open-source-energy.org

Open - Source - Research => Member Benches => evostars => Topic started by: evostars on May 5th, 2017, 11:18 AM

Title: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on May 5th, 2017, 11:18 AM
For those, who want to comment on my work. please do it here.

Feel free to share your idea's, thoughts, positive constructive criticism. feelings, video's, inspiration, advise etc.
 :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Comments section
Post by: Matt Watts on May 5th, 2017, 11:21 AM
Quote from evostars on May 5th, 2017, 09:40 AM
stack other pancake coil and look to that like one capacitor exchanging charges between each plate  (two pancake coils )

dont know what he means, ...
I do, finally.

Two plates can only form a capacitor when a particular voltage threshold is reached.  Up to that point, the two plates are simply an open circuit.  There is no dielectric lines of force, no attraction between the plates.

But there's more...

There is another voltage threshold related to capacitors and when that voltage is reached, the capacitor is now a spark gap, a short circuit.

I was never taught any of this, but discovered it when working with the Jack Noskills device(http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2927.0).

It's a voltage controlled switch that has a range where charge can be accumulated.  To me, this explains Nelson's early circuits using relays--he was trying to formulate a mechanism to take advantage of what we call a capacitor, only he figured out at some point a capacitor is also a switch.  Initially this concept flew right over my head, but now I see it, have proven it is real, it is there and we can use it too.

This explains why an LCR meter is of no use to us with these type of geometries.  You cannot adequately alter the voltage potential enough within an LCR meter for it to cover the entire range of such a capacitor.  So trying to get this kind of test equipment to display a useful value in Farads is pointless.  Now that I comprehend what is going on here, we maybe should attempt to build a measuring device that will tell us where the two thresholds are and what the capacitance is within those two thresholds.  That would be an extremely useful piece of equipment.
Title: Re: Comments section
Post by: evostars on May 5th, 2017, 11:39 AM
Thats a good one Matt. :thumbsup2:
Thats why the high voltage is needed, to close the gap between the bifilar coils.
I just did the 4 coils test, with center gap. I connected the 2 center coils. But they should be open.

I also tested it with open connection. there was a slight signal, but weak. Since I work with relative low voltages, I will need to close the gap. bring the plates/coil together. or raise the voltage. I can hook up my 19V power supply.

I guess, thats why Nelson has the blue coils with the white spacing. thats the dielectric.

Title: Re: Comments section
Post by: Matt Watts on May 5th, 2017, 01:35 PM
What bothers me is that I should have figured this out a long time ago when playing with Xenon flash tubes.

(http://www.circuitspecialists.com/content/image/48253/600/36FT106.jpg)

The trigger plate provides a means to shorten the gap because of the placement and dielectric properties of the glass.  Essentially you provide enough voltage so the tube charges like a capacitor, then by providing enough voltage to the trigger plate, you short circuit the high voltage cap and an internal discharge takes place, causing the Xenon gas to form a plasma.

To me this is pure proof of a capacitor also acting as a switch--both high and low voltage thresholds must be adhered to.  As typical, hidden in plain sight.
Title: Re: Comments section
Post by: Matt Watts on May 5th, 2017, 04:44 PM
Quote from evostars on May 5th, 2017, 03:56 PM
There must be 3 fields. one and two are transverse, electro magnetic , and the 3rd is longitudinal. this third wave... moving like sound pressure waves. this is where the energy resides.
If contained in a cylindrical fashion, you will in effect have two longitudinal waves on the same axis emanating from the same central point.  This is easy to recognize in a solenoid type coil, but more difficult to notice in a pancake flat coil.  I would think also more difficult to control.  You no longer have the volume of the solenoid coil, or that volume acting as a guide.  You only have a surface, so the wave will be far more abrupt--like the difference between rapid combustion (explosion) and a true detonation.  This is good though because change in intensity over time is where the energy is; you'll have a massive change in intensity for a very short period of time.  All that is needed is to sequence rapid bursts and the energy emitted will be extraordinary, if you can collect it all.
Title: Re: Comments section
Post by: evostars on May 6th, 2017, 01:20 AM
matt,  that's why I think the surfice area of the bifilar pancake coil is important.

if the 3 fields are all at 90 degrees related to each other. the 3rd field Longitudinal would point out of the coil straight up and down from the surface. bigger area better beam.

at the same time it rotates. producing a vortex.

that vortex needs a center hole, to spin freely.
radius of the hole, is one
radius of the hole plus windings is phi*phi
for perfect balance.
(phi*phi) - 1=phi
Title: Re: Comments section
Post by: Matt Watts on May 6th, 2017, 02:11 PM
Quote from evostars on May 6th, 2017, 12:34 PM
bifilar inner hole ratio to winding surface area, based on the pentagram PHI geometry
I like the phi ratio idea for the inner/outer diameters.  Can you give me some ideas about the turning ratio?  What I mean is:  should the spacing be constant between the conductors from inner to outer starting point?   Or should this spacing also have some kind of phi ratio?   I'm not sure I can draw it properly.  Hopefully you get what I mean.  The reason I ask is because it looks more than possible to design a PCB bifilar pancake coil, with each one being precision made and exact.  If we have some idea what the optimal geometry might look like, it would give me an excellent starting point.

I'm also not clear whether the winding/spacing should be tighter near the center or the edge.  I'm thinking a vortex would spin faster at its edges than its center, so the angle near the outer edge should be almost tangent, but in the center, the opposite would be true.  The angle would be nearly 90 degrees from dead center, so something less than that at the hole edge.

Evo, do you have any examples of a phi-based spiral?  Other than the typical snail shell?

Title: Re: Comments section
Post by: haxar on May 6th, 2017, 05:46 PM
Quote from evostars on May 5th, 2017, 11:18 AM
For those, who want to comment on my work. please do it here.
You can lock your own thread so that members cannot respond to them.
Title: Re: Comments section
Post by: evostars on May 6th, 2017, 11:38 PM
Quote from Matt Watts on May 6th, 2017, 02:11 PM
I like the phi ratio idea for the inner/outer diameters.  Can you give me some ideas about the turning ratio?  What I mean is:  should the spacing be constant between the conductors from inner to outer starting point?   Or should this spacing also have some kind of phi ratio?   I'm not sure I can draw it properly.  Hopefully you get what I mean.  The reason I ask is because it looks more than possible to design a PCB bifilar pancake coil, with each one being precision made and exact.  If we have some idea what the optimal geometry might look like, it would give me an excellent starting point.

I'm also not clear whether the winding/spacing should be tighter near the center or the edge.  I'm thinking a vortex would spin faster at its edges than its center, so the angle near the outer edge should be almost tangent, but in the center, the opposite would be true.  The angle would be nearly 90 degrees from dead center, so something less than that at the hole edge.

Evo, do you have any examples of a phi-based spiral?  Other than the typical snail shell?
yes,  i have made a phi based toroid. its perfect for 8 pointed coils. I'll make some pics.

the spacing needs to be even. the spiral moves inwards,  and therefore changes rotational speeds.

the capacitance needs to be even to do this.

the only factor in spacing is,  how high the voltage pulses are when you put them in, to prevent spark over between the windings.
closer=better=more capacitance.

