Complete VIC schematic and pcb

[Sharky]

(02-19-2012 11:43 AM)adys15 Wrote:  Man,this thread started good but now looks like is dead...whatever...
I built SM frq.gen.in circuit wizard based on sharky's VIC sckems...it works but not quIte good ..:
I dont have 50% square waves looks like 70%-30% )
And if i move the 100k pot..nothing happens
I buily it beter? or not give it a tought

adys, please consider that all people on this forum are doing this on their sparetime, please refer from pushing people to work harder or complaints that things are going to slow. If you have something positive to add to the discussion you are very welcome, otherwise better refer from posting.

On to your question, .... the frequency generator works together with the gated pulse generator. The 100k pot in the first is for changing the frequency of the gating, the 100k pot in the second for changing the duty cycle of the gating. Build the circuits on a breadboard and do measurements to understand its workings. I do not know circuit wizard so i can not help you out on that one.

[adys15]

adys, please consider that all people on this forum are doing this on their sparetime, please refer from pushing people to work harder or complaints that things are going to slow. If you have something positive to add to the discussion you are very welcome, otherwise better refer from posting.



I know you guys are working in youre spare time,i work in the spare time..if i said that the thread is dead i did not mean to offend no one by saying that they are not working and gave up or they are slow,but just to post even a little achevement or experiment if it is...whateever...


''On to your question, .... the frequency generator works together with the gated pulse generator. The 100k pot in the first is for changing the frequency of the gating, the 100k pot in the second for changing the duty cycle of the gating. Build the circuits on a breadboard and do measurements to understand its workings. I do not know circuit wizard so i can not help you out on that one.''

I know it works together with the gate,but i thought freq gen generates the freq.and then the gate controls the off and on time of that freq.Correct me if i am wrong(if you want of course).
And for the circuit wiz.:is verry verry easy to work with..it is installing quickly,is simple,it has all the parts you need,i think is beter than multisim because it has that feauture of showing curent flow/voltage colours,arows,cap charging..etc
and in multisim you click run sim and nothing shows..conect a wire to pwr surce not let you.verry complex program but usseles(my opinion dont jump on me) )
Sorry for long talk...and sorry if I offended anyone...don't mean..Cheers!

[Sharky]

(02-20-2012 04:47 AM)adys15 Wrote:  I know it works together with the gate,but i thought freq gen generates the freq.and then the gate controls the off and on time of that freq.Correct me if i am wrong(if you want of course).

No, the Variable Pulse Frequency generator only generates the frequency of the gating, the Gated Pulse Frequency circuit only adjusts the duty cycle of the gating. The 4046 of the Phase Lock Loop circuit is the one that generates the actual pulse frequency. The output of the Gated Pulse Frequency circuit goes to pin 5 of the 4046 which is to turn it on and off, thus applying the gating to the 4046 pulse frequency .... always willing to answer relevant questions !!!

[adys15]

(02-20-2012 06:54 AM)Sharky Wrote:  [quote='adys15' pid='3283' dateline='1329731231']
I know it works together with the gate,but i thought freq gen generates the freq.and then the gate controls the off and on time of that freq.Correct me if i am wrong(if you want of course).

No, the Variable Pulse Frequency generator only generates the frequency of the gating, the Gated Pulse Frequency circuit only adjusts the duty cycle of the gating. The 4046 of the Phase Lock Loop circuit is the one that generates the actual pulse frequency. The output of the Gated Pulse Frequency circuit goes to pin 5 of the 4046 which is to turn it on and off, thus applying the gating to the 4046 pulse frequency .... always willing to answer relevant questions !!!

thanks for the reply sharky..i understand now, freq gen creates the base freq.(the carier wave)and then the gate andjust the dutty cycle,thats what i say in the first post,just a little diffrent(undestand,i am a novice in electronics,i know only the basics...)thanks again

[~Russ/Rwg42985]

sharky, here is my measurements of VIC and CAP...

http://open-source-energy.org/forum/show...03#pid3303

let me know what you calculate for resonance.

also calculate resonance with no cap... as the coils themselves are enough to create resonance? as don has stated to me...???

thanks!! ~Russ

[Mechanic]

(02-20-2012 06:54 AM)Sharky Wrote:  

(02-20-2012 04:47 AM)adys15 Wrote:  I know it works together with the gate,but i thought freq gen generates the freq.and then the gate controls the off and on time of that freq.Correct me if i am wrong(if you want of course).

