Stanley Meyer Water Car Injector Drawings For The Water Powered Buggy!

[FloatyBoaty]

Hey, sorry again for coming in so late in the game. I have a couple questions though.

Is there a list of parts and and steps to convert an engine to run on water?
Does anybody have approximate prices for this stuff?

Before now, I didn't see a way I could actually try to do this, but then it hit me that I could do this for someone who had money. I - and everyone here - could start with one car, then move on to more cars as the word spreads.

[firepinto]

(05-26-2012 11:34 AM)FloatyBoaty Wrote:  Hey, sorry again for coming in so late in the game. I have a couple questions though.

Is there a list of parts and and steps to convert an engine to run on water?
Does anybody have approximate prices for this stuff?

Before now, I didn't see a way I could actually try to do this, but then it hit me that I could do this for someone who had money. I - and everyone here - could start with one car, then move on to more cars as the word spreads.

There is a lot of work to do before that can happen. The systems are still being reverse engineered. There are many sub systems that make up the entire WFC system. Each system needs to be completed and working first. This is all still about research!

Nate

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(05-26-2012 11:05 AM)absolutelynobody Wrote:  Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z FLASH MESSAGE Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z

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Hello again. Second post. A few thoughts to pass along to you big guy (Russ). Sorry about the theatrics above, but I
wanted to get your attention before something very bad could possibly take place. ( the above type message is used
by the military during hostilities/wartime to get vital information to command leadership immediately ) I watched your
most recent videos regarding the WFC Injector Assembly. I don't have a lot of time anymore, so I will be very brief
(for me) and to the point. Please do not take my writing style I am about to use as being rude, I just need to get my
points across quickly. Here goes. Russ, what are you going to screw that injector assembly into?!?! Are you going to
to screw it into a 1960's or 1970's VW type 1 (beetle) air cooled engine like Stan did? What point am I trying to make?
I would sure as hell HATE to see you and other people out there WASTE a lot of time, energy AND money to produce
a WFC Injector assembly that will not fit on perhaps 75% of the car engines on the road today. My point is that I have not
heard one word as to what you plan on screwing that injector into for testing once it is done. And unless you have a
horizontally opposed 4 cylinder air cooled VW engine like Stan was testing on, how do you know it will fit on what you
will be using as a test mule? Have you even decided what vehicle/engine type you will be using for testing????? The ton
of bricks should be hitting you right about now. I may be wrong, but you could be trying to make something that won't
fit anything that you have, and buying/being forced to use something else for testing is just going to cost you more cha ching!!!
My personal suggestion is for you to get out your lathe again and get a piece of round steel and turn it down to fit the
outside dimensions of the WFC Injector dimensions. You can MARK where the water fitting, the electrical ground connection, all
the stuff that would be hooked up to it, by using your caliper to get a very close mockup of what the finished injector would
look like. Once again, just a shell. And take that shell over to your car and pop the hood. Take out a spark plug, and slide
your shell on down into the spark plug hole. The heads on the engines today are a LOT different than what Stan was using.
As you know the plugs on most modern engines are not exposed. They are located down, sometimes way, way down in
holes cast into the heads in a attempt to position the plug in the best possible place for combustion. Now let me ask you,
does your mockup shell slide into your engines spark plug "well" ??? Now if it does, will the port where the water fitting
attaches to the injector clear the head?? Remember your shell will not have threads on it, so you will have to remember
that once the injector is screwed into the head the WATER PORT will be approximately one half of a inch (length of threads)
closer to the cylinder head. Does the water port still clear the head?? How about the ground connector?? One other MAJOR
THING to take into consideration is that the plug Stan made has "flats" machined on the side of the injector body so that a
combination wrench or a crescent wrench can be used to tighten the injector. This area is located BELOW the water fitting,
so a socket cannot be slid down the injector to tighten it. So with the injector sitting in the spark plug hole will you be able to use
a wrench to tighten it?? Now take out each plug one by one and check to make sure the injector will fit EACH spark plug hole
correctly without any clearance issues. Just because the injector fits one spark plug hole correctly DOES NOT mean it
will fit the others. Will the injector as Stan designed it fit on any engine that you have?? Stan made
his to fit the old VW engine, it's now more than twenty years later, and to say engine designs have changed would be putting it
very mildly. You are more than likely going to have to change the design to ensure a fit on today's engines. If you plan on
testing on a small engine remember the diameter and threads per inch are normally different than a automotive engine.
One other thing while I am thinking about it. Stan went to a lot of trouble to make a homemade injector circuit to fire his injectors.
I hope you do not intend to reinvent the wheel. In order to inject water at the correct instant for ignition/combustion to take place
use the on board electronics for fuel delivery ( we're talking water here!!!) and ignition. If you have already taken all of these details
into consideration and have solutions for them please disregard this post. I just thought of another problem you are going to have.
I am going to have to look into seeing if there is a solution readily available. I am now out of time. You can believe me or not believe me,
you just have to believe that I am absolutelynobody.