the windings are like capacitor plates.
Title: Re: Comments section
Post by: evostars on May 6th, 2017, 11:41 PM
Quote from haxar on May 6th, 2017, 05:46 PM
You can lock your own thread so that members cannot respond to them.
Thanks for the good tip :)
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: nav on May 8th, 2017, 05:15 AM
Where you have built the transformer onto your circuit and you mentioned the pulsed signal turning into a sine wave: This happens on all transformers that are pulsed with dc, the transformer core dynamics absorb the infrastruture of any square wave and don't output that infrastructure, you get a normal sine wave that emerges either side of the dc offset. If you place a diode after your transformer you then end up with chopped ac above the offset at twice the input frequency.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: nav on May 8th, 2017, 05:23 AM
And if you need a transformer for high frequency then you need an audio transformer or switch mode transformer that can withstand the frequency. Laminated cores need to be air gapped at HF and sometimes ferrite does too. Normal 60hz transformers saturate at high frequency.
If you wish to build one then you can buy suitable cores and magnet wire to do the job which is what we've all been doing.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: nav on May 8th, 2017, 05:32 AM
In case your wondering how you end up with twice the frequency it is because the diode only allows current in one direction and when it blocks current in the other direction it does so during the 180 degrees of pulse off. You then end up with all the 180 degree pulse off periods eliminated from the circuit and only a signal with back to back 180 degrees of pulse on.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on May 8th, 2017, 05:47 AM
tnx Nav. I suspected the iron core to mess it up.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on May 8th, 2017, 06:15 AM
I'm wondering what it would do without a core, just windings.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: nav on May 8th, 2017, 06:17 AM
http://www.electronicdesign.com/energy/avoid-transformer-core-saturation
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: nav on May 8th, 2017, 06:25 AM
Quote from evostars on May 8th, 2017, 06:15 AM
I'm wondering what it would do without a core, just windings.
A transformer relies on magnetic flux to transfer the pulse from the primary to the secondary and the magnetic flux in the core must be able to switch fast enough to carry the dynamic signal. Laminated cores when pulsed with dc tend to over saturate because there isn't enough time to get rid of the magnetising flux before the next pulse. Air gaps in the core can be helpful but materials such as ferrite are better. Audio transformers work ok but you still have to be careful when pulsing them with dc and can still saturate.
Not having a core at all will not transfer the energy from the primary to the secondary efficiently enough because it relies on proximity of the fields rather than magnetic flux in a core.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: Matt Watts on May 8th, 2017, 06:32 AM
Evo, if you get Nelson's circuit tuned right, you'll get tiny little pulses that blow the doors off your scope, well in excess of 400 volts with that transformer you bought.  There's also a voltage threshold where the circuit transitions from an oscillator to a pulse generator.  In my case that was somewhere between 7 ~ 9 volts.  I would try using a toroid with 1:1 turns instead of a ferrite rod though.

Nav, you need to build this circuit and get it working.  It doesn't behave at all like one would expect.  What Nelson discovered we need to comprehend.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on May 8th, 2017, 06:38 AM
tnx!
but how to tune...
i use uf4007 diodes. should be fast enough
removed the iron core,  replaced it with ferrite rods. still sine.

above 5 volts indeed the pulse becomes stronger but still not stable,  tomuch sine wave.

I think my cheap caps havr a hard time (high pitched noise), and a to low voltage rating,  for the bifilar pulses.  I will make that 1:1
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: nav on May 8th, 2017, 07:05 AM
Quote from Matt Watts on May 8th, 2017, 06:32 AM
Evo, if you get Nelson's circuit tuned right, you'll get tiny little pulses that blow the doors off your scope, well in excess of 400 volts with that transformer you bought.  There's also a voltage threshold where the circuit transitions from an oscillator to a pulse generator.  In my case that was somewhere between 7 ~ 9 volts.  I would try using a toroid with 1:1 turns instead of a ferrite rod though.

Nav, you need to build this circuit and get it working.  It doesn't behave at all like one would expect.  What Nelson discovered we need to comprehend.
Too busy Matt at the moment with the bifilar/Meyer project. I'm also building a new secondary which can pulse low and high frequencies. At the end of the day there isn't much difference in what i'm doing and what you guys are doing, the dynamics are the same using bifilars. All i'm doing is creating a secondary that can pulse a gated signal then a set of chokes that filter out part of that signal the exact same way a low pass filter chokes out high impedance signals then dumping them into a capacitor. My chokes also work at their self resonant frequency which produces more voltage to be dumped.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on May 8th, 2017, 07:12 AM
Got it fairly good working now, with a ferrite rod, with 2 separate windings, and a ferrite rod as step up transformer core. Thanks for the help.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on May 8th, 2017, 07:25 AM
but still no spikes. sinus...
will try again with iron core
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: nav on May 8th, 2017, 01:58 PM
Evostars, there is only one thing you can do with an high voltage dielectric field and that is to store it as capacitance. Then that capacitance must be isolated from the primary source impedance for it to be effective.
For years and years we have choked unwanted signals from voltage and transmission lines then sent them through capacitance back to the source impedance and everyone should have worked out by now that there is no need to do it.
Unwanted signals and their respective harmonics are the gateway to capacitance and if you can't find an unwanted signal with harmonics then create one, it really isn't so hard but it involves firstly creating a primary signal through resistance then filtering an unwanted signal through a capacitor not back to the source impedance but keeping it isolated and then using it while in isolation.
That's what this is all about - isolation, what ever happens in your bifilar array you must keep it away from your source otherwise the source will neutralise it.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: nav on May 8th, 2017, 02:48 PM
There is an effect called self resonance where the inductive and capacitive reactance neutralise each other in an inductor, however if you create a situation where the inductive reactance is asked a question and you've blocked the answer then the capacitive reactance is also asked the same question but here lies wisdom and the beauty of mother nature: Capacitive reactance always answers any question asked one quarter of a cycle before inductive reactance can answer the same question.
With this knowledge you can isolate the capacitive reactance in either a resonant or none resonant condition. Remember these words i've told you because they will help you understand how mother nature works and help you design your own equipment and not copy others.
But here is an absolutely critical clue which i'm going to tell you about and i've not told anyone else about but it needs saying: Imagine you have a magnetic field in a bifilar coil, when the magnetic field collapses it will always collapse in the opposite direction from which it was charged, there are two positive wires at one end of the coil and two negative wires at the other. Now imagine you charged the bifilar through just one of its wires and you used a diode to bias the direction of charge then when the pulse is terminated the magnetic field always opposes the direction of charge so reverses and then is blocked by the diode. There is no voltage or current available on the charging wire BUT something very special happens in the other wire on the bifilar.
Even though the bias diode only blocked the current for one wire it also blocks the current on the other wire because the other wire is magnetically coupled. But mother nature is a very special thing because she allowed the voltage in the other wire to pass even though the current was blocked in that wire. The reason why mother nature does this is because during the very act of blocking current in both wires, the voltage on the wire with no diode was already 90 degrees in front and providing both the wire to the diode and the wire to the capacitor are of equal length then because the voltage is leading by 90 degrees then it hits the capacitor plate first but in the other wire with the diode there can be no voltage pass because it is open circuit. Look at the diagram, its a race to the finish line between the current and voltage on the none diode wire but remember for voltage to win then both wires have to be the same length. You've just picked my brain big style, make use of it.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on May 8th, 2017, 02:58 PM
thanks  for sharing Nav, have you build something with this knowledge?

I need to say this: "what about the 3rd field"

2 transverse fields (EM)
1 Longitudinal field.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: nav on May 8th, 2017, 03:02 PM
And that my friend even though anybody won't recognise it as such is the most important piece of information that has ever been posted on this forum by far.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: nav on May 8th, 2017, 03:03 PM
Quote from evostars on May 8th, 2017, 02:58 PM
thanks  for sharing Nav, have you build something with this knowledge?

I need to say this: "what about the 3rd field"

2 transverse fields (EM)
1 Longitudinal field.
Yes
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: nav on May 8th, 2017, 03:19 PM
Build this simple bifilar system but you're gonna need bigger caps believe me.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: nav on May 8th, 2017, 03:24 PM
The pulse going into the diode is half the self resonant frequency of the bifilar, the diode will double it to the actual frequency needed.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on May 8th, 2017, 04:06 PM
tnx nav,  I will review this (later I'm really tired)
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on May 9th, 2017, 01:21 AM
Nav, what you showed,  looks alot like I am doing.
your drawing show parallel single wire coils.

