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I think people rely on others to make it than to be independent to make it themselves.

But seriously lets say this or free energy happened the enctire economy will fall apart which technology like that is against the social well being of the masses and corporations. People rely too much on corporations for work.  If the masses were farmers living off the land then this would help but now it hard to transition abruptly to it.

This is not just fuel only but, health, food, etc. And if they get replaced with something to make lives easier many will be hurt financially and not just rich people. Unemployment would reach over 90% it seems. It is all a domino affect. Why should people bust their asses working to sustain the infrastructure if they have it all? People have to need things and make them work to pay for what they need. All innovation will be in the hands of hobbyists than businesses. Money would take a back seat again to bartering.

The entire system would be changed and that is not just rocking the boat but flipping the boat and everyone will get wet in cold water to freak out since no one is ready it seems. Maybe good maybe bad but that's what it seems.

The breakaway group will be just fine and probably all that is left.

The Breakaway Civilization.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EiMUPdtFXI

LOL
The point I was making is to ask if people know what will fully happen. What if you and everyone else in the world got what they wanted? Most will not want to work and want to spend more time with friends and family. Who will maintain your services and fix your things when everyone does not need anything? Your roof leaks you have to fix it, but to get materials you can not since stores are closed since no one wants to work if they have it all, and if their are stores open they will not have much items since most will not mate the materials, people wont risk their lives or do dirty jobs when they have it all.  One can not be rich form free energy even if all the stars aligned since it will come and quickly as it goes.

Maybe the population will increase or maybe after it increased it will decrease due to all the services being limited since no one wants to work. Would you or others work you think if you had free energy to put in your car or have a motor home and go anywhere, and how long will it last until the car breaks down and no one will fix it since they have all they want. Maybe people will make stronger communities to have agreements to help each other or maybe some wont care and be nomads again. How certain are you in what will happen when certain discoveries happen that are significant in every aspect of life?

I am just saying and asking if people fully know since free energy is not only free energy but also a different world which may or may not be good depending how mature people are.

Progress will be done though passion than profit as the source of motivation. If it did happen people have to be physically ready since they would need to do most of the work when things go wrong, mentally to know enough what to do, and spiritually to know what is right and wrong and be with others that are like minded in the proper perspective. No order or honor if everyone is closer to an ideology of a den of thieves than enlightened monks at Mt. Athos.

Check out video "A Nation of Psychopaths"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuBXHej1IAo

One who finds free energy might know that they should not release it unless people change to be ready or else it will be like kids running around with knives and guns without adults.

The good news is, we don't have to worry about how it plays out, because we won't be allowed to make the choice, it's already been chosen by those self-proclaimed individuals that will build the kind of world they want.  There's no maybe or guess work about it.  The plans have been laid, the machine is in motion.  All the thinking has already been done.

For me, I just want to see a truly free energy device, an energy synthesizer as Eric Dollard puts.  I have no stake in where it all goes from there.  I would like to think people would realize its importance and begin to change their way of thinking, but bottom line, it won't matter if people don't understand there is a war that has been declared on them.  General Patton has a quote, "Defensive positions are monuments of mans stupidity."  I think that pretty much sums up where the masses are.  The ones that know, won't even fight.  And in fact, most don't even know they are being attacked.  So considering that level of ignorance, what difference would a free energy device really make?  Simple.  It won't.  Regardless, I still want to see it.  I want to know it's real.  And for those that care, I want to see them make one too.  I want to witness the change in others when they finally, "get it".

Just a comment about that video, sounds good but is illogical.  You cannot be free in a psychopathic system, all you can do is become another psychopath.  If you don't want to be a part of the global system, you're screwed.  If no one wants to be a part of this global system, you can all decide to fight, to the death if necessary to remove it.  From time to time, the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants.  That's not my quote, but it is accurate and relevant.

Did you ever consider instead of the question "how can we do it" to "why should we do it"?  

