Fluoridation of water

Matt Watts

Re: Fluoridation of water
« Reply #50, on July 9th, 2014, 09:23 AM »
Great question.  In the meantime, all we can do is continue to show average people the error of their ways.  One would hope eventually everybody will get mad and take action.

Lynx

Re: Fluoridation of water
« Reply #51, on July 9th, 2014, 09:43 AM »
I know we're just trying to do our very best to educate people of the health hazards that which resides within the every day products we're being offered at our shopping malls and in the process of doing so we're also being labelled as those screaming wolf, especially when wolf is something that which potentially could stop incoming cashflow to the powers that be, that way we will more or less always be portrayed as crazy old coots who should just be ignored.
Given that Doctors, Dentists, Scientists etc are strongly advocating the use of Fluoride and that we who roam Internet forums are merely just 'ordinary people', guess who's words weighs the most?

Matt Watts

Re: Fluoridation of water
« Reply #52, on July 9th, 2014, 04:47 PM »
Yes, we need an advantage; we need a lever.  Nothing could be better than to build a free energy device and show people just how limiting classical electrical engineering is.  At that point, the seed would be planted.  The stronger TPTB fight back, the more credibility they would lose and the faster the seed would germinate and grow.

Right now, I can tell people I work with that I completely refuse to drink city water as long as it contains fluoride.  Five years ago people would laugh at me.  Now they dip their head in agreement.  I took my son to the dentist the other day and when the dental assistant tried to give him a fluoride treatment, he refused.  She asked me about it and I said, "There is more than enough fluoride in our environment already and I agree that he doesn't need any more exposure to it."  And that was that.  Again, five years ago I would have been harshly chastised for that belief.  So I'm convinced defiance to this deadly scheme is still the best approach.  The line in the sand is approaching where more and more people push back and refuse.  Once that line is crossed, more people will feel free to go on the attack.  Then things will change rapidly.

We live in a world (by design) where people do not trust other people.  The "whoops" in this scheme, is that people no longer trust authority/experts either.  As long as you take advantage of this and use it to your benefit, you maintain the high ground.  Eventually we might find ourselves looking down on a crowd of evil, while they eat each other.  My best advice is to maintain the separation and continue to be defiant.  Those that recognize who the winning team is, will join us in this venture.  And those that don't...

There are plenty of seats available on the bus ride to hell.

Lynx

Re: Fluoridation of water
« Reply #53, on July 9th, 2014, 11:12 PM »
Thanks Matt and I agree on all counts.
The very best approach to point out for instance the potential hazards there are with using Fluoride is to be subtle and not push things, otherwise the 'crazy old coot' label will be handed to you by not just the ones you're trying to 'educate', but also from their friends & family.

I'd just like to bump the clip again, it's a very well made documentary which even puts names to the instigators of this whole mess, something which I never thought I'd live to see.
I know it's 28 minutes long, but it will be well spent 28 minutes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuTD-FGwLr0#

Matt Watts


Lynx

Re: Fluoridation of water
« Reply #58, on February 26th, 2015, 01:50 PM »
It's interesting though that Bryson says in his documentary (the fluoride deception, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuTD-FGwLr0#) that one possible reason to this whole fluoride mess could in fact be found in the deceptive plan made out in WW2, which purpose was to make fluoride seem harmless for those working with it in diffusion plants which produced nuke bomb material.

After that then, when the Mellon institute 'proved' to the World that fluoride strengthens the teeth and is otherwise completely harmless to people, the rest is, well, history.

Let's just hope that the (not too distant) future indeed will spread the truth about fluoride to everyone everywhere.

Matt Watts

Re: Fluoridation of water
« Reply #59, on February 26th, 2015, 02:24 PM »
Quote from Lynx on February 26th, 2015, 01:50 PM
Let's just hope that the (not too distant) future indeed will spread the truth about fluoride to everyone everywhere.
I'd like to see the truth about everything be told to everyone.  I can't imagine a better way to bring people together than for them to have in-your-face-proof, here's what is going on.  I'm afraid on many fronts, to do that would require raising the dead to give testimony as to their role.

It does make me wonder...  Somewhere in the human psyche there lives a place where people will believe a lie.  I wish I knew why it was so easy for that phenomena to exist.  If a person could come up with a truth serum and replace fluoride with it, in a matter of months everyone would be wise to the agenda.  First problem solved.

Sulaiman

Re: Fluoridation of water
« Reply #60, on February 26th, 2015, 04:16 PM »Last edited on February 26th, 2015, 04:34 PM by Sulaiman
I do wish that you would all stop complaining about fluoridation of our water supply,
how else are we supposed to dispose of nuclear power toxic waste?
You can not just dump it in the river, it will kill all the fish.

Anecdotal but interesting;
my brother-in-law moved to an island (for his scuba diving business) so his children grew up on spring water unlike us on the mainland (this is when I lived in Malaysia) who had the 'benefit' of treated water.
when a dentist saw his children's perfect teeth he immediately asked where they were brought up ... as it couldn't be in the city!