I use parallel, bifilar series (more capacitance lower resonant frequency.

the diode,  is my IGBT.

i extract capacitance from the second coil, by using Y diodes(creating 2 dc paths,  to charge capacitors, and keep the voltage flowing)

but you use a single wire, @half frequency, being doubled because the collapse into the capacitor is the other half.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: nav on May 9th, 2017, 01:33 AM
Its a bifilar coil, you charge the magnetic field on one of it's windings and have the cap on it's other windings.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on May 9th, 2017, 01:43 AM
Quote from nav on May 9th, 2017, 01:33 AM
Its a bifilar coil, you charge the magnetic field on one of it's windings and have the cap on it's other windings.
but is it also series connected?

i read two positives one 1 side, and 2 negatives on the other side.

so, 2 separate windings, not series connected?
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: nav on May 9th, 2017, 01:54 AM
This is what the scope will tell you across the charging wires of the bifilar. The gate becomes inverted and is absorbed by the resistor, the self resonant frequency is induced by the bifilar coil but not the inverted gate.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: nav on May 9th, 2017, 02:05 AM
Quote from evostars on May 9th, 2017, 01:43 AM
but is it also series connected?

i read two positives one 1 side, and 2 negatives on the other side.

so, 2 separate windings, not series connected?
A bifilar, you can use a pancake or normal bifilar.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: nav on May 9th, 2017, 02:19 AM
Do you see what happens?, the resistor is an impedance match for the gate frequency and the bifilar becomes an impedance match for the self resonant frequency. Then the self resonant bifilar collapses in the opposite direction but the bias diode only allows voltage to enter the cap on the capacitor part of the circuit.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on May 9th, 2017, 02:37 AM
Quote from nav on May 9th, 2017, 02:19 AM
Do you see what happens?, the resistor is an impedance match for the gate frequency and the bifilar becomes an impedance match for the self resonant frequency. Then the self resonant bifilar collapses in the opposite direction but the bias diode only allows voltage to enter the cap on the capacitor part of the circuit.
don't see it completely.
magnetic field can collapse through resistor to earth.

gate=?   gate=diode?

Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: namirha on May 9th, 2017, 02:45 AM
Quote from nav on May 9th, 2017, 02:05 AM
A bifilar, you can use a pancake or normal bifilar.
PANCAKE - FERRITE - COIL - 24 NEW CONFIGURATION PANCAKE COIL....!!!
FOUR GROUPS OF SIX PANCAKE COILS WITH FERRITE CORE....!
...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCJv7iEvJbc

Nothing happens by chance...
http://forum.keshefoundation.org/forum/the-keshe-forum/55510-nothing-happens-by-chance?p=60883#post60883

Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on May 9th, 2017, 04:54 AM
Quote from evostars on May 6th, 2017, 11:38 PM
yes,  i have made a phi based toroid. its perfect for 8 pointed coils. I'll make some pics.
almost forgot.
PHI toroid with coil. see how it travels in straight lines( red one).
1-1-2-3-5-8-13-21-34-...

5= flat 5 pointed star(phi based pentagram)
8=phi based toroid
13=?
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: Zweistein on May 10th, 2017, 12:04 AM
i find some interesting comments in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzWpnDorI3U
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on May 12th, 2017, 03:07 PM
tnx for the input zweistein (funny name. eins zwei drei fier)
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: Zweistein on May 14th, 2017, 12:54 AM
evostars, could you check next few things please. when your single wire comes out of the coil, before you connect the rectifier or diodes in your case, does a led light up if you connect only one leg. and if you check with a electrical tester screwdriver without touching the metal cap, does it lit up? thnx
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: Zweistein on May 14th, 2017, 03:37 AM
and regarding the induction cooker, let`s say the pan is your receiving coil and the induction cooker is your transmitting coil. the pan is solid material, so your receiving coil is tightly wound. but if your transmitting coil is tightly wound, you have a magnetic field on the surface. now what happens when you give the magnetic field a litte more space between the windings :)
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: Matt Watts on May 14th, 2017, 07:19 AM
So Evo, I'm still confused looking at this schematic:

(http://open-source-energy.org/?action=dlattach;topic=2952.0;attach=15701;image)

The coil is connected to the positive rail, how is that pulsing from both sides?
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on May 14th, 2017, 12:39 PM
Quote from Matt Watts on May 14th, 2017, 07:19 AM
So Evo, I'm still confused looking at this schematic:

(http://open-source-energy.org/?action=dlattach;topic=2952.0;attach=15701;image)

The coil is connected to the positive rail, how is that pulsing from both sides?
its not :)

its from youtube channel skycollection. i just posted it because he has some nice films and he uses this pnp npn pair for his coils
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on May 15th, 2017, 02:13 AM
Quote from Zweistein on May 14th, 2017, 03:37 AM
and regarding the induction cooker, let`s say the pan is your receiving coil and the induction cooker is your transmitting coil. the pan is solid material, so your receiving coil is tightly wound. but if your transmitting coil is tightly wound, you have a magnetic field on the surface. now what happens when you give the magnetic field a litte more space between the windings :)
loosening the windings, would weaken the dielectric field between the windings, increasing self induction
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on May 15th, 2017, 02:16 AM
Quote from Zweistein on May 14th, 2017, 12:54 AM
evostars, could you check next few things please. when your single wire comes out of the coil, before you connect the rectifier or diodes in your case, does a led light up if you connect only one leg. and if you check with a electrical tester screwdriver without touching the metal cap, does it lit up? thnx
A neon bulb, that also resides in a electric screw driver, lights up, with only one leg connected. Sometimes it needs a little "antenna" on the open leg. for the standing wave to resonate.
I havent tried it with a led.
but a 2 color led, with 2 legs (color depends on polarity) does light up when a closed loop is resonating. indicating a standing wave
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: Matt Watts on May 15th, 2017, 06:19 AM
Quote from evostars on May 15th, 2017, 06:01 AM
sometimes i doubt myself. I allow myself to post ideas freely. but then Im scared to be judged or not taken seriously.

but i know im not always right. thats fine
i cant stop people judging me. and its a waist of energy worrying over it.

I would like to be able to trust my intuition.

but im only human
In the end, the only thing that matters is can you make it work?

That judgement is between you and the almighty.  If you're right, you're right.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: Matt Watts on May 19th, 2017, 03:37 AM
Quote from evostars on May 19th, 2017, 02:57 AM
... but the npn gives a positive amplified pulse, while the pnp gives a negative amplified pulse.
Curious Evo, how closely timed together would these two transistors have to be?

Even a matched pair will gate a couple of nanoseconds apart.


Trying to think outside the box (of electronics), suppose we had two oppositely charge plates spaced widely apart and brought them together separated by a thin dielectric at an extreme speed.  Electrically speaking, what kind of a pulse would this manifest?
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on May 19th, 2017, 09:49 AM
the timing is dependend on the same field inside the toroid. the field rises, and then collapses. only due to the opposite winding we can amplify a positive and a negative pulse.

its a idea i want to test. maybe it doesnt work.maybe it does. a really fast pair of npn pnp would be best

for the 2 plates, the charge doesnt change on the plates. the dielectric field is weak at a great distance but strong when at a small distance. still the energy in the field stays the same. as the charge stays the same. so... no pulse?

pulse would mean a discharge of the field
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: Matt Watts on May 19th, 2017, 12:21 PM
Quote from evostars on May 19th, 2017, 09:49 AM
pulse would mean a discharge of the field
Well, that's where I'm a little confused.  Couldn't a pulse simply be a change in dielectric density?

For example with so-called "static electricity", if you have a plastic block sitting on a wooden desk and you rapidly pull it away, you will create a measurable voltage of several hundred and possibly thousands of volts.  This is actually an easy way to destroy sensitive electronic devices.  The physical motion of pulling away creates voltage because of the change in charge density.  I would classify that voltage increase as a pulse, though it's difficult to explain where it actually came from.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on May 19th, 2017, 12:31 PM
Quote from Matt Watts on May 19th, 2017, 12:21 PM
Well, that's where I'm a little confused.  Couldn't a pulse simply be a change in dielectric density?

For example with so-called "static electricity", if you have a plastic block sitting on a wooden desk and you rapidly pull it away, you will create a measurable voltage of several hundred and possibly thousands of volts.  This is actually an easy way to destroy sensitive electronic devices.  The physical motion of pulling away creates voltage because of the change in charge density.  I would classify that voltage increase as a pulse, though it's difficult to explain where it actually came from.
yes interesting.
i dont know. maybe because the dielectric field lines are stretched and snap? leaving the charge on the plastic? as if the table and the plastic had formed a dielectric bond?
 
or would it have to do with rotational speed of the fields that make up the plastic and wood (matter to me is not of particels but fields)

so far as i know a spark, is a collapse of the dielectric field. the lines that were spread, collapse into a single "bundle" of dielectric field lines.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: Matt Watts on May 25th, 2017, 03:54 PM
We understand vibration and thanks to Dale Pond we know about sympathetic vibration.

