Lecture/Open Discussion of my work on the EPG system

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[Blazer]

HI ALL Upon review of pt 2 What if the iron ions were produced by the electrodes lying in a bed of iron shavings and the electrodes were only connected by the wires as shown? Would the electrodes repel, attract or just sink into the shavings as they were consumed? What if mirrors or mylar or some other highly reflective materials were placed and the light from the arc was bounced with in the chamber or within the pipe? YOU HAVE GOT TO ASK THE RIGHT QUESTION STAN MEYER

[phil]

Hi russ, I thought i'd share some things i found that may be relevent to your MPG and a few if my thoughts at the end,

http://www.teachertube.com/viewVideo.php...o_id=78310 Eddy currents - check out the diagram near the end of the video eddy currents in a copper tube illustration, maybe the eddy currents act as some sort of containment field, containing a plasma?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3AiM1BYX-c Electronegativity/eletropositvity. the abiltiy of elements to lose/gain electrons.

http://www.fusor.net/ The Farnsworth fusor/multipactor. Outlines principle for fusing atoms together.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion Ions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionic_bond Ionic bond

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionization_energy Ionization energies. Shows how much energy you need to remove the electrons from argon.

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/arch...93544.html Vapourization of metal. Iron boils about 3000C.

http://www.chemicool.com/elements/iron.html Check out the energies of iron.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(phy...netization Plasma

http://www.youtube.com/user/keshefoundat...tf5bp76ArE Keshe. Good info here 5 parts.

http://www.youtube.com/user/keshefoundat...LaZnjk23HU Keshe. Plasma in a bottle.

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Keshe_Foundation Keshe. Plasma energy and antigravity applications.


Hope these help.

I'd like to share a few of my thoughts too,
I looked briefly at these patents a while back and decided the the gas was the key here, no point in spending time winding the coils with no gas right? It fell to the back of my mind and then i came across your videos on youtube and it got me back thinking again,

High voltage DC, not AC microwave oven diodes to rectify i got 4 new 12kv ones for £10 whatever that works out in dollars $15. You want to pull electrons off so you only want the argon exposed to one polarity, High voltage negative i think. We want to make cations and anions of argon and steel.

Hollow electrode for the argon, argon ionized on its way up the electrode.

Point hollow electrode at solid iron electrode HV+ , (this is what the dots on meyers gas generator patent may signify, it shows a cross sectional view solid/hollow, possibly a clue left for us to wonder how the gas gets in the chamber? Also in one of the patents is a device for burning a gas completly, egg shaped chamber, hollow core design)

Then deliver your argon slowly and it is completly encapsulated by the arc comming off the edges of the tube and all of the argon is treated by the metal coming off the other electrode charged in the opposite polarity like charges attract, you want negative on the argon and positive on the metal smash that argon and iron together. (Try switching polarities? Gap distance?)

The argon has a bonus of cooling the hollow electrode while you want the +electrode to get hot and vapourize, it takes a lot of energy to vapourize iron, maybe look further down the periodic table for a lower melting point magnetizable metal for the electrode Neo? Pure iron?

Argon dont ionize easily.

For the magnetization, look up how permenent magnets are made.

Heat a metal and cool it in a magnetic field, which is what we are doing with our arc.

The length of time the particles are exposed to the field may matter or the temp range that they are exposed to, ie magnetized from 1000c-500c? Id say keep it in the magnetic field as long as possible. (something called the curie or curing temperature rings a bell here)

To test for magnetic gas, fill a baloon and try and roll it on a flat surface with a strong magnet or maybe put some in a very lightwieght small plastic bag (the kind that crinkles up easily) and look for surface movement on the bag.

Now is this gas generator used to fill up the coils once? Do we need it each time its started? Does it stick on the side of the coil on a T-piece and the ionized particles are allowed to drift into the main coil. Does it fit in series with the copper tube and the arc is kept going until it becomes self sustaining?

What is the maximum pressure this copper tube will take?

