1€ for watt produced

Quote from adys15 on November 10th, 2013, 07:03 AM

1€ for watt produced

Yes, that's the real problem, :huh: inventors come up with inventions to supposedly make life easier, but then charge so much for it, know one but the rich can afford it. So where does that leave us, out in the cold. :angel::angel:
1 E per watt = $1.34 per watt US, a machine capable of producing 28kw, as you say adys, do the math.

Quote from Jeff Nading on November 10th, 2013, 08:19 AM

Quote from adys15 on November 10th, 2013, 07:03 AM

1€ for watt produced

Yes, that's the real problem, :huh: inventors come up with inventions to supposedly make life easier, but then charge so much for it, know one but the rich can afford it. So where does that leave us, out in the cold. :angel::angel:
1 E per watt = $1.34 per watt US, a machine capable of producing 28kw, as you say adys, do the math.

Yeah well, the big one is certainly out of our price range.  How about plans to build one yourself?  Is Valy going to offer a license and some plans where we can source our own materials and build a functioning unit?  I would assume he would also charge support fees to help somebody actually get the unit working once it is all assembled.  And then there's the cost of the materials and I would bet that big motor/generator isn't cheap--looks like a 20 horse three phase unit.

I've been thinking about all these qMoGen devices that Sterling Allan has listed at PESN and what Eric Dollard explained in his Four Quadrant Theory.  I'm starting to understand how it may be possible, but I'm still shaky on the details of how to do it.  Maybe Thane Heins' ReGenX device has some clues to offer.  Seriously Jeff, do you think if we understood what the "trick" was, we could build one that works?  Couldn't be that hard.

1 euro per Watt?

So i buy one 1 Watt version for 1 euro ...

Ok, a 10 Watt for ten euro plus shipping 90 euro...

So for 100 euro i have an OU device and after opening it and beefing it up i have what i want?

He could sell the plans in a coded file, with code attached to person buying it. So if he ever finds his plans on the internet he can sue the one that copied it.

And i hope he made arrangements that his invention can't be lost after he dies...but becomes common knowledge... cause this is mostly the time these hero's  get some repercussions from the illuminati..

If he will do a third video, i suggest he slides the engine a bit over the floor or put wheels under it. Cause in the 2nd video he still could have a wire underneath, technically.

Quote from Matt Watts on November 10th, 2013, 10:20 AM

Quote from Jeff Nading on November 10th, 2013, 08:19 AM

Quote from adys15 on November 10th, 2013, 07:03 AM

1€ for watt produced

Yes, that's the real problem, :huh: inventors come up with inventions to supposedly make life easier, but then charge so much for it, know one but the rich can afford it. So where does that leave us, out in the cold. :angel::angel:
1 E per watt = $1.34 per watt US, a machine capable of producing 28kw, as you say adys, do the math.

Yeah well, the big one is certainly out of our price range.  How about plans to build one yourself?  Is Valy going to offer a license and some plans where we can source our own materials and build a functioning unit?  I would assume he would also charge support fees to help somebody actually get the unit working once it is all assembled.  And then there's the cost of the materials and I would bet that big motor/generator isn't cheap--looks like a 20 horse three phase unit.

I've been thinking about all these qMoGen devices that Sterling Allan has listed at PESN and what Eric Dollard explained in his Four Quadrant Theory.  I'm starting to understand how it may be possible, but I'm still shaky on the details of how to do it.  Maybe Thane Heins' ReGenX device has some clues to offer.  Seriously Jeff, do you think if we understood what the "trick" was, we could build one that works?  Couldn't be that hard.

If a full set of plans were available at low cost, I see no reason why we could not build one, or if like you say "if we understood what the "trick" was" and then know for a certainty that the machine will work, we could build two. I even think we could build the generator and not buy one. With all the knowledge we have at our disposal here at the forum, electrical, machining and casting skills, I think many of us could have our own motor/generator setup an tell the electric company to go jump.

So, with this being said how can we know for sure the machine will work? This would be the kicker for me.

Quote from FaradayEZ on November 10th, 2013, 11:56 AM

1 euro per Watt?