What might prove useful is to better understand how vibration is an energy source.  My thought is this form of energy is potential--it can be released out of its self-sustaining condition and become kinetic energy.  Mr. Tesla assumed the same.  It's in the gory details of energy release that we need to become familiar with the mechanics of this process.  Somewhere in the exchange between magnetic energy storage and dielectric energy storage is the key to this complexity.

What we have observed from Nelson's Radiant Box is that a mechanism exists to replenish this energy exchange.  My assumption is based around longitudinal waves that have the ability to kinetically transfer energy at a speed higher than the magnetic field can reciprocate.  This creates an imbalance that nature itself compensates for.  The geometry in Nelson's Radiant Box takes advantage of this speed imbalance.  That should be our focus to fully understand how this geometry is able to do what it does.  We also know from Nelson's first Radiant Box that bifilar pancake coils are optimal, but not a mandatory requirement.  So there is a correlation in geometry--multiple ways to achieve the same effect.

In the coming weeks I hope to explore the pancake coil geometry and make an attempt to determine where the magic tends to manifest itself.  I have three designs for PCB-type pancake coils that I will submit to manufacturing.  With that I have what I think is a suitable pulse driver system that should allow me to test various geometries under a pretty wide range of conditions.  The difficult part in all this is knowing where to look in order to have that "ah hah" moment.  This may take some time, but if it's there, I think I can find it.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on May 25th, 2017, 04:03 PM
tnx m@
good to know you are comitted to this.
im in the process to reproduce the longitudinal test of meyl, but with a bifilar coil.
we will get there

Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: Matt Watts on May 25th, 2017, 08:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14FUnJ2zzbI

In other words, whatever we do, we have to love what we do.  As long as we do that, we will converge on the solution, God.  Keep in mind (quite literally), your solution will only work for you and my solution will only work for me.

I'm pretty sure the message Mr. Pond is expressing falls right inline with how Mr. W.B. Smith tried to explain awareness and reality.  It's our awareness of reality that provides us the insight to change our reality.  We create our own destiny.  This may seem like magic--witches and wizards.  It's quite likely this is truly how the universe is wired together.  Thoughts and intentions, guide and control the forms we experience.

As Gunther's tagline states, "If you think you can or you think you can´t, either way you are right."
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on May 26th, 2017, 10:00 AM
i think i can, i believe i can, i feel i can, i know i can

I will

I am


Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: namirha on May 26th, 2017, 02:07 PM
Quote from Matt Watts on May 25th, 2017, 08:08 PM
In other words, whatever we do, we have to love what we do.  As long as we do that, we will converge on the solution, God.  Keep in mind (quite literally), your solution will only work for you and my solution will only work for me.
Dale Pond Explains Keely's Water Implosion Device. Giza Pyramid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AXPn8ibw_4
Quote
On “Mechanical Occultism”

To come back to experimental researches in the sense of Spiritual Science, we must take a wider view of what scientific method involves. Besides results, something else plays a significant part — the mood in which researches are carried on. Herein lies an important point, which can hardly be given too much thought whenever experimental science is practiced on the basis of Spiritual Science. We must aspire to imbue all experimental work with a sacramental character. This by no means concerns only the experimenter and his co-workers, in whose souls is engraved the injunction that the laboratory table should become an altar. It concerns our whole movement – all the friends who give collaboration and support. In so far as we carry out relevant research in the mood of Spiritual Science, and support it spiritually and financially. We are helping in the task of casting out the demons from our technological environment.
http://www.rsarchive.org/RelAuthors/UngerGeorge/MchOcc_index.php
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/bf/11/4f/bf114f205fef17cf89ee40d2c3d67068.jpg)

I wonder how many of you will hold both ends

http://forum.keshefoundation.org/forum/keshe-official/announcements/52839-the-origin-of-the-term-free-energy?p=52887#post52887
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: Matt Watts on May 27th, 2017, 09:37 AM
Quote from evostars on May 27th, 2017, 05:37 AM
a screenshot of nelsons center blue coils, with the white dielectric in between them
Two things I see in this image straight away:

1.  The dielectric (as you mention).
2.  Spacing/separation

I suspect this spacing is related to wavelength which in turn defines phase relationship.  My initial guess would be a 90 degree shift, but it could be something far more complex if we take into consideration wave bounce.  Trying to guess about Nelson's experimentation, I'll bet he separated his two BFPCs and noticed something of significance when they where a certain distance apart from each other.  Some kind of condition where each coil's signal was augmented by the other.  Once he found this proper spacing, he likely added the dielectric to ensure this gap did not get changed.

I'm mostly guessing here, trying to walk in Nelson's shoes, thinking out loud.  There's a logical progression of the steps he took, which he directly told me to follow when watching his silent video series.  I'm certain not every step is in those videos, but enough that we should be able to make the needed connections.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on May 27th, 2017, 10:06 AM
yes i also thought he used the dielectric to fixate the distance. the dielectric also has a hole in the center.

i also noticed the connections. 6 blue wires.
and at the other side another row of connections.

and then there normaly is a third coil, but in this video he removed it to show power tranfer between regular pancake and bifilar pancake.

Nelson sure is a inspiration. that its possible. but to reproduce. no.  much to frustrating, without solid clues.

the augmentation between the coils, yes, in my mind it is the ring vortex, rotatinf in that white dielectric. getting energy from both sides and giving energy to both (opposite) sides



Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: Matt Watts on May 27th, 2017, 11:19 AM
Quote from evostars on May 27th, 2017, 10:06 AM
i also noticed the connections. 6 blue wires.
and at the other side another row of connections.
If each blue coil has six connections, that implies three wires--two certainly bifilar and a monofilar wire too.  But where is this single wire wrapped?  Around the outside?  Inside?   I can't tell for certain.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on May 27th, 2017, 11:24 AM
no not the blue coil, the second row is at the left white coil

https://youtu.be/aEZSCNHDYJs
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on May 27th, 2017, 11:26 AM
so probably 3 connections per coil. perhaps the center tap(bridge between the 2 windings of the bifilar) is included
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: Matt Watts on May 28th, 2017, 03:38 AM
Study, study, study, then study some more...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ0roz9qz0g

Here's what I'm thinking Evo:

Four coils:  Two single layer bifilar blue coils in the middle with proper separation--output coils, probably connected in series.  A white side-by-side bifilar coil injected with high amperage signal from board with heatsink/fan.  Clear speaker wire side-by-side bifilar coil injected with high voltage radiant.  Not real sure on the wire routing, but I'm guessing the yellow transformer is part of Nelson's HV Radiant circuit and is probably connected to the clear coil, somewhere after the full-wave bridge rectifier.

I'm not 100% convinced, but pretty close to it--the pancake coil stack is a mixer.  It's mixing the amperage from the high current magnetic field of the white coil with the HV radiant dielectric field of the clear coil.  The two blue coils pick up their respective fields and combine them, amps times volts, in-phase to produce real power, hot electricity.  Unfortunately, this concept seems so simple most are inclined to reject it, even though I've studied it with the Ruslan device ad nauseam.  It's all about the spins, the vortex, the phasing.  If you get them correct, hybrid hot electricity can be produced from its constituent parts.  The whole trick in this is that the back EMF from the load cannot split up again and go to the correct source of the forward EMF.  Essentially the back EMF goes to the wrong place and does not significantly impact either of the two sources at all--it doesn't have the intelligence to know exactly where it originated from.  So with no load pushing back on those sources, there's your opportunity for overunity.   :-)

If I'm correct, Nelson has figured this out.  An idea, a lot of experimenting and a will to make it happen.  That's the trail we are on and we don't have to go it alone as Nelson did.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on May 28th, 2017, 05:50 AM
combining the magnetic field with the radiant field.
in other words give power to the voltage.
interesting concept.
one side of the blue coil picking up the magnetic field part and the other picking up the radiant voltage part.
due to phase allignment and spin allignment.

