Electric vaporizer 90 mpg

Sulaiman

Re: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #75, on February 11th, 2015, 09:41 AM »Last edited on February 11th, 2015, 09:45 AM by Sulaiman
I think that we are diverting too much from this thread/topic
I think that it would be better to open a new topic if you want to proceed with this discussion.
maybe on your workbench?
and some kind moderator could remove these posts to there?

freethisone

Re: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #76, on February 11th, 2015, 11:20 AM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvMLkbnXRPE#

the water coming out is the wasted fuel. i would like to know the temperature of it. the can now be hit with a glow plug or hcat. to accelerate it even faster.
Re: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #77, on February 12th, 2015, 02:58 AM »Last edited on February 12th, 2015, 03:00 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na9ORhYjvJU#ws

i was looking at it from another point of view. adding a venture can oxygenate the fuels, i would use superheated air conditioned in a tesla turbine.
include a steam chamber. i can vent water, or steam into the cylinder or hho. i can use a hcat to precondition, or a spark gap chamber.

the point is the door is wide open..

a wet sump vent to add water or even hho to the mix. these are my ideas any one can come up with better?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZMjDgM3LaU#ws
Re: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #78, on February 12th, 2015, 05:15 AM »Last edited on February 12th, 2015, 05:29 AM
I was thinking, the Geet reactor works on similar principles.
I say i can improve a geet reactor by incorporation super heated steam, or browns gas, or a vapor of gasoline.
i can mix anything i want into the combustion chamber.

what would you incorporate into the chamber? steam? ionized fuel? carbon atoms from smoke?
i think if you added water into the geet reactor by way of venture inlet, then you can mix any preconditioned fuel of your choice.
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You want to render the fuel injector useless then add directly oxygen ozone, and hho into the chamber, add a glow plug or hcat to complete, or supersonic traducer to boot, Tesla turbine, spark gap or what ever you can think of. O:-)



so i was thinking about your idea, and basically a work around and is special. . so as you see the epg  works on the same principles, because it is a particle accelerator, and both have the ability to incorporate different fuels,and mixtures. super heated steam or atomized vapors.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wokswr_KHXQ#
Re: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #79, on February 12th, 2015, 02:40 PM »Last edited on February 12th, 2015, 02:45 PM
What similarity do you see with the Geet reactor compared to a venture T?   i see it do you?





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbEYkKKxG1U#ws


With that you can improve upon a reactor build ,by incorporating what was just learned.

incorporation of second gas into the venturie system is recommended, by way of geet reactor, and venturie inlet tube..

in effect a Tesla turbine may benefit with the same improvements.adding a mix of water and air to run the turbine.
Re: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #80, on February 13th, 2015, 06:15 AM »
one of Townsend Browns inventions explained.  good info if you are building a
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or even a charged atomized vapor with a spark gap..

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are rendered more conductive by the intense ionization
of the electric arc. In the form of this invention illus
tratcd in FIGURE 2, the high voltage alternating current
causing and maintaining the arc is likewise the excitation
current of the generator. Flat electrones 10, 12 are ad
justable from feed screws 24, 26. The arc formed be
tween these electrodes is initiated and maintained by a
high voltage, making it unnecessary to move the elec
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plates 28, 30 which, in turn, are held in position by heavy
insulated casing 32 and backe dfor mechanical strength
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chamber in the direction of arrow 34, forcibly fannìng
the arc in the direction of arrow 34. The movement
of the material, together with the transverse current of
the A_C. arc, creates an alternating magnetic field within
coil 18 of FIGURE l.
FIGURE 3 is a combined diagrammatic and schematic
illustration of a complete power unit showing a water
or mercury boiler 35, the vapor-electric generator 36
which includes core 38, coil 40 and electrodes 42, 44,
exciter transformer 46, vapor condenser 48, and electrical
load 37, together with necessary steam lines and electrical
wiring. The steam or other vapor generated in boiler
3S passes through the vapor-electric generator 36 and is
reduced in velocity thereby. Thence, the low proesure
steam ñows in a larger pipe 50 and passes into condenser
' 48, is condensed and returned in liquid state to boiler 35,
wherefrom the cycle is repeated.
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current must be present before actual generation begins.
For this reason, the exciter 45 must have an independent
source of energy supply 52. However, after the process
is started. the power output may be tapped, as at trans
former 37, for that fraction of the current required to
excite the generator, but certain control devices attached
to and comprising exciter 46 must be employed to main
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Re: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #81, on February 13th, 2015, 06:19 PM »
the find of a life time.. this is not just a how to video, it also proves the concept once and for all.