As much as the planets seem perpetual they are not they just have a longer winding before it fazes out.

Make something that takes longer to stop while it makes more energy out of a little energy.

Life has more important thing than to just see. If a person saw and did everything what else it left? The rich hurt themselves more to be happy, and the poor work more to be happy, while a person that feels every moment is a gift from God is just happy.

I got an email saying how a farmer is happy with his life on an island to grow grapes and mostly spends with family. A visitor says his grapes are great and he should sell them to everyone and make money and with that money sell it to more and eventually in 20-30 years be so rich he can retire on an island have a farm and be with family. The farmer replies that he does not need money to do that since he is doing it at that moment. Life looks alien to people not use to how others enjoy life. People want to be happy in the end and it seems like people are in a daily iterative Rube Goldberg machine.

Many seem to want to make a free energy device which almost mimics a Rube Goldberg machine. :)

Well, we can give up; let our lives and future be slaughtered.

The farmer with the grapes will only have that life for a short time and I can guarantee he will lose it.  The Borg will move in and ruin it for all future generations.

My point is we are not in a position to just let go and let life run its course.  We need a way individually to become powerful and self sufficient.  We need to rid ourselves of the tyrants.  Only then can we progress and become one with the universe and fully understand it.  There's a huge wall between point A and point B; until we take down that wall, life is going to ever increasingly get worse.

So why should we do it?  What else is there left to do.  We can lay down and die I suppose; if we don't at least try, we will end up the same way anyway.  Even a Rube Goldberg machine that can teach us something is worth building.

Suppose you explain to me how a person can be happy when they are under relentless, ruthless, and vicious attack, from every angle, non-stop.  When your freedom is gone, you're health destroyed, your food is crap, your medicine worthless, your work is bogus, your free time is all chewed up.  How?  How can you be happy?    Sorry, but this is not the time to turn the other cheek.  This is the time to punish your suppressors without prejudice.  They are a blight on the earth.  Their evil knows no bounds and they will come after you simply because they can.

Feel free to educate me.  I'm all ears.

I know what you mean but the thing is if everyone had the same mentality then it would be better. A melting pot of various good and bad views is like soup with good and bad ingredients. Its like the saying democracy is like a room with 2 wolves and a sheep and they vote on whats for dinner lol, a Republic gives them all a fire arm. But both have their good and bad since you cant be always on guard and you can not rely on fools to vote for something stupid.
All in agreement or people go their own way, but to force people does not help in innovation. But sometimes to force people becomes a slippy slope which will affect all people most of the times. You can not give freedom to a crazy person that wants to do bad, or to a fool that helps crazy people do bad, The problem is what is crazy? No one is perfect and many people do crazy things. Give a child a million dollars for a month and kiss the money good bye. Give a non musician a chance to play music at the symphony it will not be good, if a parents lets the child go out not ready they might get get run over etc. In Short people have to be ready or else it would be like letting a child play with a missile launch button.

Free energy is not equal to a lifetime supply of batteries of free solar panels a home. Many things can be done which need high amounts of electricity which is good but many ignore the bad when not ready. People own guns if they know how to use them, people drive when they know the rules of the road, people can attain freedom if they know what is it about.

Infinite energy for everyone is like everyone having access to the power of the sun which can be bad if people have hatred. Some things you can do with infinite energy in what has been done it change elements like mercury to gold which can destabilize markets and trading, powerful EMP can wipe out all data which would be like another burning of Alexandria library in modern day, and many other nightmarish things like black holes and such.

Sure their are many good things but people are not ready spiritually despite you can be or RUSS can be. For even good you think it can do make an equal list of the bad it can do and in the end make a choice which is better I think. You can do it and use it for yourself but I would not trust the technology in the wrong hands, especially scientists in universities which have a God complex.

What you say can make things better at first but we will all be back to where we were and worse, since people are no different than the politicians in office, the heads of corporations, or anyone else.  