I just did a test looking at what happens when the coils are seperated. i got 2 resonant peaks close together at a distance equal to the radius of the hole.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on May 28th, 2017, 08:19 AM
one half of the blue center coil is part of the next bifilar coil field.
while the other blue half is part of the field of the other bifilar coil.

together these 2 blue coil form 1 bifilar coil.

Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: Matt Watts on May 28th, 2017, 11:11 AM
There you go Evo.  That's exactly what I was thinking too.  Nelson is a mixologist.  He's figured out what hybrid hot electricity is, its composition and how it's made.  That's what he means when he states pancake coils are more suitable for this application.

Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on May 28th, 2017, 11:19 AM
it will need high voltage to bridge the dielectric.

then its rectified and transferred into the large capacitor bank. due to the large capacitance the  high voltage is slowly loading the caps. to prevent overloading the 400w motor consumes energy. but still the voltage rises to 300V in the capacitor bank (in his last test video of the radiant box)

the radiant side takes low effort, basicly its only high voltage (low amps).
but the other side, is providing the amps? high current low voltage?
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: Matt Watts on May 28th, 2017, 12:11 PM
Amps, magnetic, TEM, close proximity, distance creates loss.

Volts, dielectric, LMD, radiant, distance not a significant factor except for phase relationship.


The push back from the load, BEMF, is also TEM, so its magnetic component will effect whatever it encounters first when trying to find its way back to the source.  It cannot reach the distance necessary to impact the longitudinal, HV radiant source.  This is why the high amperage source has the big heatsink/fan--it will have to dissipate the BEMF from the load.

So if the magnetic source is 12 volts at 3 amps and the HV radiant is 300 (probably higher) volts at 10mA, we get the mixed power of 3 amps @ 300 volts, but the HV radiant side never sees the back EMF--it's dissipated by the magnetic side.

I don't think Nelson's Radiant Box is perfectly mixing the two sources.  Only a slight amount of mixing would be required to achieve unity operation; anything better is pure overunity.  We only need a COP of 1.3 to be self running.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on May 28th, 2017, 01:16 PM
and the magnetic side has to be in phase to the dielectric side. so both circuit need to be tuned

. easy would be to take one source for the frequency and use it on both circuits.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on May 28th, 2017, 01:17 PM
zvs comes to mind for the high current side
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: Matt Watts on May 28th, 2017, 10:23 PM
Push/Pull is also good and it's tunable.  With Verpies' lossless clamp design you can drive a toroid that then drives the side-by-side bifilar pancake coil with a ton of amps.  I did 300 watts this way no problem.  Connected to a solenoid coil you can get a screwdriver blazing orange.  With a CT I've detected peak to peak current in excess of 100 amps.  The only trouble I ran into is getting enough windings on the toroid, using heavy gauge wire things get pretty tight.  But the more turns you can get, the better the system performs and the more step-down you can get on the secondary.

The beauty of this circuit is that you don't need finely tuned or complex snubbers to keep the MOSFETs from expiring.  If there's no load on the toroid secondary, all that energy gets recycled right back to the power rail.  If you get it right, the system will idle using less than 50mA and draw more than 10 amps under heavy load.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on May 29th, 2017, 01:11 AM
thanx for sharing matt!
nice design that is.

for the toroid, what if instead of a ferrite toroid, we used a close looped bundle of copper wire? a spool of windings but without enamel?  a copper ring?

its not magnetic material, but the induced eddy? would create a current with magnetic field?
but counter rotating... only possible if a bifilar coil was used.

eh not sure about this copper idea. need to wake up properly first :offtobed:

Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: Matt Watts on May 29th, 2017, 02:21 PM
I used the CN80-50-20G nanocrystalline toroid:
http://cwsbytemark.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=206_247

Some of those puppies can transfer a lot of juice.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on May 30th, 2017, 04:25 PM
Matt, what I found out is that the center hole lessens the magnetic field componend of a bifilar coil, we can use that.
at the same time, the voltage (dielectric field) is still strong.

At the magnetic side of the blue center coil from nelson, we should have a bifilar coil with high amps. this coil will couple via the magnetic field. therefor it needs a center hole with the smallest possible diameter. this gives the strongest magnetic field.
This is coupled to one side of the blue center coil. this blue coil has a relative large hole (i like to think phi ratio).

The other side of the blue coil, is part of the same series connection, so it also starts to flow.  it is coupled to the voltage flow of the first blue coil (magnetic). through the dielectric. the magnetic field is not there.  but the voltage induced is coupled between the 2 coils.
There should be a vortex of dielectirc energy inside the dielectric, that is coupled to the right bifilar coil. Pretty powerfull, because its source is the amperes of the magnetic field.
 
 I think, the other outside bifilar coil, is the output coil. but there, its pure radiant voltage. very energetic, due to its high voltage.

But thats the whole thing i dont like. its so much guessing.

My biggest question, is how is this resonant coupling?
Do we use sine wave for the magnetic field? because that wont work in my mind. not with resonance.
and how does he tune down the resonant frequency. those coils should resonate well above 1MHz. is it tuned down with a cap? or is he capable of using those frequencies with high amps?

For me resonance is the key. it has showed so much strange things to me.
For instance the thing with the caduceus coil. (maybe I'll put it in another video) 
when I pulse a bifilar coil into its resonant frequency, I usually connect one end of the coil to ground, so the other end has a  higher voltage swing (like a whipp). 
If I connect a caduceus coil in between the ground and the bifilar coil, the resonant voltage goes up a lot higher.
WHY??? I dont know. but it tells me you can easily amplify voltage. thats important to me.

This resonant voltage is from a standing wave. and that's natural (like musical instruments). In my experiments I found out to add the standing waves up, you need them to be out of phase.

So how does this resonance translate to those coils in nelsons system?
If it works from both sides into the middle, how do we match the phase of those 2 systems? So that the field really couple.
its not only frequency that has to be the same, but also phase. tricky. but not impossible.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: Matt Watts on May 31st, 2017, 01:14 AM
Quote from evostars on May 30th, 2017, 04:25 PM
Matt, what I found out is that the center hole lessens the magnetic field componend of a bifilar coil, we can use that.
at the same time, the voltage (dielectric field) is still strong.
Very good to know.  I was fussing with the center hole concept and it looks like you now have some empirical evidence as to its purpose.
Quote from evostars on May 30th, 2017, 04:25 PM
But thats the whole thing i dont like. its so much guessing.
There will be some guessing, then testing our guesses to see if we are thinking correctly or not.  No avoiding that.
Quote from evostars on May 30th, 2017, 04:25 PM
My biggest question, is how is this resonant coupling?
Do we use sine wave for the magnetic field? because that wont work in my mind. not with resonance.
and how does he tune down the resonant frequency. those coils should resonate well above 1MHz. is it tuned down with a cap? or is he capable of using those frequencies with high amps?
Ruslan mentioned with his device the HV impulses were on the order of 100 times faster than the sine wave current.  Somehow the dielectric field becomes entangled in the magnetic field.  When this happens, you have the hybrid hot electricity we are familiar with.  Extracting this form of electricity isn't trivial though.  Nelson uses pancake coils, so we know it can be done this way.  Ruslan used the grenade coil; the inductor being subjected with high current sine waves around 15kHz and the Tesla secondary antenna shooting impulses at a frequency of about 1.5MHz.  You time the fast signals to hit on the current peak of the much slower sine wave.  Keep in mind that Nelson popped into the Kapanadze thread at overunity.com and probably picked up some good tips he was able to utilize for his device.  He had already posted his Amazing Oscillator demonstration, so he must have known how the process works, but was striving for something of higher power output.

Something we cannot overlook is the back EMF, which is why I made mention to it.  To test what happens, all we need to do is push power backwards into the output of the pancake stack.  What we should see is less power escaping from the current side input of the pancake stack.  That will tell us if we have the stack configured in such a way to defeat Lenz Law.  If we find such a configuration, then try it forwards and see if power does flow well in that direction.  It goes back to your 180 phase relationship.  We want the back EMF to neutralize itself as much as possible while still allowing the forward EMF to pass through as efficiently as possible.  That's our COP adjustment.
Quote from evostars on May 30th, 2017, 04:25 PM
This resonant voltage is from a standing wave. and that's natural (like musical instruments). In my experiments I found out to add the standing waves up, you need them to be out of phase.
I believe the key is odd harmonics.  This is how you create a square wave from sine waves.  Now imagine if the square wave frequency was 0.0001 Hz, that would essentially be straight DC, all built from odd harmonics.