Stan seems to use the solder copper pipe fittings not compression fittings, just for neatness or is it important the diameter of the pipe is constant and smooth?

I think copper tube is significant but i am gonna see what happens when i pump some crushed ferrite magnets in water thru a clear plastic hose. Put coils around it, i think the magnets will die in the crushing process, magnetic powder is available to buy, i figure if you can see the magnetic particles moving in the tube may help visulise what we are trying to create.

I heard talk of oval tubes in these Meyers MPG's. Check out a guy called Viktor Schauberger, he designed a kind of double egg-shaped oval tube that sustained vortex's. Do we want to create an ideal environment for a magnetic vortex to flow at high speed with low energy input? Or plasma vortex?

Shauberger talks of centrifical/centripical/centrepedal type flows, (cant remember the exact type theres so many centri-somethings), but when you get these two flows goin big things happen. Is this what we have here eddy currents/magnetic field from the secondary surrounding the magnetic gas moving through the middle in a vortex type motion. I know stan says the gas dont move but just trying to visulize whats goin on in that copper tube, somethings moving thats for sure!

Coil layout may be significant, some MPG devices appear to have multiple secondaries while some seem to have long thin all over winding for the secondarys. The all over type winding may be used as part of the gas driving or containment mechanism, it may not be a secondary?

I like the idea of catching the same magnetic disturbance multiple times, many free energy devices appear to work in this way.

Primary coil, think of it like one of those electromagnetic rail guns or a mag-lev train frictionless motion in a tube, you can get some serious push/pull by pulsing magnets quicky at the right time.

Iron core will only pulse up to a certain frequency then you have to move on to ferrite, iron dust or air as im sure you know.

Maybe a sequential pulse or like stan says any waveform.

Anyway just my ideas, Phil.

Dont do anything silly with hydrogen will ya.

Hi, me again. I've still been thinking about the magnetic gas, I repair automatic doors for a living and it involves a lot of time driving and that gives me a lot of time to think/meditate in quiet alone. So I got some more thoughts and bits and pieces I've researched/tracked down or I believe to be relevant, comments, call them what you will.

I've been on the quest for the free energy grail for 4-5 years now, and the one thing I've found is no-one gives away all the details in their patents to make any direct copy. But with that said, it IS the place to start and I take my hat of to you doing that. Ok heres my list.

Example of a gas joined with a solid.

Sodium(Na) + Chlorine(Cl) = Sodium Chloride = Salt = A solid.....NaCl

Iron(Fe) + Argon(Ar) = (insert name) = A solid maybe? =....FeAr.........FEAR gas lol.

Sodium joins with Chlorine in a crystal LATTICE as stan describes, but the end result is a solid not a gas. Iron's gotta be heavier than sodium, and I think Argons heavier than Chlorine.

Maybe you're gonna get a solid and as these solid particles cool in the magnetic fields these get permanently magnetised as described by stan. NANO PARTICLES.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc_reactor - Makes Nanoparticles. Fullerenes, C60, by vaporizing graphite in an arc. Its about 15% efficient process. Gap and electrode size matter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckminsterfullerene - Buckmeister fullerine. C60. Conducts electricity very well. Maybe FeAr magnetizes very well.

My physics teacher told me that most of the magnetism is inside a permenent magnet, if we could only get at it. On the nano particle scale we could be doing just this. But then again would all the permanently magnetized particles just stick together. I've got some neo-spheres and they just want to clump together, when i crushed a magnet, again big mess all clumped together. Didn't have much luck with ferro fluid but then i only had 30 ml of the stuff to play with. made a little MPG bout the size of a bracelet.

We could be dealing with a fusion style reaction.

http://focusfusion.org/index.php/site/category/C70/ - Focus fusion, Interesting electrode design. Focus your plasma at your iron? New elements created? Watch out for X-rays.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...479871760# Video. Shows electrode design and plasma. Gets a bit technical but worth a watch.

The Tokomak fusion thing seems to be a bit of a white elephant that the government uses to waste time and money on.


