Electric vaporizer 90 mpg

freethisone

Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« on January 30th, 2012, 01:20 PM »
Looking into the significant of vaporized fuel and combustion Of this simple device.
Inventors such as Clyde white as a founder, and perhaps started this revolution in energy efficiency. the design of the devices related to the vaporization  for fuel combustion, without need for spark plugs or carburetors.

I will advance this with some science, and would like you to follow along...

patents  related, and  obtained during, or before  1921 are significant. Modern developments make this simple concept, a most viable resource.


 My friends Gram's also worked along this field. he had sold a similar invention for  a nice profit.

:angel:
:angel:


Electric vaporizers


Clyde claimed 90 MPG :angel:
RE: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #1, on February 1st, 2012, 09:41 AM »Last edited on February 1st, 2012, 10:08 AM by freethisone
Similar device
My friends grand dad had invented a electric vaporizer, and he used it without the need for carburetor, or spark plug.
He sold it in 1921 or before, and received 25 k dollars, and some land. It was claimed to get 90 mpg without the use of the above mentioned.

I have searched patents in hope to find the exact devise. The only things i could find are electric vaporizers that are similar.
The name of the devise was electric vaporizer, and my friend still has the letters of the inquires made to various corporations before the idea, or patent was sold.

This will be easy to duplicate, and i hope you try in your future endeavors of experimenting with free or clean efficient energy.
you can do a patent search, and find about 10 patents related to electric vaporizers.

cheers..

phil

RE: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #2, on February 2nd, 2012, 09:44 AM »
Quote from freethisone on February 1st, 2012, 09:41 AM
Similar device
My friends grand dad had invented a electric vaporizer, and he used it without the need for carburetor, or spark plug.
He sold it in 1921 or before, and received 25 k dollars, and some land. It was claimed to get 90 mpg without the use of the above mentioned.

I have searched patents in hope to find the exact devise. The only things i could find are electric vaporizers that are similar.
The name of the devise was electric vaporizer, and my friend still has the letters of the inquires made to various corporations before the idea, or patent was sold.

This will be easy to duplicate, and i hope you try in your future endeavors of experimenting with free or clean efficient energy.
you can do a patent search, and find about 10 patents related to electric vaporizers.

cheers..
There was a guy called allen caggiano who built a vapour carb called a FIVS or something like that. He struggled with supression of the device for years and ended up in jail. When he got out and realised he was fighting a losing battle he open sourced all the plans and patents as a big F-you to the oil barrons. Ive looked at them briefly but not in enough detail to really comment on them too much.

freethisone

RE: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #3, on February 3rd, 2012, 01:25 PM »Last edited on February 3rd, 2012, 01:30 PM by freethisone
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There was a guy called allen caggiano who built a vapour carb called a FIVS or something like that. He struggled with supression of the device for years and ended up in jail. When he got out and realised he was fighting a losing battle he open sourced all the plans and patents as a big F-you to the oil barrons. Ive looked at them briefly but not in enough detail to really comment on them too much.

vapour carb
Could you find a link for the FIVS? Is this the device?   http://www.renovationpress.com/AllenCaggiano.html

Thanks I would love to check it out..

   The Preview 2002 issue of Electrifying Times featured an article about gasoline vapor injection systems for automobiles that allow 100-200 mpg. These high mileage systems have been around for 50 years but the technology has been suppressed and kept secret. Vapor injection patents have been bought out by major auto and oil companies. A revived emergence of this technology is surfacing, due to limited oil supplies resulting in increased gas prices. The computer age has allowed refined vapor injection technology to reach new levels. 150 mpg vapor injection prototype systems are secretly being installed in various vehicles around the US. Here is an excerpt of the article. For the full story, send away for the Preview 2002 back issue of  Electrifying Times and receive the most comprehensive story ever printed on the history of vapor injection systems.

RUNNING ON VAPOR
By Bruce Meland,
Editor and Publisher of Electrifying Times

It is an often a misconception that most vehicles burn gasoline vapors in their internal combustion engines. The fact of the matter is, gasoline powered vehicles burn finely divided particles or droplets that are sprayed from the carburetor or fuel injectors, into the engine cylinders.

This is a very wasteful process of converting gasoline or diesel to energy. Maybe 20-30 % efficiency at most. It has been known and demonstrated for 60 or more years that burning gasoline vapors will give easily 5 times the mpg and near zero emissions. Actually if the vapors are heated to the necessary temperature of 450 degrees F, the gasoline vapors are actually fractionalized by catalytic cracking and converted to smaller light molecular hydrocarbons, methane and methanol. In my travels around the world I have been in contact with some very informed inventors, relatives or associates of inventors who have known of many high mileage low emission vapor carburetors. I am sure many of you have heard of the Pogue, Covey, and Fish high mileage carburetors.