There's a lot of moving pieces in this device and we have to find then keep straight in our heads what works and what doesn't.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: Matt Watts on June 4th, 2017, 09:27 AM
Quote from evostars on June 4th, 2017, 02:22 AM
a ring vortex has  a rotating ring.
the rotational direction is related to the direction the ring vortex moves in.

but from the same direction they entangle. but it requires one moving faster than the other. and the same direction.

if we translate this to the magnetic and dielectric,
one has to be lower in frequency. and their direction needs to be the same.

to transfer this to nelsons setup,
a magnetic vortex coil combines with a dielectric ring vortex coil (blue middle with dielectric).
and a output coil. so the energy moves from one end to the other.

the center coil is not the output. its the dielectric ringvortex. the left coil is the magnetic vortex that combines with the dielectric ring vortex. giving it power. (wrapping around it?)

the output coil only sees the magnetic and dielectric combined fields

In the picture; light blue is the magnetic vortex
green is the dielectric ring vortex
dark blue is the output

first create te dielectric vortex ring.
build a bifilarcoil with a dielectric between the windings (2 unifilar coil series connected with dielectric between them.

second... a hv pulse at resonant frequency.
it needs to be high voltage to bridge the distance between the coils (generates a vortex ring in the dielectric
Create the magnetic vortex ring first, let it propagate to the position between the two blue coils, then subject it to a dielectric discharge.  That's the template for producing hybrid hot electricity that can be collected in the output coil.

Yes Evo, I do believe you have captured the essence of creating electricity from its constituent parts.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on June 4th, 2017, 12:52 PM
thanks Matt.

I do think the dielectric ring toroid in between the two series connected unifilar coil is automaticly there when its in its resonant frequency (together a bifilar)

the magnetic vortex is then sucked into the dielectric ring toroid.

but hey. so far its a thought. we need to build this.

a magnetic toroid ... i dont know.
a toroid is a toroid what would be the differnce if the toroid isnt traveling (confined between blue unifilar coils).
what would define the differnce?

the form of a ether field specifies its characteristics.
so the trick seems to be in tranfsorming the field form.

from a vortex(magnetic) into a ring toroid, that energises the spiral (dielectric of the output coil)
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: Matt Watts on June 4th, 2017, 02:46 PM
The way I see this is we first create a vortex ring, strong on the magnetic side.  Similar technique as used for a smoke ring, just a pop of high current to the pancake coil.  This ring then travels through the first charged bifilar pancake coil and enters into the dielectric region between the two charged bifilar coils.  When it gets there, we rapidly create a discharge between the two bifilar pancake coils.  These coils are acting like capacitor plates, but have the Phi ratio hole in the middle.  The dielectric discharge then engages the magnetic vortex ring (because it has to go somewhere) and wraps dielectric capacity into this vortex ring.  The ring then passes through the second bifilar pancake coil and finally hits the output coil which senses the spinning vortex ring as vibration, now strong with both magnetic and dielectric components.

Thinking about this in visual form, the round wires are actually better suited than flat PCB-type pancake coils, at least on the magnetic coil and the output coil.  They may still work nicely for the HV dielectric coils.  We need to use some judgement on how large/thick the magnetic vortex ring is too.  We want it to be about the same thickness as the dielectric material between the two HV bifilar pancake coil plates.  We also need to think about the polarity and direction of motion of the vortex ring.  If the dielectric discharge tries to go in the opposite direction, the magnetic vortex ring will likely blow apart and we'll see nothing at the output coil.

Where I'm still shaky is what happens when this vortex ring passes through the two bifilar pancake coils being used as capacitor plates.  Do we lose a good portion of the magnetic field?  Do we get a strong current pulse going back to the HV driver?  Do we need some diodes to prevent this?

When Nelson said, "I'd be lying to you if I told you that is all there is to it."  He wasn't kidding.  I'm just hoping when we hit the bench we will be able to tell when we are doing things wrong as well as when we are doing things right.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on June 4th, 2017, 03:13 PM
experimenting and logging data will teach us.

nelson to me:
About your test i'm glad that you could duplicate yourself the " apparently "magnetic field exclusion with your new configuration ;) nice ! Hope you explore this theme and see if that  are only made by high frequency , or something more happen ;)  like stack other pancake coil and look to that like one capacitor exchanging charges between each plate  (two pancake coils ) .

Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on June 4th, 2017, 03:15 PM
he sure can be cryptic with his broken english
:D
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on June 4th, 2017, 03:18 PM
Im watching a part of "the cove" about dolphins.
at 59min 29 sec you can see a dolphin powering a ring vortex with a push of air.
brilliant
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: Matt Watts on June 4th, 2017, 03:30 PM
If we could give a dolphin a pair of arms and hands, he could show us exactly how to build Nelson's device.  Contrary to popular belief, I think typical humans are generally dumber than most of the other creatures on this planet.  We have a long way to go Evo...
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on June 4th, 2017, 03:41 PM
and learn to think with our hearts.
use intuition
telepathic communication.

its all about opening mind and heart

and letting go of the deep false programming of our culture.

letting go of the false magnetic field image
letting go of the electron particle image
letting go of the idea we know all there is to know.
letting go of quantum physics (i never bought it luckily)

we know so little. about vortex technology.

but hej. we've come this far! we will get there.
nelson and many others have shown us.

oh man... i have to turn off this movie
 it shows japanese man killing dolphins.
aaaaargg
:(

Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: Matt Watts on June 9th, 2017, 03:51 PM
Quote from evostars on June 9th, 2017, 02:24 PM
a magnetic field is like a double ringvortex. but polarised. so the ring vortexes come together on the dielectric plane in the middle (bloch wall) but are counter rotating into eachother.(?)

so... what happens to this longitudinal ring vortex component? when the magnetic field collapses?

the dielectric rotation stops. does the magnetic vortex rotation also stop? then the collapse is really like 2 ringvortices turning into eachother. rotation power is gone, but the diameter (voltage component) is still there.
But the question is:  Does the magnetic field actually collapse?   It doesn't in a permanent magnet because the dielectric inertial plain is still there.  So if the dielectric component of the ring vortex is still there, I'm guessing the magnetic component is too--trapped due to field pressure modality.

My feeling is the dielectric component is what determines if the magnetic component survives or not.  When a ring vortex comes apart, I'm betting this is because the dielectric component finds an escape path and dissipates.  This then brings on the apparent magnetic field collapse because it no longer has a container.  This almost sounds too simple, but could well be the real mechanism behind what we observe as magnetic fields building and collapsing.  What may be the apparent slowness of the magnetic field building and collapsing is the rotational speed within the vortex--this would have inertia and would take time to change state.  Spin cannot be instantaneous.

Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: chuff1 on June 9th, 2017, 04:51 PM
     There is alot of different ideas in this thread so allow me to address a few of these ideas.

     First idea is about the plastic block on the wooden table and the removal creating a voltage potential.
Here (https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/82429/why-does-the-voltage-increase-when-capacitor-plates-are-separated) is a website that explains the phenomenon.  Basically when you have two objects they have a
certain capacity and when you separate the two, you decrease the capacity between them due to
each having its own charge (however minute it might be), and due to the drop of capacity the voltage increases for example the Wimshurst generator.

     Second is the idea of using a diamagnetic core for a coil.  The EM field of the coil wrapped around
a closed copper wire core or any diamagnetic material will never interact with each other in a positive
way due to the fields being perpendicular to each other.  The only thing you will get is a very hot core
and a huge load to the driving coil. Here(http://madsci.org/posts/archives/2012-06/1340737504.Ph.r.html) is an engineer answering the question.