So i'm gonna go off on a bit of a tangent here, suppose the device doesn't function quite as described, i'm gonna be reading between the lines a fair bit here and looking for a few hidden meanings in what stan says. Its really a bit of a collection of things I found on my travels researching plasma (after all, what is it between them electrodes if it aint a plasma?)

Stan says solid,liquid but preferably a gas. See the ascending order...What comes after gas...PLASMA. Plasma IS a magnetic gas! It has magnetic properties.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UzyO-n_-HE - Plasma affected by magnetic field.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aXc34rcTi0&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSm8aR2W9O0&NR=1


Now I dont see a tin can for making gas chucked on the side of any of stans coils only that red thing that could also be a pump, so its either a fill up device, or my feelings tell me it was integrated into the coil somewhere.

All we need is Iron Argon spark/plasma in a tube. In the patent he says 'Evacuated'. Like neon sign tubes. Theres a neon sign dealer near me. Ill find out if they could fill a MPG with argon and then evacuate it, they do it to glass rods from scratch? Must be a fill valve of somekind?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas-filled_tube - Argon efficient, low striking voltage. Gas tubes air expelled, argon in, reduce pressure (EVACUATED), it will conduct better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd3j3wHi2...re=related _ This guy can focus his plasma in his tube by varying frequency.

Are we dealing with a plasma core transformer. Electrode at each end of a tube then coiled. Gas is better than liquid. Plasma better than gas? Theres a magnetic component to plasma, right?
Plasmas moves like a gas/fluid. So we are kinda 'Hydraulicaly' pumping with the primary a LOT of magnetism a little way, just so the field cuts the secondary and out again.

Is that what the heatsink device of stans is all about, the one with the cooling fins in the centre? To bleed off heat from a permanently installed spark gap....pointing outward and runs the length of the tube..

Be nice to see your primary coil around a gas discharge tube, look for a pumping action in the plasma. Bit of a visual aid.

I see a problem with the copper pipe in that my instinct tells me the plasma will want to go down that at some point. But what if the plasma was focused down the centre of the tube either by frequency adjustment and/or being somehow centralized in the tube by its own eddy currents, allowing us to gather any magnetic disturbance on the outside of the tube in the secondary winding?

Is the copper tube one massive heatsink?

Not all plasma glows? you got 3 types Discharge plasma, Glowing plasma and DARK plasma. In that its there but you cant see it.

http://www.dapla.org/dark_plasma.htm - Dark plasma. Dark matter accounts for like loads of the universe. Could be it wont melt your tube?

Plasma - The primary state of matter. Do we just create a plasma in the tube and shake it about with the primary and collect the output in the secondary, a magnetic 'skin' on the outside of the tube. You can see in the videos that its easily moved by a magnetic field, and has strong magnetic fields, especially when concentrated. You get a plasmoid. I've found very little info on magnetic fields in a plasma..... could be someones trying to hide something?

http://www.28an.com/altenergypro/device04.htm - Plasma and a coil. I know theres debate over don smiths devices (it may be bullshit , but its good bull *****. ha ha) but here it is plasma and a coil, apparently this doesn't work in this configuration but you get the idea? Could dons other devices be focusing plasma in some way. Could the EV Gray tube be focusing plasma/accelerating particles towards its centre electrodes and taking off the energy? Faster particle=more energy? Electrostatic acceleration? Like a cylindrical farnsworth fusor?

I'm supposing different plasmas will have different magnetic effects?

Once we have a magnetic plasma its just a case sucking off the magnetic part of the plasma with the secondary. Im suspicious theres not more info on magnetic fields in plasmas, I smell a cover up. ha ha?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolaser - Add some laser energy. Found something else bout lasers and plasma but lost it, sorry.


Anyway this is all just guesswork based on things I'd come along the way and questions I've asked myself and kinda trying to put the jigsaw together a different way in my head and taking into account there are always details left out of the patents could be the gas generator is part and parcel of the MPG and the diagram is just to illustrate the process. And could the magnetic particle generator really be a magnetic plasma generator? I might try a coil round a fluorescent tube see if theres an effect on the light produced. When i got some cash ill go down that neon sign place and get a clear tube(no fluorescent coating on the inside) made and filled and evacuated with argon, then bung a coil round it and see what i can get the plasma to do.