So i buy one 1 Watt version for 1 euro ...

Ok, a 10 Watt for ten euro plus shipping 90 euro...

So for 100 euro i have an OU device and after opening it and beefing it up i have what i want?

He could sell the plans in a coded file, with code attached to person buying it. So if he ever finds his plans on the internet he can sue the one that copied it.

And i hope he made arrangements that his invention can't be lost after he dies...but becomes common knowledge... cause this is mostly the time these hero's  get some repercussions from the illuminati..

If he will do a third video, i suggest he slides the engine a bit over the floor or put wheels under it. Cause in the 2nd video he still could have a wire underneath, technically.

I thought the same thing EZ

Thinking again about this invention/inventor.

He can't put his invention in a coded file, because this is different then when one buys a lecture of someone from the internet. Like with a videofile or so. Here the info can be put into one's own words and put that in a new file.. and then the inventor can't trace back who it was that copied it to the net.

So this man is stuck in selling it himself. And so the lure of a big company giving a one time very large amount is very great. Because, after he has sold 3 engine's himself, one of the buyers will/can put it on internet without being traced. So that way he has a lot of work and a little money and lost his invention to the public.

But if he sells big, we know the company most often don't explore the invention but keep it on some backburner.

So what can he do? It seems to be a devils dilemma when one invents the thing we are all searching for..

Quote from FaradayEZ on November 11th, 2013, 01:06 AM

Thinking again about this invention/inventor.

He can't put his invention in a coded file, because this is different then when one buys a lecture of someone from the internet. Like with a videofile or so. Here the info can be put into one's own words and put that in a new file.. and then the inventor can't trace back who it was that copied it to the net.

So this man is stuck in selling it himself. And so the lure of a big company giving a one time very large amount is very great. Because, after he has sold 3 engine's himself, one of the buyers will/can put it on internet without being traced. So that way he has a lot of work and a little money and lost his invention to the public.

But if he sells big, we know the company most often don't explore the invention but keep it on some backburner.

So what can he do? It seems to be a devils dilemma when one invents the thing we are all searching for..

Guys, I asked Sterling Allan to resume his dialog:
http://pesn.com/2013/11/10/9602392_ValyEnergiStar-posts-another-QMoGen-demo-video/

This time hopefully Valy will be agreeable to selling license and support subscriptions that include build plans and sourcing materials.  If Valy seems interested, I have offered Sterling my assistance in building him a working unit for demonstration purposes and to power his home.

I'll even go so far as to start-up a local U.S. distributorship for ValyEnergiStar if he is interested.  Heck, I'd love to quit my day job and do this full-time.

Quote from Matt Watts on November 12th, 2013, 12:06 AM

Quote from FaradayEZ on November 11th, 2013, 01:06 AM

Thinking again about this invention/inventor.

He can't put his invention in a coded file, because this is different then when one buys a lecture of someone from the internet. Like with a videofile or so. Here the info can be put into one's own words and put that in a new file.. and then the inventor can't trace back who it was that copied it to the net.

So this man is stuck in selling it himself. And so the lure of a big company giving a one time very large amount is very great. Because, after he has sold 3 engine's himself, one of the buyers will/can put it on internet without being traced. So that way he has a lot of work and a little money and lost his invention to the public.

But if he sells big, we know the company most often don't explore the invention but keep it on some backburner.

So what can he do? It seems to be a devils dilemma when one invents the thing we are all searching for..

Guys, I asked Sterling Allan to resume his dialog:
http://pesn.com/2013/11/10/9602392_ValyEnergiStar-posts-another-QMoGen-demo-video/

This time hopefully Valy will be agreeable to selling license and support subscriptions that include build plans and sourcing materials.  If Valy seems interested, I have offered Sterling my assistance in building him a working unit for demonstration purposes and to power his home.

I'll even go so far as to start-up a local U.S. distributorship for ValyEnergiStar if he is interested.  Heck, I'd love to quit my day job and do this full-time.

Would be nice. Maybe Adys15 can help you by calling him?