     Third is the magnetic field collapsing and the dielectric field.  According to modern theories the
 "Magnetic Field" always has existed but is only channeled with the use of a permanent magnet or
an electromagnet. If we align the paramagnetic atoms from left to right and keep these atoms aligned
 we create an environment for the magnetic field to flow through.  There is another analog to the
magnetic field and that is the Electret(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electret).
This is the alignment of dielectric materials that are held still that will generate an electric field
 just like a magnet.  This(http://www.nuenergy.org/solar-radiant-energy-and-the-electrinium-battery/) is an example of a man taking the concept and applying it to create FE.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on June 9th, 2017, 05:10 PM
ah the electret. often used in cheap microphones.

a quote from wikipedia:
Electrets, like magnets, are dipoles. Another similarity is the radiant fields: They produce an electrostatic field (as opposed to a magnetic field) around their perimeter. When a magnet and an electret are near one another, a rather unusual phenomenon occurs: while stationary, neither has any effect on one another. However, when an electret is moved with respect to a magnetic pole, a force is felt which acts perpendicular to the magnetic field, pushing the electret along a path 90 degrees to the expected direction of 'push' as would be felt with another magnet.

this I recognise as the Hall effect, which I also suspect is happening in the bifilar coil with its strong dielectric field
Title: Questions, comments?
Post by: evostars on December 30th, 2019, 01:28 PM
post them here :)
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: illumination on January 2nd, 2020, 09:55 AM
Someone shared an eye / ear candy video with me that quite upset me due to the nature of Rife's research that seems to be all but forgotten. In it he mentions how harmonics was the key to their results:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBL9pS6GMdA


However, here's the original full length (and some of his other videos):
https://www.youtube.com/user/Novobiotronics/videos


I believe understanding resonance / harmonics holds the key to nearly everything at the moment. In this light I noticed how you tune things and I think driving that home and reiterating this topic is critical. It seems to be a skill and thought process perhaps largely sidelined due to its additional complication. However, having said this, it seems that this is the key to everything that you do since size and position don't matter so much as getting them tuned properly!


Your videos have begun to bring that into a more important focus for me.
Title: tuning the trumpet
Post by: evostars on January 2nd, 2020, 10:19 AM
Quote from illumination on January 2nd, 2020, 09:55 AM
Someone shared an eye / ear candy video with me that quite upset me due to the nature of Rife's research that seems to be all but forgotten. In it he mentions how harmonics was the key to their results:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBL9pS6GMdA


However, here's the original full length (and some of his other videos):
https://www.youtube.com/user/Novobiotronics/videos


I believe understanding resonance / harmonics holds the key to nearly everything at the moment. In this light I noticed how you tune things and I think driving that home and reiterating this topic is critical. It seems to be a skill and thought process perhaps largely sidelined due to its additional complication. However, having said this, it seems that this is the key to everything that you do since size and position don't matter so much as getting them tuned properly!


Your videos have begun to bring that into a more important focus for me.
Yes tuning is essential.
luckily I am very able at it.
the 5 coil setup, with the L3 output in the middle needs to be tuned precisely.

the duration of the impulse from L1 needs to line up with half of L3 period.
L3 needs to be a higher octave of L2 series resonance.

it all needs to lign up.
Than I hope to get  the trumpet wave, steinmetz predicted.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: illumination on January 2nd, 2020, 11:13 AM
I was looking at your "insights" post from July: "insights, How to create a Aether ring vortex" (https://open-source-energy.org/?topic=3462.msg53431#msg53431), but I am not clear on a couple of things in this thread:
1) did you make the video that discusses this topic since this appears to be kind of what you're talking about from your Christmas video + your "Radiant Power produced by solid state Tesla hairpin circuit" video. I was curious as to whether you were going to follow this up with an actual dedicated video to explain this very concept in an isolated fashion or not?


2) are all of the postings within the "insights..." thread a continuation or separate "insights"? You seem to use different titles sometimes so it's a little confusing as to what this entire thread is: https://p153.p0.n0.cdn.getcloudapp.com/items/BluNK6R1/titles.png
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on January 2nd, 2020, 11:27 AM
Quote from illumination on January 2nd, 2020, 11:13 AM
I was looking at your "insights" post from July: "insights, How to create a Aether ring vortex" (https://open-source-energy.org/?topic=3462.msg53431#msg53431), but I am not clear on a couple of things in this thread:
1) did you make the video that discusses this topic since this appears to be kind of what you're talking about from your Christmas video + your "Radiant Power produced by solid state Tesla hairpin circuit" video. I was curious as to whether you were going to follow this up with an actual dedicated video to explain this very concept in an isolated fashion or not?


2) are all of the postings within the "insights..." thread a continuation or separate "insights"? You seem to use different titles sometimes so it's a little confusing as to what this entire thread is: https://p153.p0.n0.cdn.getcloudapp.com/items/BluNK6R1/titles.png
Most are ideas and insights, some are related some not.

future video probably will cover vortex ring, as it is related to L1 and L2 coupling which I want to explain
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: illumination on January 6th, 2020, 04:17 AM
Thought this was interesting and provided some possibly useful isights and research options (up until her nearly final remarks):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6331JXvOUGY
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: Belfior on January 8th, 2020, 02:27 AM
My own conclusion is that magnetic and electric fields create stress in the Ether. Releasing that stress manifests in energy. People have told me that Ether is and outdated concept, but I think this is just a part of the lies we are being fed. Nobody would pay for electricity or work 6 days a week to pay for some imaginary loan, if we can just leave this planet and go claim our own. That's is why it is important to tech people meaningless crap and make them even proud of it.

What I am trying to do personally is to create Ether stress and then use OCD of Nature to provide me with the energy. The beauty of this is that you do not even need to know where the energy comes from. Nature will provide the energy there, if you just arrange circumstances correctly.

Resonance is one thing that can be abused. That is why Master Ivo's video's are right on the money.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: illumination on January 8th, 2020, 09:41 AM
@Belfior I also believe this to be very true at some level. There is an amazing book by Dr. James DeMeo(https://mindreach.net/t/important-book-the-dynamic-ether-of-cosmic-space-correcting-a-major-error-in-modern-science/15540) that was recently released that I believe is critical for everyone to read in terms of understanding that A) the (a)ether is real and B) it was systematically hidden / removed from science over the past 130 years.


I'm glad you say what you have. I've also found that the electric grid system was a really elaborate scheme (scam) to get people to buy into systematized utility dependency. It would not have been necessary if the work of Dayton Miller had not been attacked so viciously. I have thought very highly of Steinmetz over the years, but recently learned that he was part of a communist agenda of creating this system of dependency (I saw the paper trails that clearly show this). It was a big let down for me, but I was glad to have my eyes opened to understand just how critical it is that we not only understand the ether - BUT more importantly - USE the ether in the ways that Master Ivo is so focused on and nobly working towards!
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: Belfior on January 9th, 2020, 05:02 AM
Well I think it took me 39 years to snap out of the hypnosis that was put on me my whole life. I mean currently I feel that 90% of everything we are being fed is a lie or just misinformation. I was a proud "materialist" that believed we are meat sacks and that you got this life and then you die. So already there is the fear put into you that you need to get rich fast and you keep yourself in this prison grinding money for the 1%. You get rich through education so you go to all the schools that imprint the lies onto you more firmly. You become a priest of this cult yourself and you will not any crazy person try to break it.

Then when you finally wake up (if you ever do) you start to see everything through the same critical eyes and do not emotion guide you anymore (meaning they can trigger you to doing things).

Ether is being still actively being killed. Nobody teaches in school that even the great Einstein said that his theories do not describe reality and that a universe is not imaginable without ether. You can find these quotes via google.

I see lotsa people trying to find OU with the knowledge they got from school. You cannot find it that way. School was created so you could not find it. Why would anybody in control allow there to be ideas or schools that actually gave you something to overcome the slavery?!? People are so proud and blind if they studied something and got a degree. Your thesis might be about black holes and are there any such holes? The current scientific dogmas are crumbling and they are frantically being patched with more lies. The modern view of nuclear physics and the structure of the atom is faulty. Einstein's theories have flaws like dividing by 0 or that his unbiased "unprivileged observer" is not only privileged, but it is the only observer.