No, the Variable Pulse Frequency generator only generates the frequency of the gating, the Gated Pulse Frequency circuit only adjusts the duty cycle of the gating. The 4046 of the Phase Lock Loop circuit is the one that generates the actual pulse frequency. The output of the Gated Pulse Frequency circuit goes to pin 5 of the 4046 which is to turn it on and off, thus applying the gating to the 4046 pulse frequency .... always willing to answer relevant questions !!!

Hi Sharky,
As I've said, i'm now trying this build of all this circuits, you and others may know this already, the part listing in vic. net and on the schematics don't match... Sorry if i mabe miss checked or miss read it and if so tell how to read or check it the right way. Well while i'm here is there any specifics on the parts that i as a under acheiver in this field should be watching out for....

Boere groete,
Mechanic.

[Sharky]

(02-27-2012 03:37 PM)Mechanic Wrote:  

(02-20-2012 06:54 AM)Sharky Wrote:  

(02-20-2012 04:47 AM)adys15 Wrote:  I know it works together with the gate,but i thought freq gen generates the freq.and then the gate controls the off and on time of that freq.Correct me if i am wrong(if you want of course).

No, the Variable Pulse Frequency generator only generates the frequency of the gating, the Gated Pulse Frequency circuit only adjusts the duty cycle of the gating. The 4046 of the Phase Lock Loop circuit is the one that generates the actual pulse frequency. The output of the Gated Pulse Frequency circuit goes to pin 5 of the 4046 which is to turn it on and off, thus applying the gating to the 4046 pulse frequency .... always willing to answer relevant questions !!!

Hi Sharky,
As I've said, i'm now trying this build of all this circuits, you and others may know this already, the part listing in vic. net and on the schematics don't match... Sorry if i mabe miss checked or miss read it and if so tell how to read or check it the right way. Well while i'm here is there any specifics on the parts that i as a under acheiver in this field should be watching out for....

Boere groete,
Mechanic.

You are correct that not all is set correctly. The schematics are almost done but still work in progress so errors may be still be present (just found a +5/GND connection error yesterday on one of the ic's). Currently i am still strubling with the pll and there are some issues with the net names for 5V, 10V and ground when creating the pcb. They do not propagate correctly to the pcb design, this is a kicad issue, ...or me using it incorrectly and has nothing to do with the vic circuit design.

You only need to make sure that you get high voltage versions of all the ic's that are connected to 10V like the 4046 and 4001 ic's. If you can open this link you can see most of the components as they are now present in the design:

http://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/Pro...ff4d6dd684

You best start by building all on a breadboard and verify the workings before going on to pcb production.

Regards,
Sharky

[Mechanic]

(02-28-2012 09:33 AM)Sharky Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 03:37 PM)Mechanic Wrote:  

(02-20-2012 06:54 AM)Sharky Wrote:  

(02-20-2012 04:47 AM)adys15 Wrote:  I know it works together with the gate,but i thought freq gen generates the freq.and then the gate controls the off and on time of that freq.Correct me if i am wrong(if you want of course).

No, the Variable Pulse Frequency generator only generates the frequency of the gating, the Gated Pulse Frequency circuit only adjusts the duty cycle of the gating. The 4046 of the Phase Lock Loop circuit is the one that generates the actual pulse frequency. The output of the Gated Pulse Frequency circuit goes to pin 5 of the 4046 which is to turn it on and off, thus applying the gating to the 4046 pulse frequency .... always willing to answer relevant questions !!!