I recently decided write about my experiences and investigations of high mileage vapor carburetors because they produce less and almost near zero emissions. Lets be realistic, the best and fastest way to clean up the vehicle air pollution problems in congested cities involves the encouragement of the automobile and oil companies to bring out of the closet the many designs and patents of high mileage carburetors and injection systems. Using computer regulated technology, these patents can be upgraded to work much better.

The gas prices are going up, more cars are on the road, and more cities are experiencing extreme vehicle exhaust pollution. Lets raise the price of gas and sell the same amount of gas, (due to rapid increase of car population) and let the car get 100 mpg with near zero emissions. This would help preserve fossil fuels for many generations to come and help clean up the planet in a short period of time.

A crash program to install vapor carbs and injection systems on the 600 million vehicles world wide would be a quick and clean way to make cities more livable world wide, and reduce serious health effects such as respiratory congestion and cancer. In fact, the development of Electric Vehicles, Hybrid Electric Vehicles and Fuel Cell vehicles are not proceeding at a fast enough pace to make a dent cleaning up the air in most cities. The auto population explosion world wide is frustrating motorists, city transportation planners, and road maintenance departments. In the Unites States highway building and maintenance funds are not keeping up with the auto explosion.

The Japanese call the U.S. "The Car Society". The auto explosion is also causing the increased rate of the build-up of harmful pollutants and greenhouse gases and hence global warming and increased incidences of severe weather. The internal combustion engine is considered as the greatest emitter of greenhouse gases worldwide. When one considers there are 200 million vehicles running the streets, highways, and freeways here in the U.S. and a total of 6-700 million vehicles world wide, then the urgency of drastic cleanup measures seems evident.

Now for the rest of the story! In 1936, according to widespread news accounts, Charles Pogue equipped a Ford V8 coupe that reportedly got over 200 MPG. In the summer of 1935 he drove the V8 Ford from Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada to Vancouver B.C. Canada. He got 1879.5 miles on 14.5 gallons of gasoline. A standard carburetor used 106.5 gallons on the same trip. Did these tests actually take place?.. Did Charles N. Pogue sell-out? Ray Covey, who contacted the Pogue family, said that John Pogue, Charles's cousin, stated in a recent taped interview, that "Pogue Carbs were installed in some U.S. tanks and Jeeps in North Africa, during WWII."

It's all in the Electrifying Times Preview 2002 issue. By being informed you can help clean up :shy::rolleyes::shy::rolleyes:
RE: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #4, on February 3rd, 2012, 04:31 PM »Last edited on December 20th, 2012, 07:13 PM by freethisone
smoke from carbon atoms break bonds under heat , and pressure.
introduce superheated steam. H O2

Additions for nitrogen as a quenching agent. Light From Russ EPG processor. plus Pulsed light? addictions of uv lighting etc.

 from corona, or magnetic means. Electra  magnet. Secondary effects. untested. Yet will act as, and will  carboniz-es,  fuses carbons in exotic bonds to create energy. Ion cations.
 by increased temperature, and by magnetic means.

add paint..:huh:

lol i must be dislectic. ha ha ha.

~Russ

RE: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #5, on February 4th, 2012, 01:16 AM »
Quote from freethisone on February 3rd, 2012, 04:31 PM
smoke from carbon atoms break bonds under heat , and pressure.
introduce superheated steam. H O2

Additions for nitrogen as a quenching agent. Light From Russ EPG processor. plus Pulsed light? addictions of uv lighting etc.

 from corona, or magnetic means. Electra  magnet. Secondary effects. untested. Yet will act as, and will  carboniz-es,  fuses carbons in exotic bonds to create energy. Ion cations.
 by increased temperature, and by magnetic means.

add paint..:huh:
wow! lol interesting thoughts! ~Russ

neiallswheel

RE: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #6, on February 16th, 2012, 12:09 PM »
Quote from freethisone on January 30th, 2012, 01:20 PM
Looking into the significant of vaporized fuel and combustion Of this simple device.
Inventors such as Clyde white as a founder, and perhaps started this revolution in energy efficiency. the design of the devices related to the vaporization  for fuel combustion, without need for spark plugs or carburetors.

