The Fastest Way (for me) to Build Stan's Circuit and to Create a WFC kit

[Amsy]

(06-22-2012 08:18 PM)Faisca Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 01:57 PM)Amsy Wrote:  In the very beginning of my tests, I tried to produce the step charging effect in the simulation, after hours of simulating it was clear for me, that the "Step Charging" characteristic is nearly 100% of the loading characteristic of the inductor. Not of the capacity. Because the capacity is very small in comparison to the L.
So when pulsing the inductor it takes a litte time, then the full amount of current can go through. (like real DC). (Attachment 1) It looks like the C would load in steps, but thats the inductor, which will react like that.
This curve can be manipulated with the L, the frequency and the R of the WFC. But, the voltage is smaller as the input voltage, and the current will rise after a few pulses.

Depending on the voltage source, the resistance of the water will be more or less.
I used the equivalent circuit diagramm of Stanley Meyers Patent. But the only factor which change something is the resistance in the water. But I know always, that a simulation can never be like a real WFC/Circuit. it´s nearly impossible to bring in all values of the WFC. Also my consideration about the C in the WFC was, that the C -when the WFC is in action- will never be constant because of the flowing of the HHO bubbles. So is another factor, which can not be simulated.... better to test on real circuits.

I only can say, that the behaviour of the circuit is like normal electrotechnical behaviour. Also in my test, all electrotechnical laws are valid.

see it!
In their simulation, the result of "cell", is wave "sawtooth" nothing to do with what I showed.
This is important, let's stop dreaming of fantasies, and take what we have. There is no charge capacitor / inductor without energy, there's always a cost. So this waveform I show, is very important, it represents a great strength Instantané, at low cost. Can be compared to an ignition system ("CDI") or a modulator radar (microwave), or an echo sounder (pulses of short duration with 10kW. At a cost of less than 20W.).
In a conventional electrolysis, we can have 2V with 20A continuous. With the same energy cost (= 40VA), can (with resonant pulses) to 100V with 50A or more by instantaneous pulses (=> 5000VA). I know they are very narrow and separate pulses (greater period without power), but the equal of the examples I cited above, all work.
Think about it ..... or better yet, try it!

I see now what happend. I misunderstood the waveform of your drawings. But thats no big deal because it also shows, that with every puls the voltage will be bigger on the WFC.
By the way, I stopped dreaming, since I have usable measurments of my tests which cost a lot of time and money.

[Faisca]

(06-24-2012 03:47 AM)Amsy Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 08:18 PM)Faisca Wrote:  

(06-22-2012 01:57 PM)Amsy Wrote:  In the very beginning of my tests, I tried to produce the step charging effect in the simulation, after hours of simulating it was clear for me, that the "Step Charging" characteristic is nearly 100% of the loading characteristic of the inductor. Not of the capacity. Because the capacity is very small in comparison to the L.
So when pulsing the inductor it takes a litte time, then the full amount of current can go through. (like real DC). (Attachment 1) It looks like the C would load in steps, but thats the inductor, which will react like that.
This curve can be manipulated with the L, the frequency and the R of the WFC. But, the voltage is smaller as the input voltage, and the current will rise after a few pulses.

Depending on the voltage source, the resistance of the water will be more or less.
I used the equivalent circuit diagramm of Stanley Meyers Patent. But the only factor which change something is the resistance in the water. But I know always, that a simulation can never be like a real WFC/Circuit. it´s nearly impossible to bring in all values of the WFC. Also my consideration about the C in the WFC was, that the C -when the WFC is in action- will never be constant because of the flowing of the HHO bubbles. So is another factor, which can not be simulated.... better to test on real circuits.

I only can say, that the behaviour of the circuit is like normal electrotechnical behaviour. Also in my test, all electrotechnical laws are valid.

see it!
In their simulation, the result of "cell", is wave "sawtooth" nothing to do with what I showed.
This is important, let's stop dreaming of fantasies, and take what we have. There is no charge capacitor / inductor without energy, there's always a cost. So this waveform I show, is very important, it represents a great strength Instantané, at low cost. Can be compared to an ignition system ("CDI") or a modulator radar (microwave), or an echo sounder (pulses of short duration with 10kW. At a cost of less than 20W.).
In a conventional electrolysis, we can have 2V with 20A continuous. With the same energy cost (= 40VA), can (with resonant pulses) to 100V with 50A or more by instantaneous pulses (=> 5000VA). I know they are very narrow and separate pulses (greater period without power), but the equal of the examples I cited above, all work.
Think about it ..... or better yet, try it!

I see now what happend. I misunderstood the waveform of your drawings. But thats no big deal because it also shows, that with every puls the voltage will be bigger on the WFC.
By the way, I stopped dreaming, since I have usable measurments of my tests which cost a lot of time and money.

What I have shown, no big deal?
This is the strangest thing, I noticed in all the experiments conducted by myself. And this is a result which is only obtained with an inductor and a cell where it is clear that the cell is a different component of a capacitor, is unique.
Note carefully: the load curve, describing an arc upward exponentially. not a logarithmic curve, where the continuation of the load, tends to infinite in the horizontal, in this case, the continuation of the load tends to infinity vertically.
I forgot to comment on one thing: in this case, the bubbles appear in the middle of the gap, not the walls of the tubes.
You know what the speed of the ions in the water? I'm not sure, but a gap = 1 mm. is somewhere around 3 seconds (for a Amper). This reminds Puharich something?