In my opinion worrying about the injectors fitting an engine is not what we need to worry about right now. We need to know how to make these units function and their properties like burn rate and such. Russ does a very good job at testing things like this, which needs to be done. If I had to guess the "burn-O-meter" will be the first thing the injector sparkplug gets installed on. Data can then be compiled from those tests.

On the subject of newer vehicles, you are correct that some of the engines are pretty much impossible to fit such a device into where the sparkplug goes. Though some new cars come with direct injection now, which could open up new ideas for WFC's. It isn't hard to find an old VW engine like Stan's, Irondmax has one in his garage now waiting to run on water. Personally I don't think it is worth the headaches to deal with an OEM engine managment system. I say leave current auto manufactures out of the picture. If I was going to build water cars, I'd be using large motorcycle engines like what is in the Hyabusa. Lots of room for crazy spark plug stuff.

Nate

[phil]

(05-26-2012 12:35 PM)firepinto Wrote:  

(05-26-2012 11:34 AM)FloatyBoaty Wrote:  Hey, sorry again for coming in so late in the game. I have a couple questions though.

Is there a list of parts and and steps to convert an engine to run on water?
Does anybody have approximate prices for this stuff?

Before now, I didn't see a way I could actually try to do this, but then it hit me that I could do this for someone who had money. I - and everyone here - could start with one car, then move on to more cars as the word spreads.

There is a lot of work to do before that can happen. The systems are still being reverse engineered. There are many sub systems that make up the entire WFC system. Each system needs to be completed and working first. This is all still about research!

Nate

---

(05-26-2012 11:05 AM)absolutelynobody Wrote:  Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z FLASH MESSAGE Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z

ABORT MISSION.... REPEAT.... ABORT MISSION.... LATEST INTELLIGENCE ON ATTEMPTED MISSION
SHOWS POSSIBLE STUNNING DEFEAT OF PLANNED OBJECTIVE ABORT MISSION.... ABORT MISSION
.... STAND DOWN UNTIL NEW OBTAINED INTELLIGENCE CAN BE USED TO ENSURE SUCCESS OF
MISSION... END MESSAGE

Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z FLASH MESSAGE Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z

