New Member Seeking some Help

Mooney

New Member Seeking some Help
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Hi guys \o

New member here. I have been a replicator mostly but self taught electronics over the years. Previously I built a HHO setup based on Dave Lawton's circuit but it wasn't so good as I missed a few things. Someone on Facebook pointed me to Valentin Petkov's videos and as a result I found these boards. After having read a few topics for a few days I have learnt new things I did not know previously. So please bear with me as I recount them so I can start building a new circuit to incorporate the new knowledge.

- The pulse train should be around 42.8 khz, short sharp pulses.
- The pulse train should be intermittent, that is a 555 ic giving on off signals at an interval of say "X" time units to the oscillator
IC (which will be IR2153 or SG3524) oscillating at 42.8 khz.
- The transformer is a 3/8" dia 7" long ferrite bar. With 500 turn primary wire 22 SWG and 3000 turns 26 SWG.

Now the part about Tesla coil circuit incorporation to intensify voltage. That is how its done right? By making that at the secondary and connecting the WFC? I have tried to find what was written a "tesla resonant tank" but could not find its diagram. I do have the resonant bifilar choke diagram from Petkov's. Is that the same thing?

Which gives rise to another question. The Tesla coil thing will make its own frequencies and pulse train when the spark gap discharges, so why pulse at 42.8 khz to begin with? I know I am probably making a mistake. I have tried to find a circuit diagram, read explanations, but its difficult for me to understand explanations. Diagrams are the language of engineers. Can someone kindly guide me by helping me figure out the circuit past the transformer with 500 : 3000 windings? I will be in your debt.

P.S.: I am planning on taking pictures and making vids of this build, which will take a few weeks at most or few days. I will share them here.


patrick1

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kick some ass Moon,

much wisedom here.

-- Biogas is win

Mooney

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Thanks Patrick, but I can not build it before I understand what is happening in the chokes before the WFC. It is why I made the thread. I need help with that part of the build. I expected people here to scrutinize the idea, take it apart, correct it where it is wrong.

Gunther Rattay

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Getting the VIC transformer right and tuned to the WFC is the one and only important part of the system left over. Without that component all additional efforts are for the bin. Right now for the other parts of the system solutions/replications are found but not for the transformer.

talking about oscillator makes no longer sense because sharp edges and spaced pulses are solved and state-of-the art for more than 10 years now but the transformer part  is open space so far ...

you won´t get the transformer explained but you can build some of them, analyze their operational results and learn to optimize.
so far noone has valid formula for VIC transformer calculation.

I think Petkov´s approach makes sense to dig in  and learn ...

patrick1

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ive been talking too matt here, about this,  - i am looking at changing my approach, -

my standard electro cells, make gas, and are easy too get good numbers of LPH,  for watts.

my main excitement about meyers work, is that the cells dont break,  they last forever,  - or so i thought, - but actaully that may not be true at all.

-  so instead i think the best approach is simpley too aim at max gas production, with the VIC rather than perfect electron seperation operation.

Mooney

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Quote from patrick1 on March 12th, 04:14 AM
ive been talking too matt here, about this,  - i am looking at changing my approach, -

my standard electro cells, make gas, and are easy too get good numbers of LPH,  for watts.

my main excitement about meyers work, is that the cells dont break,  they last forever,  - or so i thought, - but actaully that may not be true at all.

-  so instead i think the best approach is simpley too aim at max gas production, with the VIC rather than perfect electron seperation operation.
I think so too. I used to have a series cell just like a 12v battery but with 316L plates powered without a PWM, Pretty sure that it gave me 20 to 25% increase in mileage with about 5 amps of straight DC current. Right now I have no cell in the car. So any improvements over that will be satisfactory for me for the time being.

patrick1

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whats your statement means too me mooney,

-  i used too, and still do, get off on the complex stuff,  - however i want more, - so often my builds are less.

humility demanded i come down too earth, and i will work my way back up again,  continuously

Mooney

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Quote from patrick1 on March 13th, 08:19 AM
whats your statement means too me mooney,

-  i used too, and still do, get off on the complex stuff,  - however i want more, - so often my builds are less.

humility demanded i come down too earth, and i will work my way back up again,  continuously
So Patrick can I ask what is your HHO production system comprised of, as it exists. Plates close together with least gap, pulsed DC feed maybe from a car's ignition coil, at high frequency with on/off intervals to the waveform, perhaps a water pump to keep the water flowing through the plate gaps (saw this method recommended by some lesser known hho inventor).

Perhaps if everyone pools in and consolidates their experiences from their experiments and newcomers can read them in concise posts it will save the later generations much time combing for information and piecing it together. Again my own goal is same as yours, to produce hho as efficiently as possible. If I had to go 100% hydrogen powered car I would forget about onboard on-the-fly hydrogen production and instead produce it with a solar panel at home all day for free, collect it, clean, dry and process it and finally store it in a proper cylinder. Even then there would be engine timing or perhaps even head modifications to make it run properly on 100% hydrogen (I think).

patrick1

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honestly my first cells were all round, capacitor shape things,  and have morphed into flat plate cells. -  -pulsing systems have made little too no effect on the efficiency, - but its hard too tell, because when you turn the cells off, its hard too shake the gas off the paltes etc.  - hard too say at this stage, weather its worth a half ass meyer sytstem .. i think not.-   pulsing seems better, but not by much.

so anyways i would personally rather spread my work around, and doff hats too the meyer replicatiors who are doing a fine job.


btw hho is an easy insignificant part of meyers setup if you ask me...... -- processing and mix'ing the other constituents is the big time game.