Good morning everyone.

First of all I want to apologize if I write anything wrongly as English is not my mother language.

I am an Industrial engineer from Spain and my company asked me to understand and build a prototype of Stan Meyer’s WFC. I checked that there is such a huge information resource at this website. I read about people saying that Meyer’s theory is a nonsense and he didn’t have enough technologic knowledge to make that kind of design as he just spoke about pseudo-science.

I saw many people building some Stan Meyer’s replicas (as J Naudin made at his website, trying to prove that “Voltrolisis” is possible). However, I wonder if all the information is already here and many people design some replicas, why isn’t any device with this technology at the market? What are people trying to explain that doesn’t appear at Stan Meyer’s documents?

I could see at J Naudin web that this way to produce HHO gas is possible, but I doubt that the performance of that device could be higher that Faraday’s law. Is it really possible to get a higher energy density from the water molecule with some laser technology?

I would be really sorry if what I wrote was a bit crazy. I am trying to understand and read information about this technology as much as I can, but it do not even know how to keep going studying it, as people say that its book is just a nonsense.

Could you show me the way to understand this technology better and help the forum to get some new ideas?

Thank you for your help, and I will try to help this forum as I can.

Greetings

PD: I read “Meyer's WFC - the real science behind it?” and it is quite interesting what he said.

Welcome, it's always interesting to see if there's any new input to be had regarding Meyer's WFC :thumbsup:

welcome!


How far are you willing to go down the rabbit hole?

simple put ;We don't have the answer!

However you can follow the research so far and improve upon it.

here are some links...

http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2119.0

http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2425.0

http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2126.0

Good morning everyone,

Firstly, I want to appreciate your replies. I guessed from the website that we cannot build any replica reading Stan Meyer’s documents as he didn’t have the enough knowledge to even understand what he got. I think he discovered a new way to dissociation the water molecule (as there are already some other ways to do it). However, I really doubt about the high performance of his device. So, are you trying to discover how he built the WFC by reverse engineering?

Anyway, I think everything is more complex than what I said.

I will keep going with my investigation.

Thanks again for your kind help

the big names in Hydrogen = stephen Horvath , herman Anderson , Stan Meyer , Andreja Puharich . All 4 had vehicles that ran on water to Hydrogen gas .

Horvath still has his car , Andersons car is at a university of some sort , stans car = ? , Puharich vehicle = ?

Vehicles that ran on H from electrolysis =
 
UCLA   1972 Gremlin 351 v8 ,was sold on ebay a few years back
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/05/27/ebay-find-of-the-day-hydrogen-powered-1972-amc-gremlin-by-georg/

Roger Billings 1976 president parade
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Roger_E._Billings

Yull Brown , Australia , Archie Blue NZ , .......
http://knol.go-here.nl/water-fueled-car.html

**this has just been
 http://www.h2euro.org/2015/hypothesis-xi-6-9-september-2015-toledo-spain

there are people all over the world looking for answers

@Tr1v
What is your technological background::
Chemestry, electronics, machines, ...?

My view on stans work:
1. probably based on puharichs' work ( if stan developed it independently from pucharich then that would have to be one hell of a coincidence....possible but not likely). I think its more likely he has progressed Pucharichs' work using more appropriate circuitry ( Puharich was copying audio based electronics, stans electronics are much more advanced).
2. his electronics have been reverse engineered in recent past, there is a great deal of complexity in his electronic circuits, and they work as outlined in his patents and other media releases.
A good deal of electronics knowledge is required to understand the circuits, they are not simple circuits, and are designed for specific purposes.
All the engineering appears to be very sound and shows a high degree of skill and knowledge of many aspects of engineering design/theory and application ( wfc, water heater and epg).
3. areas of concern:
a. lack of published data on efficiency of wfc and water heater, there appears to be no detailed studies outlining rigorous testing of efficiencies. Stan has given some numbers but no evidence on how these numbers were derived.
b. no evidence the water sparkplug was ever used to run a car. Seen as the final stage in wfc development but no evidence to support it was ever completed to a working level ( cf wfc tubes which were used to run a car)
c. Some discrepencies in current theories on how water splitting occurs ( voltage driven) compared to stans theories i.e. he may have worked out a method to achieve splitting using static type voltages but his theory on how it operated is probably not correct.
d. His recorded lectures on wfc operation, were the same information repeated over a period of many years. There appears to be no development of how he presented the wfc operation in technical terms. Same verbiage used over a very long period.