Hello again. Second post. A few thoughts to pass along to you big guy (Russ). Sorry about the theatrics above, but I
wanted to get your attention before something very bad could possibly take place. ( the above type message is used
by the military during hostilities/wartime to get vital information to command leadership immediately ) I watched your
most recent videos regarding the WFC Injector Assembly. I don't have a lot of time anymore, so I will be very brief
(for me) and to the point. Please do not take my writing style I am about to use as being rude, I just need to get my
points across quickly. Here goes. Russ, what are you going to screw that injector assembly into?!?! Are you going to
to screw it into a 1960's or 1970's VW type 1 (beetle) air cooled engine like Stan did? What point am I trying to make?
I would sure as hell HATE to see you and other people out there WASTE a lot of time, energy AND money to produce
a WFC Injector assembly that will not fit on perhaps 75% of the car engines on the road today. My point is that I have not
heard one word as to what you plan on screwing that injector into for testing once it is done. And unless you have a
horizontally opposed 4 cylinder air cooled VW engine like Stan was testing on, how do you know it will fit on what you
will be using as a test mule? Have you even decided what vehicle/engine type you will be using for testing????? The ton
of bricks should be hitting you right about now. I may be wrong, but you could be trying to make something that won't
fit anything that you have, and buying/being forced to use something else for testing is just going to cost you more cha ching!!!
My personal suggestion is for you to get out your lathe again and get a piece of round steel and turn it down to fit the
outside dimensions of the WFC Injector dimensions. You can MARK where the water fitting, the electrical ground connection, all
the stuff that would be hooked up to it, by using your caliper to get a very close mockup of what the finished injector would
look like. Once again, just a shell. And take that shell over to your car and pop the hood. Take out a spark plug, and slide
your shell on down into the spark plug hole. The heads on the engines today are a LOT different than what Stan was using.
As you know the plugs on most modern engines are not exposed. They are located down, sometimes way, way down in
holes cast into the heads in a attempt to position the plug in the best possible place for combustion. Now let me ask you,
does your mockup shell slide into your engines spark plug "well" ??? Now if it does, will the port where the water fitting
attaches to the injector clear the head?? Remember your shell will not have threads on it, so you will have to remember
that once the injector is screwed into the head the WATER PORT will be approximately one half of a inch (length of threads)
closer to the cylinder head. Does the water port still clear the head?? How about the ground connector?? One other MAJOR
THING to take into consideration is that the plug Stan made has "flats" machined on the side of the injector body so that a
combination wrench or a crescent wrench can be used to tighten the injector. This area is located BELOW the water fitting,
so a socket cannot be slid down the injector to tighten it. So with the injector sitting in the spark plug hole will you be able to use
a wrench to tighten it?? Now take out each plug one by one and check to make sure the injector will fit EACH spark plug hole
correctly without any clearance issues. Just because the injector fits one spark plug hole correctly DOES NOT mean it
will fit the others. Will the injector as Stan designed it fit on any engine that you have?? Stan made
his to fit the old VW engine, it's now more than twenty years later, and to say engine designs have changed would be putting it
very mildly. You are more than likely going to have to change the design to ensure a fit on today's engines. If you plan on
testing on a small engine remember the diameter and threads per inch are normally different than a automotive engine.
One other thing while I am thinking about it. Stan went to a lot of trouble to make a homemade injector circuit to fire his injectors.
I hope you do not intend to reinvent the wheel. In order to inject water at the correct instant for ignition/combustion to take place
use the on board electronics for fuel delivery ( we're talking water here!!!) and ignition. If you have already taken all of these details
into consideration and have solutions for them please disregard this post. I just thought of another problem you are going to have.
I am going to have to look into seeing if there is a solution readily available. I am now out of time. You can believe me or not believe me,
you just have to believe that I am absolutelynobody.

In my opinion worrying about the injectors fitting an engine is not what we need to worry about right now. We need to know how to make these units function and their properties like burn rate and such. Russ does a very good job at testing things like this, which needs to be done. If I had to guess the "burn-O-meter" will be the first thing the injector sparkplug gets installed on. Data can then be compiled from those tests.

On the subject of newer vehicles, you are correct that some of the engines are pretty much impossible to fit such a device into where the sparkplug goes. Though some new cars come with direct injection now, which could open up new ideas for WFC's. It isn't hard to find an old VW engine like Stan's, Irondmax has one in his garage now waiting to run on water. Personally I don't think it is worth the headaches to deal with an OEM engine managment system. I say leave current auto manufactures out of the picture. If I was going to build water cars, I'd be using large motorcycle engines like what is in the Hyabusa. Lots of room for crazy spark plug stuff.