Hi Sharky,
As I've said, i'm now trying this build of all this circuits, you and others may know this already, the part listing in vic. net and on the schematics don't match... Sorry if i mabe miss checked or miss read it and if so tell how to read or check it the right way. Well while i'm here is there any specifics on the parts that i as a under acheiver in this field should be watching out for....

Boere groete,
Mechanic.

You are correct that not all is set correctly. The schematics are almost done but still work in progress so errors may be still be present (just found a +5/GND connection error yesterday on one of the ic's). Currently i am still strubling with the pll and there are some issues with the net names for 5V, 10V and ground when creating the pcb. They do not propagate correctly to the pcb design, this is a kicad issue, ...or me using it incorrectly and has nothing to do with the vic circuit design.

You only need to make sure that you get high voltage versions of all the ic's that are connected to 10V like the 4046 and 4001 ic's. If you can open this link you can see most of the components as they are now present in the design:

http://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/Pro...ff4d6dd684

You best start by building all on a breadboard and verify the workings before going on to pcb production.

Regards,
Sharky

Hi Sharky,

Sorry for asking, what is the reason for this link.... maybe suppliers, prices or the values of the components, sorry man i'm very uneducated with these things..... I'm going to try and add my Quote's.... Please if possible have a look and reply...

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Boere groete,
Mechanic.

NB: Just checked the link in more detail and seen, 2N2222 & 2N3906G in link, is NOT on the schematics... Why ? Work in progress ?
NBB: On wich Schematic is the 0.01u (1Kv) cap...? Sorry buddy, i started matching up the parts with the sche... Maybe only me and my good knowledge or some
thing's fishy... SORRY....

[Sharky]

(02-28-2012 02:02 PM)Mechanic Wrote:  

(02-28-2012 09:33 AM)Sharky Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 03:37 PM)Mechanic Wrote:  

(02-20-2012 06:54 AM)Sharky Wrote:  

(02-20-2012 04:47 AM)adys15 Wrote:  I know it works together with the gate,but i thought freq gen generates the freq.and then the gate controls the off and on time of that freq.Correct me if i am wrong(if you want of course).

No, the Variable Pulse Frequency generator only generates the frequency of the gating, the Gated Pulse Frequency circuit only adjusts the duty cycle of the gating. The 4046 of the Phase Lock Loop circuit is the one that generates the actual pulse frequency. The output of the Gated Pulse Frequency circuit goes to pin 5 of the 4046 which is to turn it on and off, thus applying the gating to the 4046 pulse frequency .... always willing to answer relevant questions !!!

Hi Sharky,
As I've said, i'm now trying this build of all this circuits, you and others may know this already, the part listing in vic. net and on the schematics don't match... Sorry if i mabe miss checked or miss read it and if so tell how to read or check it the right way. Well while i'm here is there any specifics on the parts that i as a under acheiver in this field should be watching out for....

Boere groete,
Mechanic.

You are correct that not all is set correctly. The schematics are almost done but still work in progress so errors may be still be present (just found a +5/GND connection error yesterday on one of the ic's). Currently i am still strubling with the pll and there are some issues with the net names for 5V, 10V and ground when creating the pcb. They do not propagate correctly to the pcb design, this is a kicad issue, ...or me using it incorrectly and has nothing to do with the vic circuit design.

You only need to make sure that you get high voltage versions of all the ic's that are connected to 10V like the 4046 and 4001 ic's. If you can open this link you can see most of the components as they are now present in the design:

http://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/Pro...ff4d6dd684

You best start by building all on a breadboard and verify the workings before going on to pcb production.

Regards,
Sharky

Hi Sharky,

Sorry for asking, what is the reason for this link.... maybe suppliers, prices or the values of the components, sorry man i'm very uneducated with these things..... I'm going to try and add my Quote's.... Please if possible have a look and reply...

Boere groete,
Mechanic.

NB: Just checked the link in more detail and seen, 2N2222 & 2N3906G in link, is NOT on the schematics... Why ? Work in progress ?
NBB: On wich Schematic is the 0.01u (1Kv) cap...? Sorry buddy, i started matching up the parts with the sche... Maybe only me and my good knowledge or some
thing's fishy... SORRY....