As an aside, I recently re-started chemistry as a hobby, there are certain risks that I take
but I stay away from fluorine after reading of the terribly damaging effects on our bodies.
According to my water supply company there is 1ppm fluoride in my water
which no amount of boiling will remove,
so I am working on a Mk.II version of my water still.
I will be losing some minerals but they will come from food anyway.



Matt Watts

Re: Fluoridation of water
« Reply #61, on February 26th, 2015, 05:11 PM »Last edited on February 26th, 2015, 05:15 PM
Quote from Sulaiman on February 26th, 2015, 04:16 PM
As an aside, I recently re-started chemistry as a hobby, there are certain risks that I take
but I stay away from fluorine after reading of the terribly damaging effects on our bodies.
According to my water supply company there is 1ppm fluoride in my water
which no amount of boiling will remove,
so I am working on a Mk.II version of my water still.
Keep us posted on what you come up with.  I use a water distiller, then filtration.  The water is good enough to put in a lead acid battery, but I still wonder how much crap is still in there.  It's the best I know to do at the moment.  If you have some better ideas, I'm surely listening and will give it a try.

BTW, for mineral supplements, I've had good luck with this product so far:
http://www.sgn80.com/shop/mineral-magic-1-lb.html

I've found, only use what you need, not the recommended dose.  I think our bodies are so use to being mineral deficient that it's easy to "overdose" on the stuff and get weird reactions to it.  For example:  I put a little in my dog's water, but too much and she starts itching.  Start small, work up.  I've also noticed, plants love this stuff.  If it's good for them, it's probably good for us.

If you do look for other mineral substitutes, be really careful.  I found a product everyone was raving about, did a little digging and determined it contained aluminum and arsenic--that can't be good, especially not aluminum since this stuff is everywhere now.  Monsanto is working hard to make aluminum resistance GM plants/seeds, so you have to know aluminum is in the cards, so to speak.

Gunther Rattay

Re: Fluoridation of water
« Reply #62, on February 27th, 2015, 12:46 AM »
Quote from Sulaiman on February 26th, 2015, 04:16 PM
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so I am working on a Mk.II version of my water still.
I will be losing some minerals but they will come from food anyway.
what is Mk. II?

How about reverse osmosis filters?

Sulaiman

Re: Fluoridation of water
« Reply #63, on February 27th, 2015, 04:14 AM »
Mk.II comes after Mk.I

Mk. is just an abbreviation for Mark or Version

My Mk.I water still uses an aluminium boiling pot (an old pressure cooker pot)
and air cooled copper tubing.
It can only operate at a few drops per second (which is too slow) or it loses steam, which costs money
(2.26 MJ per litre of water)
and I do not want copper ions in my drinking or chemistry water.



I'm in the process of assembling an all glass (borosilicate) still using a water cooled (Leibig) condenser
this should provide purer water at a higher rate.
The main 'problem' is that my wife just bought a new (natural/piped) gas cooker that she does not want me to use for my chemistry
(understandable if you see what happened to the old one)
So the still will be in my lab/shed using electrical heating which triples the production cost.
I am considering the running cost of a gas (propane tank) setup,
but I prefer to use only electrical heating in the shed for (relative) safety
as I will also be distilling volatile substances for my chemistry hobby.
(in a separate still, I already have a complete all glass Quickfit 10/19 size Leibig setup, (small size)
and 14/19 air condenser setup)
I have most of the 24/29 size setup for the new water still, bidding for last couple of bits on eBay.
No hurry as I've only just been able to walk around, hope to be fitter soon.

I'll post performance, photo's and analysis of distilled water quality when done.

Lynx


Matt Watts

Re: Fluoridation of water
« Reply #65, on May 7th, 2015, 10:52 AM »
Quote from Lynx on May 7th, 2015, 03:13 AM
What gives?
The heavily fluoridated population has discovered, that even though this substance severely reduces IQ and other cognitive function, the said principal behind having fluoride in the water still does not make sense.

 :s

Sometimes I crack myself up.

 :D   :blush:

Gunther Rattay

Re: Fluoridation of water
« Reply #66, on May 7th, 2015, 11:12 AM »Last edited on May 7th, 2015, 12:12 PM
Quote from Matt Watts on May 7th, 2015, 10:52 AM
The heavily fluoridated population has discovered, that even though this substance severely reduces IQ and other cognitive function, the said principal behind having fluoride in the water still does not make sense.

 :s

Sometimes I crack myself up.

 :D   :blush:
it´s all about "BRAWNDO, THE THIRST MUTILATOR! "

why?

"It contains electrolyte" :s


https://youtu.be/lEEa83Tsjrg?t=3998

Matt Watts

Re: Fluoridation of water
« Reply #67, on May 7th, 2015, 11:43 AM »
"It's got what plants (life) crave."  Poison and death.