I do not have a full answer on what you want to do. For things to get better things have to be worse for people to realize it and wake up. And for people to be protected they have to be independent and self sustaining. Plenty of people that make enough pack up and move to 3rd world countries and live like kings they say.

My opinion is if one wants justice, that seems to comes from the masses, and the masses have to be education than distracted with entertainment and silliness. I am not saying you or anyone should stop the goal of free energy but I think people should know the consequences. If free energy is free what makes you think it wont be used against you to oppress you more since who needs people to fight wars when having government can have drones that can be in the air without charging, put light free energy devices in space to power weapons, etc. If not government then rich people or masses like fanatical extremist that feel others are no better to want to take down others.

So lets say you have Free energy, but so will others that will want to harm you with the wrong ideology then we are all back to square one and even worse since their are things that can only be done with free energy which only money can buy in making those devices.

So in short I feel education on what is morally right and wrong is the key, since no matter who goes into office or becomes rich they are people too like most which like minded people put them in. You can replaces all the rich or politicians with new people and the new will eb the same if not worse. Everyone wants to be the one in charge since everyone feels they know what is best, despite everyone is the same.

This is exactly why what is needed is the great equalizer.  Morality is key yes, but it cannot legislated.

I have been in and worked at places where everyone is armed with lethal weapons and I can tell you from experience, crazies don't last long.  It's the equality of power that sets the tone and keeps people headed in the right direction.  In such a place, there is no need for governments, politicians and such.  It's real easy for everyone to see where the line in the sand is--you cross it and most likely you are no more.  It can be a little scarey at first, but after a while it becomes very comfortable.  The people around you trust you as you do for them.  Misfits stand out like a sore thumb and are quickly dealt with.  Morality becomes almost automatic--you learn it, follow it or you perish.

Clearly this kind of power falling into the wrong hands can happen.  Simply put, it already has.  It's being used against us continuously.  Let me lay out a very fabricated example that will help to show my point:

Suppose I hear about the President doing something I strongly disagree with; not only do I disagree with it, but my family, friends and everyone I know disagrees too.  In our current condition, what can be done about it?  Seriously done about it.  Mostly nothing and the President will continue on as though there is no opposition.  But now suppose I, my family and all my friends have nuclear fusion reactors that with a few turns of a key and a couple of button pushes can turn the entire United States into vapor.  Do you think the President would then listen to our grievances?  I do.  In fact, I suspect the President would even come and ask for our approval before doing anything.  You see how having equal power promotes manners and good behavior?  No one just throws their weight around anymore because we all now have the same weight.  Granted my example is extreme, but the idea is sound.  With everyone having equal power, it's a very bad idea to do something that would pis$ someone else off; what is left are the things everyone agrees to.

Look at modern geopolitics.  The United States tells and demands Middle Eastern countries what to do.  They may spit and cuss but they do it.  Why? because they do not have equal power to resist.  But does the U.S. behave the same with Russia or China?  No, because these countries DO have equal power to resist and very likely will if pushed too far.  Now imagine all countries with equal power.  Next, imagine all humans on the planet with equal power.  See what I mean?  It gets a little difficult to impose your will on others, which translates into true equality.  The trick to all this is that individual power must be infinite.  What I mean is that any single person can resist a group of others threatening them.  It's kind of like gaming strategy where in defensive mode, one person can stop an entire army, but in offensive mode you only have limited power.  This creates a stalemate condition where no one person or group can overpower any other person or group.  In such an environment, your freedom ends where someone else's nose begins.  This is the kind of society I envision.  Would unlimited free energy get us there?  Hardly, but it certainly would get people thinking the system we live in now is not only dysfunctional but potentially replaceable.  That would be a great start.

And yes, I would love to drive a water powered vehicle to work everyday and get people thinking again if possible.

Remember the Steam revolution we used animals before then. No world collapse occurred at their being no longer wanted. No world collapse will occur with Oil not wanted, thing will change yes, and for the better!

Should we call it, "Change you can believe in" ?