Let me know when you got your website up, and if you wanna put up any of these emails on there its fine. I'm self taught. Someone with more brain power than me might have a eureka moment...who knows.

Phil..

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Bump for nice post Phil! Good work, glad to have you aboard. And you are right, the main problem, I feel, with most everyones research is that they are not willing to share all the details. This makes any single person with all the details an easy target to remove from the equation, if you understand what I mean. Which is also why backups of this site are secured with very high encryption through encrypted transfers to a few safe storage locations. Everything on here will be broadcast as far as possible online if/when any major breakthroughs happen. Again,

BUMP this thread, thanks guys, please spread the word.

[m3sca1]

(04-24-2011 12:45 AM)Blazer Wrote:  What if mirrors or mylar or some other highly reflective materials were placed and the light from the arc was bounced with in the chamber or within the pipe? YOU HAVE GOT TO ASK THE RIGHT QUESTION STAN MEYER

Hi Blazer
Also a glass tube of large enough diameter would allow "total internal reflection" of the input light pulses.
Such a thing would be a very easy job for someone who makes Neon signs...

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(04-27-2011 03:16 AM)admin Wrote:  And you are right, the main problem, I feel, with most everyones research is that they are not willing to share all the details. This makes any single person with all the details an easy target to remove from the equation

Hi Matt
This situaution has come about because of patents and the thought that a persons work should be able to make them rich when they patent it.
Most inventors are not aware of the 'patent secrecy catergory review list'.
Which is an international clause in the patent process that covers any invention that among other things makes claim to over unity.
Careful wording and ommissions can get around being slapped with a secrecy order but since most are ignorant of the secrecy clause then they end up being silenced for "national security" reasons.

Thats what makes open sourcing so important in todays environment.
BTW finding a current listing of what is classed as "security risk" has been impossible for me-the most current one i found online was 1978,which listed solar panels over 21% efficient as requiring a secrecy order.

[~Russ/Rwg42985]

Phill, thanks for posting! I'm in the proses of going back threw my email and get info like what you have here! Thanks for joining!

There are 2 things that I have been pondering alot!!!! And that is Gas VS Plasma

I will be working with both. In my last update video I showed a clear toroide that mike powers had molded. I plan on using hydrogen solely and making plasma in that toroid... That will be sweet!!!!

Then I can play with plasma and no plasma...

I believe that if it worked with no plasma as stans EPG's were copper... It would be better in my opinion to make it a plasma device... It would be hard to make a plasma in a copper tube... Not that it won't work... It just will be hard...

I will be posting another video soon of more info that I have collected.

Can you get me a number that I can call that neon sighn place... I want to call them and get some quotes.



~Russ

[phil]

They are called 'blaze neon and they are here in the UK. probly better off geting hold of someone closer to home.

[m3sca1]

(04-29-2011 05:25 PM)phil Wrote:  They are called 'blaze neon and they are here in the UK. probly better off geting hold of someone closer to home.

evacuating things is as easy as connecting an old fridge pump to it.
i have seen them used to charge air conditioning systems and they will definatley pull a strong enough vacuum to make plasma.
my friend on youtube 'crob227' has a setup using a fridge pump to make plasma in a bottle.

[phil]

there you go russ. fridge pump. makes sense. Im still gonna see if i can get a clear tube made up hopefully to visualise what kinda motion goes on inside

[~Russ/Rwg42985]

(04-30-2011 09:18 AM)phil Wrote:  there you go russ. fridge pump. makes sense. Im still gonna see if i can get a clear tube made up hopefully to visualise what kinda motion goes on inside

Did you see the last video I posted





Mike powers maid a test pice to play with! He plans on making more and we all can get one... He molded this clear torode and I finished it so I can make some plasma in it, but I would like a glass one??? Neon sighn is the way to go... Should not be that much?