Yeah, that's the stuff empires are made from.

Lynx


mercury101

Re: Fluoridation of water
« Reply #69,  »
reverse osmosis is similar to distilation for removing compounds. and yes activated coconut charcoal for pleasant flavour.  that was my investment to remove Flouride.  filters are relatively cheap or you can get a larger filter and buy the activated charcoal in a bag and refill the filter.
any questions just message here or pm me

Lynx

Re: Fluoridation of water
« Reply #70,  »
Quote from mercury101 on October 26th, 2016, 03:11 PM
reverse osmosis is similar to distilation for removing compounds. and yes activated coconut charcoal for pleasant flavour.  that was my investment to remove Flouride.  filters are relatively cheap or you can get a larger filter and buy the activated charcoal in a bag and refill the filter.
any questions just message here or pm me
Awesome, thanks :thumbsup:

mercury101

Re: Fluoridation of water
« Reply #71,  »
There is one other type of treatment that may remove flouride. It is an ozone system. I installed a couple for different water issues. O3 is  ery reactive and this one company uses a special stainless impeller that is not affected the usual way with air cavitation effect. It is a ventury injection system of ozone and recirculates it through a vessel with a "purge float" assembly at the top. The controller dose have a recirc based on stand alone time. It also has flow switch to make sure adequate ozone for given design capacity. I will check with the manufacturer if the ozone is reactive on flouride in the water. I suspect it is. And unlike R/O that uses a water shed  and wasting water this system doesnt cast water as waste.

Hmm will check it out after my course

Merc

Matt Watts

Re: Fluoridation of water
« Reply #72,  »
Just out of curiosity, if ozone reacts with fluoride, what is the by-product?   Is that still harmful too?

mercury101

Re: Fluoridation of water
« Reply #73,  »
I am not sure. Ozone being still an oxidizer seems to bring many things to a more neutral state.  For example ever walk the shoreline at the beach and notice the fresh smell as the waves lap the shore? Did you know mother nature is producing small amounts of ozone from the wave action? Oxygen has some unusual properties. It is influenced by magnetism in a liquid state where as other gasses are not.
Tests have been done to use ozone to neutralize many wastes such as sewage  and also soils leatched with heavy hydrocarbons.  When i am done this level of my apprenticeship schooling i will track down some links for you here. Then you can read for yourself.
As a water treatment i think it has been bypassed because chlorine is often used and i suspect in some cases has flouride added for municipal systems to use.  Ah yes the plot thickens. I will forward a study that based on feasibility over time proves to be cost effective for municipal water treatment yet chlorine and flouride still reign supreme.

Matt Watts

Re: Fluoridation of water
« Reply #74,  »
Quote from mercury101 on October 30th, 2016, 05:47 PM
I am not sure. Ozone being still an oxidizer seems to bring many things to a more neutral state.  For example ever walk the shoreline at the beach and notice the fresh smell as the waves lap the shore?
I'm a believer in ozone for some things most certainly.  I have an ozone generator in my shower room.  I can run it for 15 minutes after I take a shower then leave the door shut for an hour or so.  When I come back, the bathroom smells like there was a natural rainstorm in there.
Quote from mercury101 on October 30th, 2016, 05:47 PM
Did you know mother nature is producing small amounts of ozone from the wave action? Oxygen has some unusual properties. It is influenced by magnetism in a liquid state where as other gasses are not.
Tests have been done to use ozone to neutralize many wastes such as sewage  and also soils leatched with heavy hydrocarbons.  When i am done this level of my apprenticeship schooling i will track down some links for you here. Then you can read for yourself.
As a water treatment i think it has been bypassed because chlorine is often used and i suspect in some cases has flouride added for municipal systems to use.  Ah yes the plot thickens. I will forward a study that based on feasibility over time proves to be cost effective for municipal water treatment yet chlorine and flouride still reign supreme.
Chlorine is bad stuff, but when combined with oxygen to produce chlorine dioxide, it's the most powerful oxidizer/cleanser that I know of.  You can soak in it, drink it, do all sorts of stuff with it and it is completely harmless to healthy tissue.  Anything else though is going to get zapped.

There's a video someplace (wish I could find it again), done by a German researcher explaining the differences between chlorine dioxide and ozone.  The main thing he explains is the voltage levels.  Normal healthy tissue can handle approximate 1.45 volts per membrane.  Chlorine dioxide works at approximately 1.4 volts where ozone is over 2 volts.  Basically at the cellular level things are all electrical.  As long as you don't exceed the breakdown threshold, normal cells will thrive and weak/damaged cells will be destroyed.  He goes on to state that most pathogens begin to break down at approximately 1.3 volts or lower.  Heavy metals and other toxins are electrically bonded and are flushed out of the body fairly quick.  Some very interesting research with a lot of testimonies showing support.