Nate

If i had a set of water sparkplugs id cut holes in the hood of my car if i had to!

Hyabusas are fast!

What about a smart for2. 2 seater 600cc 3 cylinder engine?


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Not exactly formula one but its the smallest engine car i could find.

Oh it gets worse , a 624cc 2 cylinder engine. But at least its a four seater for those family days out.

   

Hey check this out russ, I could see you cruising around in this one, plenty of room for cells and electronics.

   

[BRUXXUS]

(05-26-2012 11:05 AM)absolutelynobody Wrote:  Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z FLASH MESSAGE Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z

ABORT MISSION.... REPEAT.... ABORT MISSION.... LATEST INTELLIGENCE ON ATTEMPTED MISSION
SHOWS POSSIBLE STUNNING DEFEAT OF PLANNED OBJECTIVE ABORT MISSION.... ABORT MISSION
.... STAND DOWN UNTIL NEW OBTAINED INTELLIGENCE CAN BE USED TO ENSURE SUCCESS OF
MISSION... END MESSAGE

Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z FLASH MESSAGE Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z

Hello again. Second post. A few thoughts to pass along to you big guy (Russ). Sorry about the theatrics above, but I
wanted to get your attention before something very bad could possibly take place. ( the above type message is used
by the military during hostilities/wartime to get vital information to command leadership immediately ) I watched your
most recent videos regarding the WFC Injector Assembly. I don't have a lot of time anymore, so I will be very brief
(for me) and to the point. Please do not take my writing style I am about to use as being rude, I just need to get my
points across quickly. Here goes. Russ, what are you going to screw that injector assembly into?!?! Are you going to
to screw it into a 1960's or 1970's VW type 1 (beetle) air cooled engine like Stan did? What point am I trying to make?
I would sure as hell HATE to see you and other people out there WASTE a lot of time, energy AND money to produce
a WFC Injector assembly that will not fit on perhaps 75% of the car engines on the road today. My point is that I have not
heard one word as to what you plan on screwing that injector into for testing once it is done. And unless you have a
horizontally opposed 4 cylinder air cooled VW engine like Stan was testing on, how do you know it will fit on what you
will be using as a test mule? Have you even decided what vehicle/engine type you will be using for testing????? The ton
of bricks should be hitting you right about now. I may be wrong, but you could be trying to make something that won't
fit anything that you have, and buying/being forced to use something else for testing is just going to cost you more cha ching!!!
My personal suggestion is for you to get out your lathe again and get a piece of round steel and turn it down to fit the
outside dimensions of the WFC Injector dimensions. You can MARK where the water fitting, the electrical ground connection, all
the stuff that would be hooked up to it, by using your caliper to get a very close mockup of what the finished injector would
look like. Once again, just a shell. And take that shell over to your car and pop the hood. Take out a spark plug, and slide
your shell on down into the spark plug hole. The heads on the engines today are a LOT different than what Stan was using.
As you know the plugs on most modern engines are not exposed. They are located down, sometimes way, way down in
holes cast into the heads in a attempt to position the plug in the best possible place for combustion. Now let me ask you,
does your mockup shell slide into your engines spark plug "well" ??? Now if it does, will the port where the water fitting
attaches to the injector clear the head?? Remember your shell will not have threads on it, so you will have to remember
that once the injector is screwed into the head the WATER PORT will be approximately one half of a inch (length of threads)
closer to the cylinder head. Does the water port still clear the head?? How about the ground connector?? One other MAJOR
THING to take into consideration is that the plug Stan made has "flats" machined on the side of the injector body so that a
combination wrench or a crescent wrench can be used to tighten the injector. This area is located BELOW the water fitting,
so a socket cannot be slid down the injector to tighten it. So with the injector sitting in the spark plug hole will you be able to use
a wrench to tighten it?? Now take out each plug one by one and check to make sure the injector will fit EACH spark plug hole
correctly without any clearance issues. Just because the injector fits one spark plug hole correctly DOES NOT mean it
will fit the others. Will the injector as Stan designed it fit on any engine that you have?? Stan made
his to fit the old VW engine, it's now more than twenty years later, and to say engine designs have changed would be putting it
very mildly. You are more than likely going to have to change the design to ensure a fit on today's engines. If you plan on
testing on a small engine remember the diameter and threads per inch are normally different than a automotive engine.
One other thing while I am thinking about it. Stan went to a lot of trouble to make a homemade injector circuit to fire his injectors.
I hope you do not intend to reinvent the wheel. In order to inject water at the correct instant for ignition/combustion to take place
use the on board electronics for fuel delivery ( we're talking water here!!!) and ignition. If you have already taken all of these details
into consideration and have solutions for them please disregard this post. I just thought of another problem you are going to have.
I am going to have to look into seeing if there is a solution readily available. I am now out of time. You can believe me or not believe me,
you just have to believe that I am absolutelynobody.