Can you get a price quote for a glass torode with 2 ports opposing 2 electrodes ... ??? 3,4,5,6" across or something?


Thanks! ~Russ

[phil]

yeah i saw your vid, and the papp motor one.

http://www.neoncreations.co.uk/how.php heres the neon sign making process.

Ill get on and ring them next week, its a bank holiday over here, some dude got married or something.

i was gonna get my tube bent like the push/pull type arrangement......http://rwgresearch.com/open-projects/stanley-meyers-epg-system/
only because neon signs have a start and a finsh where the electrodes go.

Just 1 turn for starters, i already got an NST , but its the new type with the electronic cut out.

seems they use tungsten electrodes not iron. For improved lifespan.

Be nice if we could all settle on a name for each of the different EPG configurations. Makes it easier to talk about the different layouts.

Also ive found loads of image enhancement software out there, if anyones got experience of using those types of programs would be good. I found a company that would do the best possible forensic analysis of your pictures for £45 a photo. Get a better peek at the EPG. Unless the guy who made the stan meyers estate video wants to go make a ' HD stan meyers estate 2'.

[phil]

had a play around in photo shop with the black n white IMG_3527 , stretched it, bent it zoomed it till my eyes hurt, all i got was the title says 'FIG 33 ULTRA HIGH UNIPOLAR PULSE VOLTAGE FREQUENCY GENERATOR (NON-MECHANICAL)

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the bus bars on all these EPG's seem to be held in place with white plastic pipe mounts. the things you use to clip copper pipe along the wall.

[~Russ/Rwg42985]

(04-30-2011 08:23 PM)phil Wrote:  had a play around in photo shop with the black n white IMG_3527 , stretched it, bent it zoomed it till my eyes hurt, all i got was the title says 'FIG 33 ULTRA HIGH UNIPOLAR PULSE VOLTAGE FREQUENCY GENERATOR (NON-MECHANICAL)

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the bus bars on all these EPG's seem to be held in place with white plastic pipe mounts. the things you use to clip copper pipe along the wall.

phill,

please analyze these these photos, there better than the others i had? yeah?:

http://open-source-energy.org/rwg42985/r...0video.zip

then, edit the photos, put your analyzed text next to the text on the photos, then re upload them. we all can do this and come out with something good!

also, on the analyzing of the EPG photos... wait till my next lecture video (P4), i have a surprise!

~Russ

[~Russ/Rwg42985]

Quote:Ill get on and ring them next week, its a bank holiday over here, some dude got married or something.

haha funny...

Quote:i was gonna get my tube bent like the push/pull type arrangement......http://rwgresearch.com/open-projects/stanley-meyers-epg-system/
only because neon signs have a start and a finsh where the electrodes go.

yeah i like that idea!
but how you going to get the gas in there?

thus the resin that i would like a toroid with electrodes and ports, like this,

Quote:Be nice if we could all settle on a name for each of the different EPG configurations. Makes it easier to talk about the different layouts.

1. mechanical drive EPG
2. electromagnetic drive EPG
3. electromagnetic oscillator drive EPG (the one you want to build)
4. photon drive EPG (this one i do not believe he built... but i dont know for sure)

Quote:Also ive found loads of image enhancement software out there, if anyones got experience of using those types of programs would be good. I found a company that would do the best possible forensic analysis of your pictures for £45 a photo. Get a better peek at the EPG. Unless the guy who made the stan meyers estate video wants to go make a ' HD stan meyers estate 2'.

give me some time for this one... you will like the next steps!