I suspect the technology is very much worth pursuing. But it is not a mature technology, its very much a developmental technology, and obviously attracts inventive minds. The technology does not appear to attract institutional research.
Ideally you would want to enter into the technology at its most advanced level ( water injector technology), but since matching the electronics to the water injector seems to be where the most advanced persons are working at present.
It would be possible to start at that point, without assistance it would require probably hundreds of hours of internet research to be able to begin at that point. Unless you had assistance from experienced person(s).
Most people start  with wfc tubes and replications of stans circuitry in order to gain a good understanding of the system. That would allow measurements of efficiencies to be obtained and if promising then move onto the water injector area.
If wanting to produce system for commercial production in short time period, you would need to jump straight into water injector and its electronics, would require some very clever/talented people to achieve success, particularly with the unfortunate position of stan never demonstrating that he had the injector technology working.

Tr1v most of the commenters on this forum are pseudoscience hacks....

i highly doubt you will be able to replicate meyers work, it is not something that can be replicated, the art must be understood and engineered from the bottom up.... here is my youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/user/hunterhauswirth1234   i am using a slayer exciter circuit

as an industrial engineer you are  underequipped to be doing this kind of work.... this work requires an extreme understanding of nuclear physics, ionics, power engineering, photonics, radar physics, particle physics, nonlinear optics the list goes on.....

stan dumbed his patents down to an extremely stupid level....\

i highly doubt puharich's spark plugs even worked....

this tech isent related to puharich at all

people talk about efficiency etc.... all of that is unrelated..... what you need to do is to figure out how a time varying electric/magnet field interacts with a volume of water

brettly says his electronics have been reverse engineered, if this were truue where is the prduct? there is none, this is not a true statement

there are predominantly two types of theories that explain how ionization in water occurs, one is the bubble model the other is i dont know

gunther will tell yuo he's selling a functional stanly meyer frequency generator, but gunther hasent shown any bubbles being produced so i would be wary of whether or not it is actually "functional"

also remember that when researching and discussing stanley meyer tech one of the pre-requistes is that you have to be a complete asshole

its actually quite interesting, if you read through all the posts you will find people using stans terminology.. like "static voltage" and "electrostatic field" and "voltage doing work" etc.

none of that Poo actually happens

how did stan get the energy density to keep increasing without Pooting out quanta ?

thats the golden question

im pretty sure I am the only one on this forum who can show a scope shot that displays voltage amplification across the cell WHILE bubbles are being produced (other than dynodon)

please correct me if i am wrong

Tr1v,

If you would like to have some production numbers from a Stan Meyers replication / offshoot, then look up Dr Scott Cramton here:
Pattrick Kelly's ee-book chapter 10 page 43

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Dave Lawton’s Replication of Stan Meyer’s “Water Fuel Cell”.
The first significant replication of which I am aware, came from Dave Lawton of Wales. By using very considerable tenacity, he discovered the practical details of how to replicate one of Stan Meyer's early designs which is called by the rather confusing name of the "Water Fuel Cell". Dave's work was copied and experimented with by Ravi Raju of India who had considerable success and who posted videos of his results on the web. More recently, Dr Scott Cramton of the USA has adapted the design construction slightly and achieved very satisfactory rates of electrical efficiency, producing some 6 lpm of hydroxy gas for just 3 amps of current at 12 volts.

Dr. Scott Cramton's details start on page 10-62 of the same book

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Dr. Cramton says: “I would like people to know that the scientific community is working on these projects and this technology is now a fact of science and not conjecture”.
Dr Cramton has performed repeated performance tests on a 40 kilowatt diesel generator and the results were highly consistent, coming in within 1% each time on ten successive tests. Here is his graph of the results of this preliminary work:

dave lawton didnt replicate stans work in the slightest.......