How about "Change for the better, whether you like it or not".
Every passing day I'm leaning more and more towards the abolishment of countries, armies, customs etc.
One World, one people.
I'm afraid that's what's going to happen anyway some day, with the best case scenario being that all the countries in the World are in on it and the worst case scenario would be the surviving nation taking over the World.
John Lennon wasn't too far off with Imagine, AAMOF it could be the new World anthem.

A lot of talk about "The New World Order".  What this really is, is a return to the old world order, where special bloodlines control every aspect of civilization.  My fear is the real power behind all this will never give it up.  They will take all of us down with them before they let it slip away--MAD, mutually assured destruction.  At that point, you really will have the "Kali Yuga".  Of course after that, there will be a rebirth, but it may be many millions of years depending on just how bad the earth is destroyed and all that was learned will be lost.  Whatever boils up out of the goo that is left behind will have to relearn everything from scratch.

I have a hunch from many historical descriptions this has happened before, several times already.  A civilization becomes too pigheaded and too power hungry and then vanishes from the pages of time.  The most interesting part of this research links the leaders of these various civilizations bloodlines and guess what?  It's the same damn people over and over again, like a curse.  Time and time again, a certain group of people push themselves into power, build a monster, turn it loose, let it self destruct and then move on to start the cycle all over again.  How this curse can be lifted and the cycle broken I have no idea, it's never happened yet.

Well, how about a second World then?
Don't wish for this World to come together as one, make it so instead.
If enough good ideas can be realised in order to create such a sustainable stable new World void of greed, religious terror, ethnic clensing etc, then I'm all for it and I'm guessing the better part of humanity also would like to be in on it.
Good ideas would of course be in the lines of finding ways of growing crops/food for everyone, provide for housing, energy distribution etc etc, all those things that which enables us to sustain life, that would be step nr 1.
The problem would of course be to somehow prevent what we have now from emerging once more so everyone would
have to learn how to get along without resorting to wars etc.
Sounds impossible?
Only if you think it is.

Something like I mentioned above in my gaming strategy is absolute key.  If no man or group of men can attack and victimize any single man, then you set the stage for true freedom.  This alone completely changes the game; in such an environment, most if not all negative human traits vanish simply because they are ineffective.

One has to wonder if other alien races progressed to such point and if they have, wouldn't it be nice if they would come here and show us the way.

What you guys state is what I am talking about. Civilizations rise and fall and some feel it’s the bad one in power. But people that are just as bad put them in power. Even the church takes no official stance in politics since they say everyone goes against the will of God to one form or another. People have to change for society to change. There are places in the world with no police, no government, and no technology which live longer and are happier. People felt like technology will make them happy and live longer but people do not live longer which is a lie people live less. Sure “more” people live longer due to coming from a backwards nation, but people as far bad as ancient Greece there are people that live over 90 and still stronger than an average person in their prime.

In short we do not need technology or aliens to make our lives better and for us to be happy, we need the truth.

Example of living long and do not rely on technology much.

Another to consider is this which many do not know about the original intent of Christianity which has become the thing it is against. (part 1 but should be sufficient for an into to get the point)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=WMJ0s_6qPEs&t=48

To follow up and put both together

So isn't this true Freedom? They feel so to live longer and be happier without fear and no matter what wars or problems goes on they are independent and have peace of mind despite the seemingly harder life it may seem to some. If anything technology made things worse in other parts.

Quote from wsx on August 3rd, 2013, 01:37 PM

In short we do not need technology or aliens to make our lives better and for us to be happy, we need the truth.

The truth about what?

You cannot miss something you have never experienced.  I think life has a wee bit more to offer than just "live long" and "be happy".  The struggles and challenges of life don't make your life longer (stress) or happier (frustration), but I can say for certain I wouldn't trade them in.  It's all part of that journey you mentioned earlier.  A person needs those experiences to grow, mature and learn to think.  Humans are interesting creatures and posses potentially unlimited powers should they seek to acquire them.  Technology is the pathway to understanding the universe in which we exist.  Wouldn't it give you peace of mind to understand how it all works?  Like a child searching for its boundaries, it's natural and instinctive to search out our limitations and where we fit in the giant scheme of things.