These are all very valid points, although not a concern at the current stage of development. One point that probably should be considered right away is at least being able to fit these prototypes into SOME engine. Maybe the generator? VW Engines are readily available and affordable, might be good for researchers all over because of that reason. If the prototype plug ends up working, it'd be a shame that the last step in testing is would be the Burn-O-Meter. However, being able to replicate results is the key to any experiment, and following procedure as precisely as possible is essential.

Seems to me like WFC Plug design is heavily adaptable because the most important portion is at the business end, everything from that point back could most likely be designed to fit into any engine without a problem, especially since the original coils wouldn't be needed anymore. Suppose we'll cross that bridge when we get to it, though.

Either way, I am SUPER stoked about all this and can't wait to see someone holding a finished injector here in 2012!

[Jeff Nading]

(05-26-2012 04:21 PM)BRUXXUS Wrote:  

(05-26-2012 11:05 AM)absolutelynobody Wrote:  Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z FLASH MESSAGE Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z

ABORT MISSION.... REPEAT.... ABORT MISSION.... LATEST INTELLIGENCE ON ATTEMPTED MISSION
SHOWS POSSIBLE STUNNING DEFEAT OF PLANNED OBJECTIVE ABORT MISSION.... ABORT MISSION
.... STAND DOWN UNTIL NEW OBTAINED INTELLIGENCE CAN BE USED TO ENSURE SUCCESS OF
MISSION... END MESSAGE

Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z FLASH MESSAGE Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z