Went on a full rant here, but to pull this back to the topic I find that Evo is doing valuable work and the most important thing is that he does not just talk Poo like I do. He can prove his stuff on the bench.

I am currently proving my own theories now that I finally got all the gear ready. If I am right we can have free energy tomorrow. If my intuition is wrong I will shut up and start knitting or reading horoscopes.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: illumination on January 9th, 2020, 12:15 PM
You are right on the money @Belfior. You most definitely need to pick up that book as it clarifies some of these points you're making (indirectly, but very powerfully).  It also includes the Einstein quotes (and so many more) to which you refer. Powerful knowledge that needs to be shared far and wide.


So tell me, what does your bench consist of?  I'd very much like a "shopping list" to pull together a bench that won't be deficient.  I suspect I have a lot of what's already needed, but it would be nice to have a list.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: Belfior on January 10th, 2020, 04:23 AM
Well my bench is basically just 2 oscilloscopes, few signal generators and PSUs. Then what ever clear plastic boxes I have that hold individual projects. Then one closet full of gear that I apparently order from China when I'm drunk

My ideology here is that if there is OU to be achieved, then it is kept from us by different means. This is what I would do, if I wanted to sell energy to people. I would tell them all sources are hard to come by and I would hang 6 cables on pylons and not just the 2. Then I charge them for the energy and the infrastructure.

(The new take on this old idea is that thy cut down the Amazon rain forest and then burn the wood in the UK in a "carbon neutral" and "biomass" reactors. People are being scared with CO2 and they are wiling to pay more for this "clean" energy. Except nobody plants new trees and the hide the illegal logging with the forest fires. So no so very neutral, but people are willing to pay 3x the cost, if they can get rid of the energy using guilt with that money.)

Since everything in Nature is beautiful and simple, so must the OU be. It is very likely that it is right infront of our faces and we might already be using it and in some extent we do. So it is hidden in plain sight and the reason we ignore it is because the indoctrination that we receive. If they teach you that "you should never do this" or "This cannot happen" then that is the first thing try.

I am referring to my own work. Ivo just has material that I also use or I am interested at, so what ever he is doing I am not doing so that my efforts are directed to stuff Ivo is not currently studying 

I will be working on my system today and tomorrow

I am documenting my efforts and if there is anything new that comes out I will publish it with schematics and videos on how to replicate it. That is the only way we can be free of this slavery. Trying to get patents or selling out to energy companies is the main reason why we do not have free energy yet.

Why I do not publish anything now is that some of my stuff is way out there and might be totally wrong. There are so many people like that out there, that I do not want to waste anybody's time if I am wrong. Also if I am on the right track then I just make myself a target by telling where I'm going towards. There will be one line news somewhere that a crazy person electrocuted himself trying to find the impossible free energy that cannot exist and then links to regulations on electrical safety. Most likely I also shot myself in the back of my head 3 times while electrocuting myself...

But please use private messaging to ask any further information on my stuff, so that Ivo's thread won't become a rant chat
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: illumination on January 14th, 2020, 07:32 AM
@evostars very interesting new video from Lori Gardi regarding torus simulations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujo0HYcvLoI
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on February 8th, 2020, 03:36 AM
Rant away on this page. it's fine by me.
I won't read all comments, as I am doing The Work, while writing The Book
 ;)
i made a Instagram for sharing some photo's
https://www.instagram.com/master.ivo/(https://www.instagram.com/master.ivo/)

And I'll make a new page on my workbench, for the dual system setup (high and low circuits)
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: illumination on March 22nd, 2020, 08:49 AM
@evostars you may find this magnetic isopotential line measuring interesting in the way of visualization: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwr0eZy7Hk8
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: illumination on June 11th, 2020, 11:01 AM
@evostars these Avramenko plugs are very interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyqghssMuTA
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: illumination on August 2nd, 2020, 10:28 AM
@evostars this new computer animated representation + paper are very interesting in showing the motion of the ether in relation to electric flow on a wire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNljz6fl2u4


Notice his paper: https://vixra.org/pdf/2007.0204v3.pdf



Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: namirha on August 5th, 2020, 06:16 AM
The electrostatic phenomena of attractions and repulsions are attributed to the vibrations of the various elements and to the acoustic fields they produce in the surrounding aether.
The electrigen is conceived as covering the atoms of elements and clinging to them due to the external aether pressure. It evaporates when substances are heated in vacuum, while in chemical reactions it is transferred from one substance to another. In a voltaic cell for example, it is accumulated on the dissolving electrode in an excited state of vibration, and produces a diffusion wave through a wire when one is connected between the two electrodes of the cell.
The electric current is thus a diffusion wave of electrigen that acts mechanically on the surrounding aether at the common interface between the two and produces surface waves in it. The circular motion of aether particles which results constitute the magnetic field observed around a current-carrying wire. This view has further implications on the tenability of Ampere’s formula for electric current elements as well as on our conception of the magnetic field, which will be explored in a future work.
A detailed animation depicting the action of the electrigen diffusion wave on the aether surrounding the wire is in preparation and will be released on YouTube under the title: Aether, Electrigen, and the Magnetic Effect of the Electric Current.

https://vixra.org/pdf/2007.0204v3.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBY7hteMAtg
(https://z-p3-scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/116838239_879953202411405_6937842140883519225_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=swcCR0QmH0QAX9XJWAM&_nc_ht=z-p3-scontent-amt2-1.xx&oh=c4a11506bb3c935f5903dbbf82f9107c&oe=5F4EF5C2)

The New Jerusalem Diagram
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=879625945777464&id=100011901996265

SOURCE
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=879976955742363&id=100011901996265
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: illumination on September 15th, 2020, 08:31 AM
@evostars this new video, which is a model of an ideal magnet, reminds me of your own pancake coil experiments:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVSau_GpzuQ
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: Bkscomp on July 2nd, 2023, 09:00 AM
Hi Evo
I watched your latest video on ground currents.  You mentioned a couple of things that got me thinking. First, you talked about the surface areas of the capacitor plates of a different size. This reminded me of anti-gravity/propulsion that is achieved when a high voltage is applied to what is essentially a capacitor of different plate size anti-gravity/propulsion is achieved.  Search YouTube about MHD.  I suspect ion propulsion doesn’t explain the phenomenon associated with the dielectric field produced between plates of a different surface area.  Secondly, you mentioned that LENZ’s law does not apply.  What will the /counter part to LENZ’s law be for dielectric induction.  It got me thinking of what a dielectric electricity generator would look like
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: --Oz-- on July 6th, 2024, 05:40 PM
Evo, I posted twice on your YT channel, but the comments disappear.
Have you seen this method to adjust the inductance on a coil?
Maybe it could help some of your tuning, just a guess.  :)
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Schematic-diagram-of-the-BDFO-ring-inductor_fig2_258261268
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: --Oz-- on July 16th, 2024, 11:18 PM
Regarding your PMBO schematic, it won't work as the left fet turns on, the current crosses over and the right diode conducts.
Maybe add diodes in the cross paths?
Thoughts?
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: --Oz-- on July 18th, 2024, 10:21 PM
I think I have a better one, what you think?
You can see the moment the fet is switched off, the cemf gets applied to the 2nd coil, both ways.
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: --Oz-- on July 21st, 2024, 12:40 PM
welp, I disagree it wont work, haha
Yes, there is inductance that will resist the cemf, but there is nowhere else it can go, it cant shoot its voltage up like an open circuit would do.
here is a simple ind and fet, nothing else, the cemf shoots up till the fet breaks down at ~30v (blue trace), you can see the coils current discharge through the fet for the fet avalanche duration (green trace), red trace is gate.

In the second picture I have both fets running and the diodes installed.
red gate,
Blue drain,
green ind current,
yellow 2nd inductor current.

In the 3rd picture, I moved the yellow current probe to the diode connecting to fet1 drain diode, showing the current transfering to the 2nd ind.

I think I need better control of the gate freq and delay turning on the fets to allow the ind energy to transfer to the other ind before turning on the next fet.

Thoughts
Title: Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
Post by: evostars on July 23rd, 2024, 08:47 AM
Thanks Oz,
but got my mind focussed on other stuff,
so no Thoughts on this right now