True life is not about living long or happiness, but that is what many seem to want to I made that as a point. But as I said that those lives I pointed out are not simple. If you saw the video of the monks they eat 2 times a day, sleep 3 hours a day, and always active. I don't think I or most can do what those old men can do. They have peace of mind despite the lack of luxuries, but they got use to it.

You say people can get unlimited power, but a quote form a silly movie I saw a long time ago "power without perception is useless and therefore of no true value". Whats the point of giving power to a mad man, it would be like giving a knife to a crazy person to run around in the streets. lol which is why to seep power without truth only causes more problems. Do you want to give people not ready for power from a knife, gun, or free energy devices from rail guns to emp guns? Ones head has to be in the right place I think or else more suffer.

I feel that technology can help people understand the universe but technology by itself can only blind people if that is the core principle. Scientists can lie have have lied and truth from them has to be taken with a grain of salt since they seem to be blind to certain truths. Science changes to say one day this and the next day that.
I heard once that math is the language of God, and Philosophy makes better mathematicians. http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2013-05/uosd-nbp052813.php  Scientists seem to ignore consequences and say yay we made the gas cars which can go on gas and pollute the air, or yay we can use freeon which can keep you cool despite mess up the ozone, or yay we made green energy to help the environment for the place we are selling it despite it destroys the environment when they get the stuff, or yay we have cheap "nuCLEAR" energy to stop those dity coal plants but radiates the entire world, or even meds how yay this one pill fixes one problem but gives me 10 other ones. lol Everything was to make life better but turned out worse so how can this not be any different?

Also life is not about pleasing God which the second video hinted on as it states that  
"The notion that Orthodox Christianity is not a 'religion" if we define "religion" as a system of appeasing God or gods" And the bible is not the world of God no more than astrologer are the world of stars,... but the video explains it better which states that they are referencing in a way but cant remember the exact wording.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yZijfXHzKU

Point is science does not have a monopoly of truth but it does help u find it as a useful tool it can be. To rely on it as if its a swiss army knife does not seem to will go far when it acts like a jack of all trades and a master of none.
Well that's another perspective which many can disagree. Sorry for it being long again.

No problem.  I think we are pretty much in agreement except for the releasing of technology.  From my perspective, the madman will be taken care of over time.  Having that kind of power but not using it responsibly would likely cut that life span short in an environment where everyone is equal.  My major point is this:  If we all had a free energy device, I highly doubt it would make the world worse.  The crazies already have free energy and look what they are doing with it.  By the rest of us being able to even the score, I have to think things would be better.  I just see no way in which it could be worse.  I could be wrong, but I'd sure like to proven wrong before I would accept it.

Put a bio-chip in everyone. To pay digitally with it and to see where everybody is at every moment. So no crimes left unpunished anymore, so no black circuit anymore and riddle the biochip so as when people get old or economically useless the chip sends of some current to bug your dna and get a rare disease to die off.

There you have the nicely controlled society the nwo wants.

Free energy, free internet, free speech, free press..its all annoying to the powers that be.


And then some hacker came along and put in one stroke every flag up at the numbers he saw running down his screen....and so the masses died that had the number of the beast on/in their hand or on/in their head.

Left in the hands of men everything gets corrupted...