I will advance this with some science, and would like you to follow along...

patents  related, and  obtained during, or before  1921 are significant. Modern developments make this simple concept, a most viable resource.


 My friends Gram's also worked along this field. he had sold a similar invention for  a nice profit.

:angel:
:angel:


Electric vaporizers


Clyde claimed 90 MPG :angel:
Google search The Shell Oil 1973 Test Car>>> 376 miles per Gallon<<<< .Vapourised Petrol engine

http://www.opel-p1.nl/custom/testcar/Shell%20Opel.htm

theres a serious amount of info and related patents
Paul M Brown 1988    Vaporizing carburettor US 4858582
Olle B Lindstrom 1973Fuel Treatment for Combustion Engines  US 3918412

these are just two that caught my eye. Hope this is of some help.

55powerwagon

RE: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #7, on February 19th, 2012, 03:36 PM »
Hello
I found this, it seems to be recent information about the Fivs. If I find anything else I will let you know.


Needing a Guide

RE: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #8, on October 14th, 2012, 11:50 AM »
Would love to see a FIVS Gen V in action.  Does anyone know where I could get in touch with someone who actually has built one???   Help!

Muxar


freethisone

RE: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #10, on December 20th, 2012, 07:08 PM »
hi all, how would you like to test a invention that cost 10 dollars, and convert it into a injector?

ill give you the basic idea. there are products on the market that are called e-cigarets.

basically it is a compact version of the original post, called vaporizer.

it uses a glow plug, and water or other soluble solutions that allow you to smoke without ash or smoke.

if you have seen these e-cigarets it should ring a bell of truth of concept. why? because the dated patents all claim to do the exact same thing.

so there u have it,  what do you think? take a old nitrous burning remote control car, and convert it to a vapor driven nitrous car.

open source, my idea. you can develop it for your own.  

cheers..
RE: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #11, on March 19th, 2013, 02:00 PM »
I understand getting more with less is the trick, thats why this 100 year old patent needs to be duplicated.

i want to bump it because my friends granpop made this years ago and sold it for a good amount of cash.

the patents listed are after the fact, and perhaps only one is related. the one made in 1921.

(its very simple guys.) you are going crazy in circles, papp, and epg.. long time past.

you can have this done in a week or less if u have parts.

high pressure pipe, Teflon tape. threaders, drill. induction coil, temperature sensor, valves etc..

this will work. 100 mpg get it done...

Lynx

RE: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #12, on March 19th, 2013, 11:43 PM »
Interesting, thanks for sharing

Matt Watts

RE: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #13, on March 20th, 2013, 04:00 AM »Last edited on March 20th, 2013, 04:06 AM by Matt Watts
His Yahoo Group:  http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/fivsgenv/

We have a little problem though here in the States...    You don't actually own the vehicle parked in your driveway, so modifying it in any way puts you in direct contact with the Jack Boots.  Vehicles driven here are purposely built to consume large quantities of fuel and pollute the atmosphere--all by design.  You could say it's all about money and that would get you close to the truth.  The real issue is control and reduction of the useless eaters.

I suppose you could still build a fuel processor and modify a home generator unit though.  Maybe at least cut your power bill down some.  Don't try and eliminate your SmartMeter though.  If you do, you'll get surely get a visit.

Lynx

RE: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #14, on March 20th, 2013, 04:51 AM »
Like with so many things threatening the richness of the FBFB (Fossile Based Fuel Barons) and TPTB, small scale
is the way to go.

I'm thinking a step by step build, involving the remake of a lawn mower, just to get things started.

How about introducing an electric heater at the bottom of the fuel tank and then lead the vapors directly to the air
inlet at the carburator, mix it with the air itself and totally just plug the hose going from the tank to the carb?
To start with you'd need some form of electric heater, just to get a large enough flow of gas vapors going to keep
the motor up and running.
As the motor then heats up you could introduce some form of heat exchanger that which circulates for example
water in a closed loop, acting as a heat element to replace the electric heater initially used.
The cautions here would be regarding both not heating the gasoline as the tank runs low on fuel and also to see
to it to introduce enough many backflame arrestors here and there, preventing disasters from occurring as
gas is far more dangerous/explosive as compared to liquid fuel(s).

Mind you, if you were to get it running, don't tell anyone online, just spread the message as quietly as possible
to your friends and relatives and ask them to do the same.