If u want to see something similar to the wfc , go take a look at the vascant corporations magnon laser

Quote from reverandkilljoy on October 17th, 2015, 01:17 PM

gunther will tell yuo he's selling a functional stanly meyer frequency generator, but gunther hasent shown any bubbles being produced so i would be wary of whether or not it is actually "functional"

@reverandkilljoy
Please stop posting foolish stuff about anything related to me or my PGen 2.0 products.
"Nomen est omen"

PGen 2.0 products as laboratory devices support experimenters finding correct operating conditions for configurations like Stan Meyer's or Bob Boyce's. Once they are found the microcontroller will be reprogrammed for a complete process control system.  Detailed information here in the forum.

@ Gunther, I agree with you 100%, People should not post foolish stuff about other people's work or products. I can testify that your P-Gen will do the job right now with some manual conditions, and once the correct operating conditions is configured into it, it will work perfect in auto run condition. Once we finish our project with the GMS/VIC unit We can get together and share all the operating conditions needed for the P-Gen and show these people they have no clue in what they are talking about. The reason I/We are building Stan's replication is to be 100% sure I am making the Gas the way he did. I don't want to post statements that could be false. From what i am seeing right now in his electronics, the way i am doing it, is exactly the way he made it. The only difference is I am working the voltage manually where his electronics does it automatic. The process is real simple once you understand the process. The only thing that makes it complicated is doing it manually. There is many working Vic transformers that people has made, but they are not used in the correct way. As for the statement made in the post above about having all kinds of equipment to study Stan Meryer's work, That is just a bogus statement, very little equipment is needed, all the equipment in the world will not replace the knowledge that a brain can absorb. If you don't understand how it works, all the equipment in the world want make it work. Matter of a fact I have a room full of equipment i would like to sale, if anyone is interested in some of it. For i was also one of those people that thought if i keep throwing equipment at it I could get it to work too...

^ lol ronnie lets see a video buddy

i dont think your VIC works as you think it does 

I care less what you think Buddy.
You want to see a Video, go watch your own.
Wouldn't it be better if I were to drive my buggy to your house when i am done and let you see it run on hho in person?
I don't think, (I know) your VIC doesn't work the way it is suppose to.

I will go watch my own, where I can see voltage amplification and bubbles being made at the same time....

something none from your group has shown

You will never see tiny bubbles being made from our group anyway. It's all gas, Just like Stan Meyers made. Look at your video and compare it to one of Stan's Videos, Ask yourself how far off you are after watching Stan's Video's making gas? That will give you an idea how much, you still need to learn on your own or be taught by others. If you keep feeding your brain with knowledge you will get it to work too... Don't give up, Stan's system works.

As the record stands I will never see any bubbles from your group

More than likely you want... The hho community of people has lost faith in Stan Meyers because of fake video's and people's fake claims. That's why i don't think claims or video's will work any longer. It will take solid proof for people to see, to bring back the community. That's what I/We Intend to do. I will have a 4 cylinder engine that is on a rail buggy running on HHO just as Stan Meyer's did.
People, including me has had plenty of show and tells over the years. The next show and tell I will show is a running buggy that I can drive to anyone that wants to see it running. I think that will be the ultimate show and tell. Instead of going on the ScareCrow show and having Stan Meyer conferences and interviews telling people i know how all this works, for ego purposes, I want to drive the buggy right in the ScareCrow studio and Rev it up for the ScareCrow and his audience. Wouldn't it be great to hear the ScareCrow say this Damn thing is running on water. Also to have it setting center stage in a conference for people to see it run, not just have parts and pieces of Stan's work setting around everywhere claiming one knows how it all goes together and works.  A lot of work still left to do. I'm in the process of machining the injector ports right now for the injectors. Hope to get them installed on the buggy in a week or two. The GMS unit needs a couple more cards made and it will be finished and operational. We then can test the injector system. Doing all i can when I can, but it will get done.

amen to that  and vruummm vruumm we go

I just love it when Ronnie speaks that way.  :)

If I could only get him to send me an NDA...