Mad men to be taken care of over time? Time is the issue and people with the power are regular people and regular people give them the power.
“Tesla always knew he would triumph. In his own words, regarding tycoons such as J.P. Morgan:
I am unwilling to accord to some small-minded and jealous individuals the satisfaction of having thwarted my efforts. These men are to me nothing more than microbes of a nasty disease. My project was retarded by laws of nature. The world was not prepared for it. It was too far ahead of time, but the same laws will prevail in the end and make it a triumphal success.”
http://www.activistpost.com/2013/06/nikola-tesla-calling-all-freethinkers.html

“When one is deprived of ones liberty, one is right in blaming not so much the man who puts the shackles on as the one who had the power to prevent him, but did not use it.”
― Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War

Point is Time will take care of mad men but how many more mad men do we need until people learn what is right and wrong? One must not “Put the cart before the horse” just like one must not release things when people are not ready or the things that they feel will free them will come back to oppress them. We both agree the info should be out but I say people should be ready or else it will hurt them, but you say it will free them.

Well just like fine arms all the inventors felt it would end wars if they made a deadly weapon to make people feel disgusted by war or would feel a mutual destruction with weapons that took out Nagasaki and Hiroshima. People say the right to bear arms was to protect people against oppressive government, but when the government has the money and power to make better weapons, not even the best legal fire arm can take town a tank. So many have died for no reason, and so many people give birth to one nation’s detriment. The solution to it all was never more food, more space, more technology, more or less government.
The solution I feel is truth for people to know what it is and be ready for it. You feel technology will solve everything.

Here is a quote from C.S. Lewis (author of the Narnia novels, and friend of JRR Tokin
“No man knows how bad he is till he has tried very hard to be good. A silly idea is current that good people do not know what temptation means. This is an obvious lie. Only those who try to resist temptation know how strong it is. After all, you find out the strength of the German army by fighting against it, not by giving in. You find out the strength of a wind by trying to walk against it, not by lying down. A man who gives in to temptation after five minutes simply does not know what it would have been like an hour later. That is why bad people, in one sense, know very little about badness — they have lived a sheltered life by always giving in. We never find out the strength of the evil impulse inside us until we try to fight it: and Christ, because He was the only man who never yielded to temptation, is also the only man who knows to the full what temptation means — the only complete realist.” C.S. Lewis tried to make LOTR Author JRR Tokin into an atheists like him but backfired, which is why you see his stories are at the core faith based, but like Tesla's inventions and actions are faith based.

Everyone has to be a realist to have technology “help” them; technology can not help people be realists, or else it can distract them from what is right and wrong just like how many scientists now are Godless and care for their own ambitions and not care at what costs, since their God is technology, and blind people in charge can do more harm than good.

As you said “Wouldn't it give you peace of mind to understand how it all works” Yes which is why I say to not put the “Put the cart before the horse” or else we can not go far. People should keep looking for truth just like Tesla as he said that he could have not done anything of his invention without his faith which he emphasized. While scientists that did not put faith first help make atom bomb and then say oops.

Still don’t agree? I won’t name names but people that have the view of “an eye for an eye” will never fine peace just like how nations that follow it always have strife, and technology will only arm them even more. Others that have other false faiths become deceived and give them more problems of over populations to the point it hurts everyone. And others with no faith well we covered then with how some scientists think which nations like that also have issues. Nations were kittens now they have claws with technology, and more technology will just give them longer claws.

Again I feel technology can "assist" but is not the "main solution", since the main solution has to be at the center of it all, and the only thing that seems to fit at the center is the truth, so anything else will just delay as it has delayed for thousands of years to have true peace.

Again I am not discouraging people to not find free energy I am just saying that is is the the "solution" to all the problems since I gave some examples how it can backfire for us to be back to where we started. Even the printing press, radio, tv, internet, etc was to help people be free and be informed to free people but it seems people are more oppressed and distracted by the technology that they felt would free them. Most people addicted to pop music on radio, American idols or sports etc on tv, facebook or pron on internet, and then people forget what they were intended for since where are the realists?

Quote from wsx on August 5th, 2013, 10:21 PM

Still don’t agree? I won’t name names but people that have the view of “an eye for an eye” will never fine peace just like how nations that follow it always have strife, and technology will only arm them even more.

Exactly right.  We could disagree on every other topic, but agreement on just this one issue more than bonds us to find a solution.