Wish ye luck :)

Quote from FaradayEZ on November 12th, 2013, 04:33 AM

Would be nice. Maybe Adys15 can help you by calling him?

Wish ye luck :)

We will need some luck or this will too will be erased from the pages of time.

Quote from Matt Watts on November 12th, 2013, 07:23 AM

Quote from FaradayEZ on November 12th, 2013, 04:33 AM

Would be nice. Maybe Adys15 can help you by calling him?

Wish ye luck :)

We will need some luck or this will too will be erased from the pages of time.

The first thing to stay healthy is that he would put his plans somewhere where if he gets harmed the plans will go public to internet.

Second thing is to let the illuminati know of this.

Third to not sell his invention in total, only manufacturing, licensings etc.

Here we go again...

http://revolution-green.com/2013/11/12/scam-alert-another-qmogen-demo-video/

Quote from "Revolution Green"

Things to look for on video.

Apart from the fresh poured concrete and the red box on top which could contain another battery, pay careful attention from 7.44.You see him unplug the small motor,and the lights in the shed get brighter. Then when he switches to self run mode,the lights in the shed all of a sudden get duller.You can see the change quite clearly in the video-full screen may help,but watch it a couple of times from 7.44 to 7.52 (thanks Brad)

So if true, Valy has gone to quite an extent to toss us a scam.

Quote from Matt Watts on November 12th, 2013, 02:17 PM

Here we go again...

http://revolution-green.com/2013/11/12/scam-alert-another-qmogen-demo-video/

Quote from "Revolution Green"

Things to look for on video.

Apart from the fresh poured concrete and the red box on top which could contain another battery, pay careful attention from 7.44.You see him unplug the small motor,and the lights in the shed get brighter. Then when he switches to self run mode,the lights in the shed all of a sudden get duller.You can see the change quite clearly in the video-full screen may help,but watch it a couple of times from 7.44 to 7.52 (thanks Brad)

So if true, Valy has gone to quite an extent to toss us a scam.

Quite allot of skepticism there from "Revolution Green". Matt lets hope this machine pans out and Valy will cooperate to get the build plans.

''An induction coil (like in this test could be concealed in the concrete under the device) As can be seen with many recent stories you can get KW transmitted over short distances effectively
Videos or live demonstrations only run just before the capacity of energy storage utilized has run out.''

revolution green who are those crap's?They are idiots...very idiots...1.how an earth  cand you bery under the concreate a large coil to power the machine?hey thats not a toy that you could stick a nagnet under table....ohhh boooy....

2.He said that the machine itself consumes 3kw where do you store this ''capacity of energy''?+5kw external load?where an earth do you store 8kw of energy for 15min?.....

Quote from Matt Watts on November 12th, 2013, 02:17 PM

Here we go again...

http://revolution-green.com/2013/11/12/scam-alert-another-qmogen-demo-video/

Quote from "Revolution Green"

Things to look for on video.

Apart from the fresh poured concrete and the red box on top which could contain another battery, pay careful attention from 7.44.You see him unplug the small motor,and the lights in the shed get brighter. Then when he switches to self run mode,the lights in the shed all of a sudden get duller.You can see the change quite clearly in the video-full screen may help,but watch it a couple of times from 7.44 to 7.52 (thanks Brad)

So if true, Valy has gone to quite an extent to toss us a scam.

We don't know yet, but have to stay cautious. I will check the first Valy-vid again, but i seem to remember that there was no (flat) concrete on the floor then.

Let him put it on wheels first in a third video, before anyone puts money into it.

And also strange that valy also does windenergy and solar..while i thought this was some farmer with his own idea?

The old "induction coil under the floor trick".  I wouldn't have guessed that.  Sure odd someone would go to that much trouble for a hoax.

Seriously, I don't know what to think.  Without one running in my garage that I assembled myself, I'll reserve a share of skepticism.

Quote from Matt Watts on November 12th, 2013, 04:55 PM

The old "induction coil under the floor trick".  I wouldn't have guessed that.  Sure odd someone would go to that much trouble for a hoax.

Seriously, I don't know what to think.  Without one running in my garage that I assembled myself, I'll reserve a share of skepticism.