Hi Mechanic,
The 2N2222 & 2N3906 are from the original cell driver circuit, in the project it is still available as Cell Driver Original.sch. The new version does not use those transistors. The 0.01u is in the schematic placed as 10n on pin 13 from the 4046 to ground. 0.01u=10n but i will change that to keep it the same. Do not pay to much attention to the voltage ratings of the caps, i actually have not put to much attention to it since most will not have to handle to much of a voltage. High voltage from the cell is decoupled through the primairy/secondary coils. So you can use lower voltage ratings as well.

[Webmug]

Hi,

I was wondering, looking at Russ his video about the SM VIC ,where he has unipolar voltages at the open VIC coils for the resonance cell, how it was pulsed.

Looking at the pulse signal in the Dealership Sales Manual, how Resonant Action is done, did you see the pulses he used in the figure? p60 Fig.16.
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/top...l#msg22161
SM pulsed it lets say, 0Vdc to Va dc, but when he wants resonant action he pulses 0Vdc to Vn dc. So the gating window where amplitude is higher he adjusted it to get Resonant Action. This simultaneous with the pulse frequency for the coil resonance.

The patent circuit driver does not do this, only 0V dc to Va dc. at the TIP120 transistor. Gate adjust the 0V to Va voltage pulse with?

Update:
When GATE is ON, voltage amplitude should go up to a higher pulse voltage level setting (gas pedal) gas production (step charge);
GATE OFF, amplitude is pulse resonance maintained (no step charge).
See circuit "voltage amplitude control".

Have you looked into this?

Br,
Webmug

[pha3z]

I'm an electronics newb. I hate dealing with anything more complicated than 555s and basic oscillator circuits.

I also know that Stan Meyer was a brilliant man, probably able to do far above anything I will ever be able to do myself. He even advocated KISS and thought over-engineering things was stupid, so who am I to question him?

Despite all that, I've still I've got one question:
Does matching the resonance of the circuit really have to be so complicated as to include this phase lock loop circuitry? If I understand all this correctly, the only reason you can't pulse a water cell at a constant frequency is because gas production changes the capacitance of the water cell. So isn't there a simpler circuit that can respond to the changed capacitance, much the same way that an oscillator times its pulses based on feedback from the tank circuit coil??

How many ameteurs can understand and implement things like Phase Lock Loop circuits? This boggles my mind. Unless someone can make it simple for me.

- Jim

[Mechanic]

(03-02-2012 11:00 AM)Sharky Wrote:  

(02-28-2012 02:02 PM)Mechanic Wrote:  

(02-28-2012 09:33 AM)Sharky Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 03:37 PM)Mechanic Wrote:  

(02-20-2012 06:54 AM)Sharky Wrote:  No, the Variable Pulse Frequency generator only generates the frequency of the gating, the Gated Pulse Frequency circuit only adjusts the duty cycle of the gating. The 4046 of the Phase Lock Loop circuit is the one that generates the actual pulse frequency. The output of the Gated Pulse Frequency circuit goes to pin 5 of the 4046 which is to turn it on and off, thus applying the gating to the 4046 pulse frequency .... always willing to answer relevant questions !!!

Hi Sharky,
As I've said, i'm now trying this build of all this circuits, you and others may know this already, the part listing in vic. net and on the schematics don't match... Sorry if i mabe miss checked or miss read it and if so tell how to read or check it the right way. Well while i'm here is there any specifics on the parts that i as a under acheiver in this field should be watching out for....

Boere groete,
Mechanic.

You are correct that not all is set correctly. The schematics are almost done but still work in progress so errors may be still be present (just found a +5/GND connection error yesterday on one of the ic's). Currently i am still strubling with the pll and there are some issues with the net names for 5V, 10V and ground when creating the pcb. They do not propagate correctly to the pcb design, this is a kicad issue, ...or me using it incorrectly and has nothing to do with the vic circuit design.

