source appears to disobey this general rule.  It's that special case Mr. Tesla was looking for where self inductance is nullified by its own capacity.  This special case allows one to drive it at most any frequency of oscillation without having to compromise due to its SRF.  Again, I think this is why Nelson chose this coil design because it is perfect for this application.
Quote from evostars on June 19th, 2017, 01:46 AM
ah man. this needs experimenting. to much mental garbage going on. If we see it it will all make sense
Yes, doing the experiments will help you see it for sure.  You just have to know what it is you want to see and devise a means to see it.  Then you'll know what's there and what is not.
Quote from alloytam on June 19th, 2017, 08:20 AM
just saw this post
i know this gonna bad day for you...
i knew many negative comment out there
just keep trying and sharing,
.that is ok,
those great inventor and "mad scientist" ha gone through that before too
(before they were successful in research"
Correct.  Keep your focus and belief that more exists than you have been told.  Eventually you will find it and be a bit shocked as to why no one ever told you about it before.  But once you've seen it and know it exists, everything changes.  Your mind will go through a complete re-organization and throw out lots of stuff that once seemed important and keep the things that you now find truly are important.  Be ready for that because it will make your head hurt for a short while.