what i did was prove the super heated gas is real, and a Tesla turbine is ideal, for pulling a vacuum from a flask thereby creating a vapor.
skip to the very end to see the water heated from a turbine.

advancement, adding a venturie tube now would be a huge improvement. i

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1OlhrzJKMY#

Matt Watts

Re: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #82, on February 13th, 2015, 11:25 PM »
Quote from freethisone on February 13th, 2015, 06:19 PM
a Tesla turbine is ideal, for pulling a vacuum from a flask thereby creating a vapor.
Nice find Free.  Had no idea a Tesla turbine could pull a vacuum.  Sweet!

freethisone

Re: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #83, on February 17th, 2015, 06:34 AM »
http://inspectapedia.com/water/Water_Tank_Air_Add_Valve.htm


all this stuff goes hand and hand. here i found a way to add water and air together , this would be ideal for Tesla turbine conditioning of fluid to be used as a fuel. the object heat the fluid into a vapor,. use this as fuel. water, and air.  use this with a venture system, use with geet reactor, or other uses.

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Re: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #84, on February 19th, 2015, 05:42 AM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f949gpKdCI4#ws


by another means incorporate the magnetic flow meter.into a EPG, or for placing the venturie fl  ow devise directly after the particles are split into there positive, and negative charges, causes the atoms to come back together more forcefully., similar is the principle of the epg were magnetic fluid is split into north and south poles.  Stan Meyer incorporating the permanent magnet principle about the spark gap chamber. now its understood simply as a separation of magnetic fluid into its constituent parts. one other fact uncovered the magnetic fluid moves slowly as Stan had said.

now we understand more about the epg, and how we can use magnetic flow meter as a way to condition the fluid, and accelerate it even further. then it will induce a voltage in a coil, or stretch any fuel to its potential.

brettly

Re: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #85, on March 10th, 2015, 03:58 AM »
I'm not sure if water foggers ( ultrasonic) have been brought up in this thread.
There was a youtube video showing a water fogger in water, with a layer of petrol above the water,
the petrol still got vaporised. It might even work with a layer of thin plastic over the water, with petrol above ( too keep the vaporiser electrically isolated from the petrol) You can of course use the foggers directly in petrol but a bit risky I think.
Lets say you set up a water fogger to vaporise the petrol and allow it to enter via the air intake, on a modern car would the car still run? Assuming the petrol injectors are plugged off, and some method to pump petrol to a vaporiser.

freethisone

Re: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #86, on March 10th, 2015, 08:43 AM »Last edited on March 10th, 2015, 08:49 AM
Quote from brettly on March 10th, 2015, 03:58 AM
I'm not sure if water foggers ( ultrasonic) have been brought up in this thread.
There was a youtube video showing a water fogger in water, with a layer of petrol above the water,
the petrol still got vaporised. It might even work with a layer of thin plastic over the water, with petrol above ( too keep the vaporiser electrically isolated from the petrol) You can of course use the foggers directly in petrol but a bit risky I think.
Lets say you set up a water fogger to vaporise the petrol and allow it to enter via the air intake, on a modern car would the car still run? Assuming the petrol injectors are plugged off, and some method to pump petrol to a vaporiser.
modern cars use mass air. if u want to pipe it into the air inlet , u will need to pipe it in before the mass air unit. otherwise it wont run right,
sequential map sensors are a better choice because its not a lean situation.  mass air sensor recalibration will be needed, calibrations can be made by a qualified center, costs are about 250 dollars.

there is another way. that no carburetor , or spark plug is needed.. just need to look at page 1, find the patent it relates to.

in 1920 mass air was not used yet.   so all was done all tuning was done at the carburetor. air, and fuel  was mixed there.


brettly

Re: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #87, on March 11th, 2015, 03:43 AM »
thnx for that , sounds complex!

freethisone

Re: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #88, on April 14th, 2015, 02:03 PM »
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Re: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #89, on April 14th, 2015, 02:06 PM »Last edited on April 14th, 2015, 02:13 PM
Quote from brettly on March 11th, 2015, 03:43 AM
thnx for that , sounds complex!
making a car run on water is not a easy task if the motor is not designed for that.

now that you know 20 % ethanol in cars, and a lot of water too is already in your fuel, a vaporizer will do a better job than any of Stan myers stuff.

i outlined key features and advancements to do just that. run the car on superheated steam. but instead i simply use it as a converter, and choose to run the car on electric.

its easy to see how a small electrical motor, or in our case super heated steam turbine,or better yes superheated steam injection. 
for practical purposes..