You only need to make sure that you get high voltage versions of all the ic's that are connected to 10V like the 4046 and 4001 ic's. If you can open this link you can see most of the components as they are now present in the design:

http://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/Pro...ff4d6dd684

You best start by building all on a breadboard and verify the workings before going on to pcb production.

Regards,
Sharky

Hi Sharky,

Sorry for asking, what is the reason for this link.... maybe suppliers, prices or the values of the components, sorry man i'm very uneducated with these things..... I'm going to try and add my Quote's.... Please if possible have a look and reply...

Boere groete,
Mechanic.

NB: Just checked the link in more detail and seen, 2N2222 & 2N3906G in link, is NOT on the schematics... Why ? Work in progress ?
NBB: On wich Schematic is the 0.01u (1Kv) cap...? Sorry buddy, i started matching up the parts with the sche... Maybe only me and my good knowledge or some
thing's fishy... SORRY....

Hi Mechanic,
The 2N2222 & 2N3906 are from the original cell driver circuit, in the project it is still available as Cell Driver Original.sch. The new version does not use those transistors. The 0.01u is in the schematic placed as 10n on pin 13 from the 4046 to ground. 0.01u=10n but i will change that to keep it the same. Do not pay to much attention to the voltage ratings of the caps, i actually have not put to much attention to it since most will not have to handle to much of a voltage. High voltage from the cell is decoupled through the primairy/secondary coils. So you can use lower voltage ratings as well.

Hi Sharky,

I'm almost finished building all the schematics and before i put voltage to all the connections i want to know where on the car to get 10+ & 5+ connections or do i connect 12V to everything...? Should i now build or buy a inverter to drive all the diffrent Volt... in puts of 10+ & 5+..?
One other question...., do the circuits produce the Kv to split the water or does the circuits get driven by something else that supply the Kv....? For me it seems much esier to make 50Kv and then just let the circuits guide the Kv to resinance, locking, pulsing etc.. etc..? Is this what no one knows or is sure of...?
Well i'm waiting for your reply....

Boere groete,
Mechanic

[Jeff Nading]

(03-10-2012 03:33 PM)Mechanic Wrote:  

(03-02-2012 11:00 AM)Sharky Wrote:  

(02-28-2012 02:02 PM)Mechanic Wrote:  

(02-28-2012 09:33 AM)Sharky Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 03:37 PM)Mechanic Wrote:  Hi Sharky,
As I've said, i'm now trying this build of all this circuits, you and others may know this already, the part listing in vic. net and on the schematics don't match... Sorry if i mabe miss checked or miss read it and if so tell how to read or check it the right way. Well while i'm here is there any specifics on the parts that i as a under acheiver in this field should be watching out for....

Boere groete,
Mechanic.

You are correct that not all is set correctly. The schematics are almost done but still work in progress so errors may be still be present (just found a +5/GND connection error yesterday on one of the ic's). Currently i am still strubling with the pll and there are some issues with the net names for 5V, 10V and ground when creating the pcb. They do not propagate correctly to the pcb design, this is a kicad issue, ...or me using it incorrectly and has nothing to do with the vic circuit design.

You only need to make sure that you get high voltage versions of all the ic's that are connected to 10V like the 4046 and 4001 ic's. If you can open this link you can see most of the components as they are now present in the design:

http://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/Pro...ff4d6dd684

You best start by building all on a breadboard and verify the workings before going on to pcb production.

Regards,
Sharky

Hi Sharky,

Sorry for asking, what is the reason for this link.... maybe suppliers, prices or the values of the components, sorry man i'm very uneducated with these things..... I'm going to try and add my Quote's.... Please if possible have a look and reply...

Boere groete,
Mechanic.

NB: Just checked the link in more detail and seen, 2N2222 & 2N3906G in link, is NOT on the schematics... Why ? Work in progress ?
NBB: On wich Schematic is the 0.01u (1Kv) cap...? Sorry buddy, i started matching up the parts with the sche... Maybe only me and my good knowledge or some
thing's fishy... SORRY....