I wonder if this very thread would be seen as a big enough threat to the oil industry in order for them to try to
shut this forum down?

freethisone

RE: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #15, on March 20th, 2013, 10:44 AM »Last edited on March 20th, 2013, 10:52 AM by freethisone
no one is going to shut down rwg.

the point i am making is there are plenty of patents on this electric vaporizer.

patents in 1980 also.  many many. it is rather easy to do also.

take a generator, and try it, thats 2 0r 3 hours longer run-times per gallon.

this is how the glow plug originated.

no need for carbs, or spark plugs.  only higher pressure, and a glow plug to vaporize the fuel.

thanks for the good feedback.  i will try to post some patents to make it easy.

the first patent listed good seems to follow along with the idea..

below i include 3 patents only.:cool:

phil

RE: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #16, on March 20th, 2013, 02:49 PM »
Quote from Lynx on March 20th, 2013, 04:51 AM
How about introducing an electric heater at the bottom of the fuel tank and then lead the vapors directly to the air
inlet at the carburator, mix it with the air itself and totally just plug the hose going from the tank to the carb?
To start with you'd need some form of electric heater, just to get a large enough flow of gas vapors going to keep
the motor up and running.
As the motor then heats up you could introduce some form of heat exchanger that which circulates for example
water in a closed loop, acting as a heat element to replace the electric heater initially used.
The cautions here would be regarding both not heating the gasoline as the tank runs low on fuel and also to see
to it to introduce enough many backflame arrestors here and there, preventing disasters from occurring as
gas is far more dangerous/explosive as compared to liquid fuel(s).
Sounds a lot like Tom Ogles set-up

http://www.rexresearch.com/ogle/1ogle.htm

I think the fuel chemistry has changed over the years. Theres a lot of gunk left or put in that stops some of these vapourization devices working.

I've got a gadgetman groove on my jet-ski. Works great. And a few friends got it on their cars.

https://www.youtube.com/gadgetmanglobal


Matt Watts

RE: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #17, on March 20th, 2013, 05:11 PM »
Quote from phil on March 20th, 2013, 02:49 PM
I've got a gadgetman groove on my jet-ski. Works great. And a few friends got it on their cars.

https://www.youtube.com/gadgetmanglobal
Too bad there isn't a way to implement that concept on diesel injectors, I'd certainly pick some up and try them.

phil

RE: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #18, on March 21st, 2013, 02:52 PM »
Quote from Dog-One on March 20th, 2013, 05:11 PM
Too bad there isn't a way to implement that concept on diesel injectors, I'd certainly pick some up and try them.
Mr brother in law was a diesel mechanic for many years. He had a guy who came in for a set of injectors every year. He used to run either cooking oil or black diesel (filtered used engine oil mixed with fresh diesel). He did a lot of miles and the cost of replacing injectors when they became clogged was cheaper than buying fuel from the pump.

Ive spoke to Ron about diesels and they inject at the wrong time, bottom of the stroke. The groove would help vaporization if they could be made to inject at the top of the stroke, without screwing things up.

As far as fuel savings go of the engines ive modified myself, ive seen 80% drop in emissions, even if the car is already running clean. One of my pals reckons he's saved between £500 and £1000 this year on fuel.

 

suikka

RE: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #19, on October 18th, 2013, 02:04 PM »Last edited on October 18th, 2013, 02:05 PM by suikka
Im really interested about this intake mod of Rons. Phil could you post some pictures about intakes you have modded ? I have dremel like tool and Im wondering could I use it to do this mod to my suzuki.

freethisone

RE: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #20, on November 5th, 2013, 06:48 PM »Last edited on November 5th, 2013, 07:30 PM by freethisone
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on February 4th, 2012, 01:16 AM
Quote from freethisone on February 3rd, 2012, 04:31 PM
smoke from carbon atoms break bonds under heat , and pressure.
introduce superheated steam. H O2

Additions for nitrogen as a quenching agent. Light From Russ EPG processor. plus Pulsed light? addictions of uv lighting etc.

 from corona, or magnetic means. Electra  magnet. Secondary effects. untested. Yet will act as, and will  carboniz-es,  fuses carbons in exotic bonds to create energy. Ion cations.
 by increased temperature, and by magnetic means.

add paint..:huh:
wow! lol interesting thoughts! ~Russ
at 47 minutes, yea..this too is a vapor Mr T had made. everyone should thank him. . stage 1 who would like to advance? stage 2, treat the smoke wile still in its ducting. add a  03 bublber. add laser light, uv, infra red radio, corona. you choose how far you want to stretch the carbon atoms. you are in control of your domain. domains is also a joke. dipoles.