Hello again. Second post. A few thoughts to pass along to you big guy (Russ). Sorry about the theatrics above, but I
wanted to get your attention before something very bad could possibly take place. ( the above type message is used
by the military during hostilities/wartime to get vital information to command leadership immediately ) I watched your
most recent videos regarding the WFC Injector Assembly. I don't have a lot of time anymore, so I will be very brief
(for me) and to the point. Please do not take my writing style I am about to use as being rude, I just need to get my
points across quickly. Here goes. Russ, what are you going to screw that injector assembly into?!?! Are you going to
to screw it into a 1960's or 1970's VW type 1 (beetle) air cooled engine like Stan did? What point am I trying to make?
I would sure as hell HATE to see you and other people out there WASTE a lot of time, energy AND money to produce
a WFC Injector assembly that will not fit on perhaps 75% of the car engines on the road today. My point is that I have not
heard one word as to what you plan on screwing that injector into for testing once it is done. And unless you have a
horizontally opposed 4 cylinder air cooled VW engine like Stan was testing on, how do you know it will fit on what you
will be using as a test mule? Have you even decided what vehicle/engine type you will be using for testing????? The ton
of bricks should be hitting you right about now. I may be wrong, but you could be trying to make something that won't
fit anything that you have, and buying/being forced to use something else for testing is just going to cost you more cha ching!!!
My personal suggestion is for you to get out your lathe again and get a piece of round steel and turn it down to fit the
outside dimensions of the WFC Injector dimensions. You can MARK where the water fitting, the electrical ground connection, all
the stuff that would be hooked up to it, by using your caliper to get a very close mockup of what the finished injector would
look like. Once again, just a shell. And take that shell over to your car and pop the hood. Take out a spark plug, and slide
your shell on down into the spark plug hole. The heads on the engines today are a LOT different than what Stan was using.
As you know the plugs on most modern engines are not exposed. They are located down, sometimes way, way down in
holes cast into the heads in a attempt to position the plug in the best possible place for combustion. Now let me ask you,
does your mockup shell slide into your engines spark plug "well" ??? Now if it does, will the port where the water fitting
attaches to the injector clear the head?? Remember your shell will not have threads on it, so you will have to remember
that once the injector is screwed into the head the WATER PORT will be approximately one half of a inch (length of threads)
closer to the cylinder head. Does the water port still clear the head?? How about the ground connector?? One other MAJOR
THING to take into consideration is that the plug Stan made has "flats" machined on the side of the injector body so that a
combination wrench or a crescent wrench can be used to tighten the injector. This area is located BELOW the water fitting,
so a socket cannot be slid down the injector to tighten it. So with the injector sitting in the spark plug hole will you be able to use
a wrench to tighten it?? Now take out each plug one by one and check to make sure the injector will fit EACH spark plug hole
correctly without any clearance issues. Just because the injector fits one spark plug hole correctly DOES NOT mean it
will fit the others. Will the injector as Stan designed it fit on any engine that you have?? Stan made
his to fit the old VW engine, it's now more than twenty years later, and to say engine designs have changed would be putting it
very mildly. You are more than likely going to have to change the design to ensure a fit on today's engines. If you plan on
testing on a small engine remember the diameter and threads per inch are normally different than a automotive engine.
One other thing while I am thinking about it. Stan went to a lot of trouble to make a homemade injector circuit to fire his injectors.
I hope you do not intend to reinvent the wheel. In order to inject water at the correct instant for ignition/combustion to take place
use the on board electronics for fuel delivery ( we're talking water here!!!) and ignition. If you have already taken all of these details
into consideration and have solutions for them please disregard this post. I just thought of another problem you are going to have.
I am going to have to look into seeing if there is a solution readily available. I am now out of time. You can believe me or not believe me,
you just have to believe that I am absolutelynobody.

These are all very valid points, although not a concern at the current stage of development. One point that probably should be considered right away is at least being able to fit these prototypes into SOME engine. Maybe the generator? VW Engines are readily available and affordable, might be good for researchers all over because of that reason. If the prototype plug ends up working, it'd be a shame that the last step in testing is would be the Burn-O-Meter. However, being able to replicate results is the key to any experiment, and following procedure as precisely as possible is essential.

Seems to me like WFC Plug design is heavily adaptable because the most important portion is at the business end, everything from that point back could most likely be designed to fit into any engine without a problem, especially since the original coils wouldn't be needed anymore. Suppose we'll cross that bridge when we get to it, though.

Either way, I am SUPER stoked about all this and can't wait to see someone holding a finished injector here in 2012!

Good goal to shoot for, I think we would all like that, Jeff.

[HMS-776]

absolutelynobody,

As others have said we are still in the research phase.

There are no videos or proof that the injector system worked. (There is one picture in a news release but it's hard to even see.) Those who are more in the know have said the injector system was not finished when Stan died. That the injector setup had a hard time starting and would only get the engine idling roughly.

Right now we are all just trying to get things to work so that we can better understand them. When that point comes we will work on getting them in a car, but that's probably a long ways down the road.

---

BTW,

Is anyone working on injector bobbins or SS430 wire?

I have a mini-lathe which I used to make some injector bobbins before but it took an enormous amount of time to do, and honestly I'm not sure if I want to make another.....Does anyone have a CNC or is anyone selling any?