I think its just a wire under the ground, where first the wood was. We just should play dumb an ask for a third video on wheels and rolling a distance.

Quote from Matt Watts on November 12th, 2013, 04:55 PM

The old "induction coil under the floor trick".  I wouldn't have guessed that.  Sure odd someone would go to that much trouble for a hoax.

Seriously, I don't know what to think.  Without one running in my garage that I assembled myself, I'll reserve a share of skepticism.

Yes I agree Matt. Would be nice if Valy let an unbiased party like us have the build plans to test and prove one way or another if the machine works as he claims.:D

Quote from Jeff Nading on November 12th, 2013, 06:21 PM

Yes I agree Matt. Would be nice if Valy let an unbiased party like us have the build plans to test and prove one way or another if the machine works as he claims.:D

Yeah, and I could paint the whole thing Charleston Green.  hehe.

So you'll love this, not even an inductor coil, just a simple wire.

First video:
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Second video:
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Breaker, breaker one nine.  Looks like we got us a con man.

Quote from Matt Watts on November 13th, 2013, 02:00 PM

So you'll love this, not even an inductor coil, just a simple wire.

First video:


Second video:


Boy, don't I feel stupid.

So he's got wire coming out of the legs to power the machine. Well, back to the grind.

Quote from Matt Watts on November 13th, 2013, 02:00 PM

So you'll love this, not even an inductor coil, just a simple wire.

First video:


Second video:


Breaker, breaker one nine.  Looks like we got us a con man.

Very sharp find mister eagle eye..

I just can't fathom people going to such lengths to con the public.

Quote from Jeff Nading on November 13th, 2013, 03:09 PM

I just can't fathom people going to such lengths to con the public.

Nate called it when he saw all the beautifully colored paint.  So in the future I'm going to be looking for grease and grime in a dirty garage with no paint at all.  Something that would indicate to me the inventor cares more about operation than looks and has probably ran the machine for quite some time.  Show me Gries or grease, or whatever you got.   hehe.

Quote from Matt Watts on November 13th, 2013, 03:20 PM

Quote from Jeff Nading on November 13th, 2013, 03:09 PM

I just can't fathom people going to such lengths to con the public.

Nate called it when he saw all the beautifully colored paint.  So in the future I'm going to be looking for grease and grime in a dirty garage with no paint at all.  Something that would indicate to me the inventor cares more about operation than looks and has probably ran the machine for quite some time.  Show me Gries or grease, or whatever you got.   hehe.

lol Well I just figure a free energy machine would make more sense if it was always running right?  Would you stop watering a money tree to fill a swimming pool instead?  I'd have that thing hooked to a grid tie inverter till the bearings burned out and in the mean time id start building a second one so that when I needed to replace the bearings on the first one, I'd still be feeding the grid.  Who needs investors when you can build the next machine on the money generated by the first?  Some income is better than none, and if you play your cards right that income will multiply with investment in more machines.  Is it just the 15 minutes of fame they are after perhaps?

Quote from firepinto on November 13th, 2013, 09:27 PM

Quote from Matt Watts on November 13th, 2013, 03:20 PM

Quote from Jeff Nading on November 13th, 2013, 03:09 PM

I just can't fathom people going to such lengths to con the public.

Nate called it when he saw all the beautifully colored paint.  So in the future I'm going to be looking for grease and grime in a dirty garage with no paint at all.  Something that would indicate to me the inventor cares more about operation than looks and has probably ran the machine for quite some time.  Show me Gries or grease, or whatever you got.   hehe.

lol Well I just figure a free energy machine would make more sense if it was always running right?  Would you stop watering a money tree to fill a swimming pool instead?  I'd have that thing hooked to a grid tie inverter till the bearings burned out and in the mean time id start building a second one so that when I needed to replace the bearings on the first one, I'd still be feeding the grid.  Who needs investors when you can build the next machine on the money generated by the first?  Some income is better than none, and if you play your cards right that income will multiply with investment in more machines.  Is it just the 15 minutes of fame they are after perhaps?

So right you are Nate, good incite.:D:D