Hi Mechanic,
The 2N2222 & 2N3906 are from the original cell driver circuit, in the project it is still available as Cell Driver Original.sch. The new version does not use those transistors. The 0.01u is in the schematic placed as 10n on pin 13 from the 4046 to ground. 0.01u=10n but i will change that to keep it the same. Do not pay to much attention to the voltage ratings of the caps, i actually have not put to much attention to it since most will not have to handle to much of a voltage. High voltage from the cell is decoupled through the primairy/secondary coils. So you can use lower voltage ratings as well.

Hi Sharky,

I'm almost finished building all the schematics and before i put voltage to all the connections i want to know where on the car to get 10+ & 5+ connections or do i connect 12V to everything...? Should i now build or buy a inverter to drive all the diffrent Volt... in puts of 10+ & 5+..?
One other question...., do the circuits produce the Kv to split the water or does the circuits get driven by something else that supply the Kv....? For me it seems much esier to make 50Kv and then just let the circuits guide the Kv to resinance, locking, pulsing etc.. etc..? Is this what no one knows or is sure of...?
Well i'm waiting for your reply....

Boere groete,
Mechanic

Well Mechanic, I know of no place on the vehicle to get other than 12 to 14 volts dc or high voltage for the sparkplugs, so if you need multiple dc voltages you will have to build it into the circuits, should not be to hard . I as of yet have not built the rustic circuit, am going to when I finish the 3d printer I built to print the vic bobbins. So, I will know more about it when I get into it, someone should be able to answer your other questions like Russ or Dirt will, email them if need be.

[Mechanic]

(03-10-2012 03:55 PM)Jeff Nading Wrote:  

(03-10-2012 03:33 PM)Mechanic Wrote:  

(03-02-2012 11:00 AM)Sharky Wrote:  

(02-28-2012 02:02 PM)Mechanic Wrote:  

(02-28-2012 09:33 AM)Sharky Wrote:  You are correct that not all is set correctly. The schematics are almost done but still work in progress so errors may be still be present (just found a +5/GND connection error yesterday on one of the ic's). Currently i am still strubling with the pll and there are some issues with the net names for 5V, 10V and ground when creating the pcb. They do not propagate correctly to the pcb design, this is a kicad issue, ...or me using it incorrectly and has nothing to do with the vic circuit design.

You only need to make sure that you get high voltage versions of all the ic's that are connected to 10V like the 4046 and 4001 ic's. If you can open this link you can see most of the components as they are now present in the design:

http://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/Pro...ff4d6dd684

You best start by building all on a breadboard and verify the workings before going on to pcb production.

Regards,
Sharky

Hi Sharky,

Sorry for asking, what is the reason for this link.... maybe suppliers, prices or the values of the components, sorry man i'm very uneducated with these things..... I'm going to try and add my Quote's.... Please if possible have a look and reply...

Boere groete,
Mechanic.

NB: Just checked the link in more detail and seen, 2N2222 & 2N3906G in link, is NOT on the schematics... Why ? Work in progress ?
NBB: On wich Schematic is the 0.01u (1Kv) cap...? Sorry buddy, i started matching up the parts with the sche... Maybe only me and my good knowledge or some
thing's fishy... SORRY....

Hi Mechanic,
The 2N2222 & 2N3906 are from the original cell driver circuit, in the project it is still available as Cell Driver Original.sch. The new version does not use those transistors. The 0.01u is in the schematic placed as 10n on pin 13 from the 4046 to ground. 0.01u=10n but i will change that to keep it the same. Do not pay to much attention to the voltage ratings of the caps, i actually have not put to much attention to it since most will not have to handle to much of a voltage. High voltage from the cell is decoupled through the primairy/secondary coils. So you can use lower voltage ratings as well.