[Jeff Nading]

(05-26-2012 08:34 PM)HMS-776 Wrote:  absolutelynobody,

As others have said we are still in the research phase.

There are no videos or proof that the injector system worked. (There is one picture in a news release but it's hard to even see.) Those who are more in the know have said the injector system was not finished when Stan died. That the injector setup had a hard time starting and would only get the engine idling roughly.

Right now we are all just trying to get things to work so that we can better understand them. When that point comes we will work on getting them in a car, but that's probably a long ways down the road.

---

BTW,

Is anyone working on injector bobbins or SS430 wire?

I have a mini-lathe which I used to make some injector bobbins before but it took an enormous amount of time to do, and honestly I'm not sure if I want to make another.....Does anyone have a CNC or is anyone selling any?

Firepinto is working on a 3d printer with duel extruders mounted to it, that will be able to print those bobbins, he's still building it though.

[securesupplies]

Food For Thought

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Thank you Stanley Meyers & Stephen Meyers

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Quartz - Ultra-hard material for machining of components and parts

Silicon Carbide -This material has a high strength, low density, oxidation resistance (reaction bonded) characteristics. Quality thermal shock resistance, high hardness, wear resistance, low thermal expansion and electrical conductivity.

Silcon Nitride - High Thermal Conductivity – Electrical Insulator – Corrosion Resistant. Totally dense material having a scope of compositions that can be manufactured cost effectively including complex forms and shapes.

Titanium Carbide - Extremely hard material with high tech properties used for such products as wear parts, heat shields, tool bits, and resistant coatings.
Titanium Diboride - Extraordinary hardness fully dense, hot pressed, electrically conductive ceramic with exceptional hardness. Titanium Diboride can be machined using conventional technique. Used in sputtering targets, wear components.

Titanium Nitride - Thin film hard coating for medical, aerospace and wear resistance parts and components.

Titanium Oxide - Applications for high thermal conductivity, corrosion resistant, low friction, strength moderate, high dielectric properties, and electrical conductivity.

Zirconia - Zerconia ceramics have high mechanical strength and toughness. Excellent surface smoothness.

Zirconium Carbide - Excellent hardness, high melting point & strength, superior electrical conductivity
Zerconium Oxide - High density, high temperature capability up to 2400°C, with high strength and fracture toughness, high hardness and wear resistance and good chemical resistance.

SPECIAL NOTE

To those of you getting excited and involved now,

Please allocated a percentage of your time to

1. Saving all pages in a organised folder way, and you too back it up again on a removable drive.

2.Saving the Videos Go through you tube videos from Russ and Others and Dowload load them in mp4 format you can use http://www.downloadhelper.net/
a well proven video saver in flv and mp4, reason you want to save mp4 you can re upload to other sites easily and share.

3. Come up with ingenious ways low profile to raise donations for RWG Research.
This could be helping russ consolidate orders, make website for ordeirng that have a clear donation option For RWG.

4. Remember Stephen Meyers was Stan Meyers Twin Brother and say a pray for them both for working hard to think up ways to design things and to Leave us the knowledge in term and words we lead us to the answer every time Thank you Boys.

5. Welcome the young un jaded and Skilled to the Forum , they are the future.

[HMS-776]

FIREPINTO AND RUSS

I noticed the Google Sketchup drawing of the VIC has only 13 cavities. I also noticed in your video Russ that you said something about there only being 13 cavities.

I ran the calculations on paper and also using a multi-layer coil calculator. Both showed that 14 cavities are needed to achieve the 11.6K ohms per coil. Just wanted to make sure you guys know. I also measured Stan's original 430 SS wire at .0055" which tells us it is single build 36AWG wire.

I have ran a lot of numbers and done a good amount of research over the years on this coil, if you want any more info let me know. I am happy to share!

[HillBillyBob]

(05-27-2012 02:15 AM)securesupplies Wrote:  

Electrode Materials .....