Cycle

Re: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #90, on April 17th, 2015, 07:46 PM »Last edited on April 17th, 2015, 07:48 PM by Cycle
Quote from freethisone on April 14th, 2015, 02:03 PM
Second, in the shop I regularly see check engine lights that will not stay off due to multiple misfires (often too slight to notice) resulting from carbon and sludge buildup on fuel injectors, intake manifolds, pistons, and cylinder walls. The fix for this is labor intensive – a technician must disassemble the top part of the engine and literally scrub the carbon off engine parts for the car to run right. Unless resulting from another specific problem, this is caused by unburned/low quality fuel 19 times out of 20.
No need to go to such extremes... a thick fog of water vapor directed into the intake to loosen carbon deposits, along with 2 oz/10 gal of acetone in your gas to burn the carbon deposits and loosen the sludge buildup, along with a good high speed run will blow the carbon and sludge right out.

freethisone

Re: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #91, on April 17th, 2015, 09:25 PM »Last edited on April 17th, 2015, 09:27 PM
Quote from Cycle on April 17th, 2015, 07:46 PM
No need to go to such extremes... a thick fog of water vapor directed into the intake to loosen carbon deposits, along with 2 oz/10 gal of acetone in your gas to burn the carbon deposits and loosen the sludge buildup, along with a good high speed run will blow the carbon and sludge right out.
As of 2014 i found many new improved experimenters dealing with this application, over the geet reactor. but still i say i can do far better with a tesla turbine...

this is how far we past the geet reactor..  this is how simple as it gets.

 for cheap homemade proposal., as u see this can be advanced in any number of ways and is a practical application on the cheap...

so here you go 2 more simple ways to do what was done in `the 1920 s

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWstiuK9bqk#

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58IkmPK6ikc#
Re: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #93, on April 18th, 2015, 02:24 PM »Last edited on April 18th, 2015, 02:32 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW0moXn9y9U#


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrtyTXNyIbk#

just as a proof of concept i concluded there is a possibility of a closed loop, as stated. but this is a older movie.

i can do much better with Tesla. 500 mph plus i claim i can achieve based on all that has been learned, including my advancements...


ps ball valves are the worst valve to use for this application...

a dollar is more gooder lol..


Now i say Mr teselonian can have his new refinery based on smoke in carbon atoms. in other words MR T can achieve directly from fire to fuel vapors in one step, from wood stove to the refinement process, and then directly into a engine


as he stated, the ball valve is all wrong for this application.. As i claim the Tesla turbine will win the battle in the end. we are talking heat....

Enrg4life

Re: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #94, on April 19th, 2015, 06:34 PM »
Has any one ever tried running a second engine off of the fumes of a first engine?

kenssurplus

Re: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #95, on April 19th, 2015, 06:48 PM »
Yeah, I heard from one of the principals involved in the geet drama that there were tests done linking several car engines together (exhaust from one to the intake of the next) with all but the first one sucessfully running off of nothing but exhaust from the previous one.  I think the first one was just a regular gasoline fed engine and not modified with a geet reactor If I recall correctly.  (been a number of years).

Enrg4life

Re: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #96, on April 20th, 2015, 05:57 AM »
I think i'm going to try this today. Maybe my truck could run my garden tractor then my 10 hp generator. That would be pretty cool. Or my Prius hybrid  exhaust could run a generator to recharge the battery bank faster to   run the electric motor more. We will see what happens.
Re: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #97, on April 20th, 2015, 06:10 PM »
I was not able to get the garden tractor or the generator to run on exhaust fumes from other engines. How ever i did get them to run on gasoline fumes quite easily. All i had to do was  remove the gas line feeding the carburetor and put the gas can nozzle about an inch away from the air intake, the generator and the garden tractor ran quite well that way for a couple hours each

Matt Watts

Re: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #98, on April 20th, 2015, 06:37 PM »
Now try that with gasoline that has been sitting around for a couple of years.  It will still smell like gasoline, but it won't burn.  Do the same thing with alcohol and it won't matter how long it sits.  That should tell you something.  It did me.

~Russ

Re: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #99, on April 21st, 2015, 07:34 AM »Last edited on April 21st, 2015, 07:36 AM
Quote from Enrg4life on April 20th, 2015, 06:10 PM
I was not able to get the garden tractor or the generator to run on exhaust fumes from other engines. How ever i did get them to run on gasoline fumes quite easily. All i had to do was  remove the gas line feeding the carburetor and put the gas can nozzle about an inch away from the air intake, the generator and the garden tractor ran quite well that way for a couple hours each
thanks for the test and feed back.

its an interesting test

~Russ