~Russ

[~Russ/Rwg42985]

(04-30-2011 09:18 AM)phil Wrote:  there you go russ. fridge pump. makes sense. Im still gonna see if i can get a clear tube made up hopefully to visualise what kinda motion goes on inside

yeah, the vacuum thing i will be playing with also... i think its a good thing...

can i make plasma with out a vacuum? yeah? (i have in the microwave) but it will use more power than with out a vacuum?

and yes. the best part about this device is all the defrant stuff we can put in the tube... from a ferro fluid to plasma... where should i start...

see plasma in a copper tube??? can that happen??? stans EPG was Copper... that is a fact

~Russ

[phil]

ill go thru and annotate the drawings later. had a quick look heres what i got

FIG 33 ULTA HIGH UNIPOLAR PULSE VOLATGE FREQUENCY GENERATOR (NON MECHANICAL)
MULTI ARRAY PRIMARY COILS SEQUENTIAL/SEQUENTALLY PULSED
TRANSFORMER CORE MATERIAL
SECONDARY WINDINGS (un readable)
SPIRAL TRANSFORMER CORE TUBULAR STRUCTURE MULTI TURN ARRANGEMENT
PROGRAMMABLE PULSING CIRCUIT (ELECTRONIC)
VARIABLE AMPLITUDE CONTROL
VARIABLE PULSE CONTROL
thats bout all i could got out of this drawing

Does this thing look familiar?
http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/441...alers.html

Its a compressor pump.

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are the primary coils acting like a peristalsic pump?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peristaltic_pump
some of the EPG's look like they have many primaries , could we have a 360 degree peristalsic pump?

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Quote:yeah i like that idea!
but how you going to get the gas in there?

Get the neon sign guys to do it, they fit the end caps then evacuate/fill the ube, its s bog standard neon sign tube im after wound in the EMDO configuration.


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Be nice if we could all settle on a name for each of the different EPG configurations. Makes it easier to talk about the different layouts.

1. mechanical drive EPG
2. electromagnetic drive EPG
3. electromagnetic oscillator drive EPG (the one you want to build)
4. photon drive EPG (this one i do not believe he built... but i dont know for sure)

1. MD
2. EMD
3. EMDO
4. PD

I wanted to write less not more, ha ha.

[~Russ/Rwg42985]

(05-01-2011 08:51 AM)phil Wrote:  ill go thru and annotate the drawings later. had a quick look heres what i got

FIG 33 ULTA HIGH UNIPOLAR PULSE VOLATGE FREQUENCY GENERATOR (NON MECHANICAL)
MULTI ARRAY PRIMARY COILS SEQUENTIAL/SEQUENTALLY PULSED
TRANSFORMER CORE MATERIAL
SECONDARY WINDINGS (un readable)
SPIRAL TRANSFORMER CORE TUBULAR STRUCTURE MULTI TURN ARRANGEMENT
PROGRAMMABLE PULSING CIRCUIT (ELECTRONIC)
VARIABLE AMPLITUDE CONTROL
VARIABLE PULSE CONTROL
thats bout all i could got out of this drawing

here is the photos phil had decoded :

http://open-source-energy.org/rwg42985/r...20text.zip

good work phil!

hope it helped also, those other photos were not as good as these.
~Russ

[admin]

Russ,

Just a thought, but maybe fill it with the same stuff the gentleman in the ppap video uses for some of his work. . .

[~Russ/Rwg42985]

(05-01-2011 12:20 PM)admin Wrote:  Russ,

Just a thought, but maybe fill it with the same stuff the gentleman in the ppap video uses for some of his work. . .

I found the ppap relevant to the EPG but I thought infield post it by it's self incase we wanted to fescues that that tec. We could do
It there. !
~Russ

[~Russ/Rwg42985]

hello everyone!

well i spent the time making a video today and my camera did not want to work for me... after i recorded the 30 min video... so i decided that you fellows that are here deserve a surprise...

see the photo on the front page of the Stanley Meyers EPG project page!

here: http://rwgresearch.com/open-projects/sta...pg-system/

yes, that is a high quality photo of the EPG... your welcome! but i could not do it with out you all so thanks!!!

also here is a dimensions photo i did... : http://open-source-energy.org/rwg42985/r...uility.jpg

well now, i got lots to tell about the photo so when i post the video we can discuss more! basically i can tell you what parts are what...

Thanks and enjoy! God Bless!

~Russ