You forgot Tungsten. Remember
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Langmuir
and also Graneu's experiments.

[securesupplies]

I am posting to increase common knowledge of materials,
i draw no conclusions, if you have better on this please post

Daniel

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I am posting to increase common knowledge of materials,
i draw no conclusions, if you have better on this please post

Daniel

[HMS-776]

Securesupplies,

I'm sure that would work just fine. A low dielectric constant is important because you don't want the capacitance of the large part of the injector effeceting the tapered area capacitance. Macor has a dielectric constant of about 6 unitl the temp goes beyond 150 C. As we all know macor is what Meyer used but it is quite expensive.

[FloatyBoaty]

Speaking of materials, here's a method of producing a quasi-crystal material.

[Robert Twiss]

The airbrush also closely works like an atomizer.
The atomizer was used for perfumes back in the day.

[FloatyBoaty]

It seems that what Stanley Meyer built, or was attempting to build, was an electrolysis / direct fuel injector / spark plug hybrid.
http://www.enginebasics.com/Engine%20Bas...ction.html


Here's an idea I had for the injector - it may be a cheaper design. (No scale)

[scot]

Hi peoples,
Sorry i haven't been around, Russ, have solved the problem with the tapered cavity in the water injector. No special tool required I remembered that tapered endmills are made for milling release angles on molds amoung other things. It will require a 1 degree taper per side, part # oet-59124c at J & L Industrial Supply.
I think that the .010 slots can be done on an edm so the injector can be made as per drawing and not in 3 more pieces as i thought i might have to do before.
I saw Bruxxus wrote about the length of the threaded area for the head and i think it's a good point but also think since this is experimental and only plan on making one injector for now chances are it will fit most small single cylinder engines. We must remember that point when we need 4 or more.
One more thing, i saw that Globalkast has a complete vic circuit board is that anything anyone knows about?
Thanks,Scot

[Jeff Nading]

(05-28-2012 07:06 PM)scot Wrote:  Hi peoples,
Sorry i haven't been around, Russ, have solved the problem with the tapered cavity in the water injector. No special tool required I remembered that tapered endmills are made for milling release angles on molds amoung other things. It will require a 1 degree taper per side, part # oet-59124c at J & L Industrial Supply.
I think that the .010 slots can be done on an edm so the injector can be made as per drawing and not in 3 more pieces as i thought i might have to do before.
I saw Bruxxus wrote about the length of the threaded area for the head and i think it's a good point but also think since this is experimental and only plan on making one injector for now chances are it will fit most small single cylinder engines. We must remember that point when we need 4 or more.
One more thing, i saw that Globalkast has a complete vic circuit board is that anything anyone knows about?
Thanks,Scot

Hey Scot, Dude YOUR THE MAN . That is great awesome and stupendous news, can you tell I'm excited . On the circuit from Globalkast, yes.

[scot]

Hi Jeff,
I had already started on my altered design, I will order the metal Monday
to start again need longer pieces.
So you think that circuit board is a good place for me to start? I want to invest here on the stainless wire and insulator material too. I can build most anything mechanical but my knowledge in electronics is negative.
Thanks, Scot

[Jeff Nading]

(05-28-2012 08:14 PM)scot Wrote:  Hi Jeff,
I had already started on my altered design, I will order the metal Monday
to start again need longer pieces.
So you think that circuit board is a good place for me to start? I want to invest here on the stainless wire and insulator material too. I can build most anything mechanical but my knowledge in electronics is negative.
Thanks, Scot

Hey Scot, If your not in a real hurry for the PCB, check with Sharky. I would not say that there is one available anywhere that works as of yet, But Sharky, Dirtwill and webmug are on the front lines with them, if anyone can get them to work it's going to be these guy's, because their doing the work and a great job I might add. So at this point I would see what they come up with before I buy, great stuff, Jeff.

[scot]

Hi Jeff,
ok