Hi Sharky,

I'm almost finished building all the schematics and before i put voltage to all the connections i want to know where on the car to get 10+ & 5+ connections or do i connect 12V to everything...? Should i now build or buy a inverter to drive all the diffrent Volt... in puts of 10+ & 5+..?
One other question...., do the circuits produce the Kv to split the water or does the circuits get driven by something else that supply the Kv....? For me it seems much esier to make 50Kv and then just let the circuits guide the Kv to resinance, locking, pulsing etc.. etc..? Is this what no one knows or is sure of...?
Well i'm waiting for your reply....

Boere groete,
Mechanic

Well Mechanic, I know of no place on the vehicle to get other than 12 to 14 volts dc or high voltage for the sparkplugs, so if you need multiple dc voltages you will have to build it into the circuits, should not be to hard . I as of yet have not built the rustic circuit, am going to when I finish the 3d printer I built to print the vic bobbins. So, I will know more about it when I get into it, someone should be able to answer your other questions like Russ or Dirt will, email them if need be.

Hi Uncle Jeff,
What is this about 3d printers and vic bobbins...? Explain some more... Where does that fit in & what's that for... also is there going to be more updates or info placed on the circuits any time soon...? I don't no to test for flaws or other tings, like where is the test points to check outputs on the diffrent circuits or is that the reason for the testpoint block on the first page of the VIC pdf file...? Also what is that drawing on the first page of the pdf file about...? Where does that sch.. fit in & connect to..?
Please.., answers, i think i'll finish tommorow (mon) and would like to do tests and help solve the circuits ridle in our quest... What info is needed...?

Boere groete,
Mechanic.

[Jeff Nading]

Well the 3d printer is on this forum, @ these links,
http://open-source-energy.org/forum/foru...php?fid=40
http://open-source-energy.org/forum/show...hp?tid=124
http://open-source-energy.org/forum/show...hp?tid=122

The vic bobbins are for Stan's electronic circuits, free for download to anyone.
http://open-source-energy.org/forum/show...hp?tid=363
They were made buy haxar and firepinto, produced through Google sketchup then converted into an stl that the printer software can read then changed to gcode, at that point the printer prints out a part in plastic, makes a usable part, see my video,



Three of us built this machine on this forum that I know of, the two I mentioned earlier and I myself. See the photo I posted of Stan's vic bobbins in his circuit setup. To answer your other questions please email, linked here:
http://open-source-energy.org/forum/memb...ile&uid=97
http://open-source-energy.org/forum/memb...le&uid=955
http://open-source-energy.org/forum/memb...file&uid=2
Well, I hope this helps you get some answers, .

[~Russ/Rwg42985]

(03-03-2012 08:28 AM)Webmug Wrote:  Hi,

I was wondering, looking at Russ his video about the SM VIC ,where he has unipolar voltages at the open VIC coils for the resonance cell, how it was pulsed.

Looking at the pulse signal in the Dealership Sales Manual, how Resonant Action is done, did you see the pulses he used in the figure? p60 Fig.16.
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/top...l#msg22161
SM pulsed it lets say, 0Vdc to Va dc, but when he wants resonant action he pulses 0Vdc to Vn dc. So the gating window where amplitude is higher he adjusted it to get Resonant Action. This simultaneous with the pulse frequency for the coil resonance.

The patent circuit driver does not do this, only 0V dc to Va dc. at the TIP120 transistor. Gate adjust the 0V to Va voltage pulse with?

Update:
When GATE is ON, voltage amplitude should go up to a higher pulse voltage level setting (gas pedal) gas production (step charge);
GATE OFF, amplitude is pulse resonance maintained (no step charge).
See circuit "voltage amplitude control".

Have you looked into this?

Br,
Webmug

Don stated that the Gating was a hand tuned part of the GMS... so once set its not messed with... its part of tuning??? ~Russ

[Mechanic]

(03-11-2012 07:15 PM)~Russ/Rwg42985 Wrote:  

(03-03-2012 08:28 AM)Webmug Wrote:  Hi,

I was wondering, looking at Russ his video about the SM VIC ,where he has unipolar voltages at the open VIC coils for the resonance cell, how it was pulsed.