/watch?v=arbXj9R6ZXw&list=TL5jQ8Fwf53VgnxDz7o6ihG4dK_LJCPVb0


Hey Russ, that is exactly what he is doing. smoke from wood, breaking bonds, turning it into fuel. minus the superheated steam... heheh..:P:P


so is it really fossil fuel from dyno"s ? Or is it from wood. yup all that oil underground comes from trees mostly:P:P.
as certain conclusions, its a vapor, can be  treated.  with uv light, or corona adding 03 bonds, you can make the fuel last longer.  long as you want 100 mpg.is easy..

it is also a magnetic gas.  carbon dipoles yea..
He can also put some nice cast iron chunks inside there to help maintain the heat.

This is what we need,:angel:

its is all in one light  processor, or epg,  it uses condensation as a pump. gravity also. it is a generator, a fuel maker, a vaporizor all on its own , its a battery charger, a heater and a cooler combine...

can i get an A-Men people? A team..:D:cool::shy:

Matt Watts

RE: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #21, on November 6th, 2013, 04:20 PM »
Free, do some searching on abiotic oil.  Maybe start with this one:
http://rense.com/general58/biot.htm

The earth is quite capable of making oil, with or without dinosaurs or vegetation.  Peek oil and fossil fuel is pure bunk intended at emptying your wallet.

freethisone

RE: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #22, on November 7th, 2013, 06:17 PM »
Quote from freethisone on November 5th, 2013, 06:48 PM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on February 4th, 2012, 01:16 AM
Quote from freethisone on February 3rd, 2012, 04:31 PM
smoke from carbon atoms break bonds under heat , and pressure.
introduce superheated steam. H O2

Additions for nitrogen as a quenching agent. Light From Russ EPG processor. plus Pulsed light? addictions of uv lighting etc.

 from corona, or magnetic means. Electra  magnet. Secondary effects. untested. Yet will act as, and will  carboniz-es,  fuses carbons in exotic bonds to create energy. Ion cations.
 by increased temperature, and by magnetic means.

add paint..:huh:
wow! lol interesting thoughts! ~Russ
at 47 minutes, yea..this too is a vapor Mr T had made. everyone should thank him. . stage 1 who would like to advance? stage 2, treat the smoke wile still in its ducting. add a  03 bublber. add laser light, uv, infra red radio, corona. you choose how far you want to stretch the carbon atoms. you are in control of your domain. domains is also a joke. dipoles.

/watch?v=arbXj9R6ZXw&list=TL5jQ8Fwf53VgnxDz7o6ihG4dK_LJCPVb0


Hey Russ, that is exactly what he is doing. smoke from wood, breaking bonds, turning it into fuel. minus the superheated steam... heheh..:P:P


so is it really fossil fuel from dyno"s ? Or is it from wood. yup all that oil underground comes from trees mostly:P:P.
as certain conclusions, its a vapor, can be  treated.  with uv light, or corona adding 03 bonds, you can make the fuel last longer.  long as you want 100 mpg.is easy..

it is also a magnetic gas.  carbon dipoles yea..
He can also put some nice cast iron chunks inside there to help maintain the heat.

This is what we need,:angel:

its is all in one light  processor, or epg,  it uses condensation as a pump. gravity also. it is a generator, a fuel maker, a vaporizer all on its own , its a battery charger, a heater and a cooler combine...

can i get an A-Men people? A team..:D:cool::shy:
no thank it almost made me sick.
good find, but still not necessary. try a search for synthetic fuel instead, cheers..:sleepy:
RE: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #23, on November 11th, 2013, 02:22 AM »Last edited on November 11th, 2013, 02:34 AM by freethisone
I am Kind of worried here, that the forum has not yet commented on this amazing truth.

the simple fact of vaporizing liquids or gassious material into a more energetic state.
plasma, or vapour.


do you have any reason to pass up the opertunity to comment?

again i mark the dated idea back to the 1920. my friends grand dad inventor.:D
RE: Electric vaporizer 90 mpg
« Reply #24, on November 28th, 2013, 06:47 AM »Last edited on November 28th, 2013, 10:21 AM by freethisone
i will advance this premis.

first i point out this is similar chemical preocess to achive same results as epg. or water injector. or even the use of free floating o3 ions from air charge.
to cause saturation of magnetic fluids. static, or coronal discharge.


i will make my new design for how a water fuel injector, or steam converter/ gas conversion should be made.

fingerpaint,  :blush::sleepy:
this is first ruff draft. advance in any number of ways. skilled in the art.. over time.