Looking at the pulse signal in the Dealership Sales Manual, how Resonant Action is done, did you see the pulses he used in the figure? p60 Fig.16.
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/top...l#msg22161
SM pulsed it lets say, 0Vdc to Va dc, but when he wants resonant action he pulses 0Vdc to Vn dc. So the gating window where amplitude is higher he adjusted it to get Resonant Action. This simultaneous with the pulse frequency for the coil resonance.

The patent circuit driver does not do this, only 0V dc to Va dc. at the TIP120 transistor. Gate adjust the 0V to Va voltage pulse with?

Update:
When GATE is ON, voltage amplitude should go up to a higher pulse voltage level setting (gas pedal) gas production (step charge);
GATE OFF, amplitude is pulse resonance maintained (no step charge).
See circuit "voltage amplitude control".

Have you looked into this?

Br,
Webmug

Don stated that the Gating was a hand tuned part of the GMS... so once set its not messed with... its part of tuning??? ~Russ

Hi,
I'll first have to go study the short hand, GMS..,VA dc.., Vn dc.., etc....
Get back to you soon...Sorry...
Boere groete,
Mechanic.

[~Russ/Rwg42985]

updated my measurements with 30AWG... looks golden!!! see attached sheet on that post... thanks!

`Russ

http://open-source-energy.org/forum/show...80#pid3580

[Mechanic]

(03-12-2012 03:07 AM)~Russ/Rwg42985 Wrote:  updated my measurements with 30AWG... looks golden!!! see attached sheet on that post... thanks!

`Russ

http://open-source-energy.org/forum/show...80#pid3580

Hi Mr. Bussy Bee.

Do you have this in english....? Idon't understand a word can you make that more simple if posible... or give sch... or specs? Before you explain..., please help With my Questions earlier up in the post... 5v & 10v connect... and is this coils driving the circuits & cell...?

Boere groete,
Mechanic.
NB. I finished building the VIC work in prog.... schematics. Need to know about the small sch... on the first page of the pdf of this circuits as well...?

[Sharky]

(03-12-2012 05:43 PM)Mechanic Wrote:  

(03-12-2012 03:07 AM)~Russ/Rwg42985 Wrote:  updated my measurements with 30AWG... looks golden!!! see attached sheet on that post... thanks!

`Russ

http://open-source-energy.org/forum/show...80#pid3580

Hi Mr. Bussy Bee.

Do you have this in english....? Idon't understand a word can you make that more simple if posible... or give sch... or specs? Before you explain..., please help With my Questions earlier up in the post... 5v & 10v connect... and is this coils driving the circuits & cell...?

Boere groete,
Mechanic.
NB. I finished building the VIC work in prog.... schematics. Need to know about the small sch... on the first page of the pdf of this circuits as well...?

Hi Mechanic,
The first page of the pdf shows the main schematic that contains all the sub-schematics as they were created by Meyer and how they are interconnected. They also contain things needed in all sub schematics like the power connections. Currently the design makes use of +5V and +10V which are created from a +12V car battery via the 7805 and 7810 voltage regulators on that first page. If in the rest of the schematics there is a +5V connection, connect it to the 7805 voltage regulator and if there is a +10V connection connect it to the 7810 voltage regulator, thats all there is to it.

The Meyer WFC technology basically consists of three parts: 1) VIC Electronic circuits, 2) VIC Coils, 3) Cell. The electronics drive the coils which are connected to the cell. To make it work you need all three components, i for example at the moment do not have a good replication of the coil set and that is giving me problems getting the pll part of the electronics to work since resonance is not in the range for which the electronics are designed. This is why Russ and the rest on this forum are working to replicate all three things.

Hope this clears some things up for you, sorry for not always replying as fast as people like but we are all 'busy bees' as you called it but i will always try to make the time for answering questions. In the end we need as much people building all to get the errors out faster, ... by the way, ... dumb questions do not exist, the only one is the one you did not ask!!!

Sharky