Abstract workshop challenge: Travel to the stars in no time at all

Lynx

Abstract workshop challenge: Travel to the stars in no time at all
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Re: Abstract workshop challenge: Travel to the stars in no time at all
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I'll go first.
I don't believe burning matter to gain speed travelling through empty space is the key to reach the stars.
I believe things like crunching empty space, take a short leap forward and then uncrunch it again could get a spaceship moving quite the distance in virtually no time at all.
Re: Abstract workshop challenge: Travel to the stars in no time at all
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As for specifics, the sharpest minds there are today experiments on drives which involves gaining forward/lifting momentum by either burning gas/matter or by producing plasma/gas in order to produce heat which propels a spaceship by the adage 'the hotter the faster', which in itself is interesting of course, but it's kinda limiting our ability to explore this galaxy of ours, even if we could build ships capable of travelling through space near the speed of light.

Meanwhile I do believe throwing out ideas on alternative, or "future", ways of travelling to the stars, covering vast distances in a relatively short time, is absolutely vital for mankind to survive things such as overpopulation, nukes, rogue technology, depleting this small planets natural resources, etc.

Colonizing new planets is the only way for us to survive as species in the long run. After all, it doesn't matter which species rules which planet, the same problems would still face them/us in the end.
Re: Abstract workshop challenge: Travel to the stars in no time at all
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Alright, howsabout slowing down the pace of time then instead?
First you enter your spaceship, then you start the "slow down the pace of time" generator, which slows down the pace of time aboard ship to, say 1/billionth of that of Earth's pace of time then, which by definition is 1 second per standard Earth second, so that compared to a clock aboard the spaceship a clock on Earth would appear to be standing still. Then you start your engine and get going to whatever star you'd like to explore.

Should work just fine, right?
Re: Abstract workshop challenge: Travel to the stars in no time at all
« Reply #4,  »
No no no.
Wrong.
The other way around.
Slow down the pace of time aboard ship and an Earth clock would seemingly be spinning like crazy.
Then take off and aim for the stars.

nav

Re: Abstract workshop challenge: Travel to the stars in no time at all
« Reply #5,  »
Imagine that the physical Universe is an interaction between your own neurological system and the electrical charge in Atoms. The space we see through our own neurological system is a manifestation of that very system and there is no vantage point from which to gain a true perspective which doesn't involve your nervous system.
Once you realize this then vast distances are nothing more than electrical impulses in your brain and the Atoms in the Universe. There is no such thing as distance, only perceived distances inside your mind. Anton describes it beautifully:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx1fqp7ir70

Lynx

Re: Abstract workshop challenge: Travel to the stars in no time at all
« Reply #6,  »
Quantum measurements pertaining to what instrument you're using.
It it only were that easy to move matter, or yourself, through space, by just imagining it.
Who knows, maybe it's a matter of learning how to.
Re: Abstract workshop challenge: Travel to the stars in no time at all
« Reply #7,  »
At the speed of light, time is at standstill.

As the speed of light is reflecting happenings, if you look at the very tip of a lightbeam, then the very outermost photons physical properties remains the same throughout the years as they travel through empty space, up to and incuding the moment the photons smash into something, or some such thing anyway.

So anything slower than the speed of light would mean "moving in time" with regards to whatever energy or matter there may be travelling around out there, meaning that the speed of light would still mean time being at standstill for this matter or energy then, regardless of whether or not the speed of light had been measured to be some 186000 mi/s in vacuum or not. I mean, it could have been measured at 50000 mi/s in vacuum and still be called the speed of light, as long as the physical properties for the light doesn't change over time while travelling through space.

nav

Re: Abstract workshop challenge: Travel to the stars in no time at all
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Photons are like Electrons, they exist merely as a wave of superposition which means they are know where in particular until you look then they manifest. This means that the Universe in material form does not exist without a neurological system collapsing the wave function into a particle function. In other words the material Universe doesn't exist until life exists which is kind of confusing until you realize that it was us that invented the concept of time, for the Universe time is not a linear function but rather a spatial function.
Take for example Quantum entanglement: It has been proven by just about every University in the world that entangled Photon's reaction time is instantaneous and not at C. For those who don't know about entanglement: Imagine two Photons that have the same spin state, what ever you do to one Photon then the other reacts exactly the same. Even when you part the two Photons and put vast distances between them, they still behave the same so that what ever you do to one particle instantly happens to the other, even if they are divided by the entire Universe. The reaction time has been measured as instantaneous. This makes a mockery of Einstein's theory that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light.
Now Lynx, my dear fellow, something is amiss concerning our understanding of the Universe, there is a total unnatural relationship between the world of the very small (quantum) and the world of the very large (macro) and we are not quite grasping it. The reason we are not quite grasping it is exactly as Anton Wilson says in the video, ALL PERCEPTION IS GAMBLE. We invent lines on the map, we invent linear time and big bang theories and we believe it all based on what our neurological system is telling us.
The reality of Quantum entanglement is that those two Photons never actually parted company and are in fact the same Photon which has just been proven to be true in Sweden at a University. There is no distance, there is no space, there is no acceleration, there is only electrical signals inside your brain telling you this 5hit, the atoms electrical field is interacting with the electrical field in your brain and building a physical Universe that does not exist without life.
Re: Abstract workshop challenge: Travel to the stars in no time at all
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Now, while we are delving into the Quantum I want to explain something to people on this forum and you Lynx that is not often talked about and that is Quantum teleportation and telepathic research.
To really understand this field we must get a few things very clear in people's minds:-
1. Sub atomic particles such as Lepton's, Muon's, Electron's and Photons which make up a human body are not only entangled to one another in one time reference frame, they are entangled through a phenomenon called Quantum tunneling. This means that Electrons for example do not understand our own perception of time and are in no way subject to it. An Electron flying around the brain of Cleopatra for example can appear anywhere in time such as 2009 then jump back to the time of Cleopatra instantaneously. The Electron doesn't see 'time' it only see's spin state and charge state. Different spin and charge states determine where the Electron sits in our perception of time. This isn't hocus pocus BTW, it is being proven over and over again in Universities around the world every day but kept out of the press.
2. They now believe that telepathy is real in some establishments around the world. The reason they believe it to be true is because they have proven in nature without any shadow of doubt that our neuron networks are made up of massive banks of sub atomic particles which are Quantum entangled to other banks and that thought processes can be transferred from one person to another not only in the present but in the past. Basically this means that something that you think about right now can effect what Napoleon was thinking 200 years ago because remember - these particles have no linear time function.
3. Recent experimentation is beginning to prove that the network of Quantum particles is so simple that there actually only needs to be ONE particle to run the entire Universe. Yes you read that correctly, ONE particle. An Electron can be in trillions of places at the same time in one time reference frame which means there could be just one Electron. The same Electron can also be simultaneously in trillions of different places through time because that Electron is just potential and nothing else, just a pure ability to be somewhere.

So you see, all we are dealing with is an electric charge's ability to be somewhere divided by the possible places it can be.


Cycle

Re: Abstract workshop challenge: Travel to the stars in no time at all
« Reply #10,  »Last edited by Cycle
Quote from nav on July 18th, 09:28 AM
Photons are like Electrons, they exist merely as a wave of superposition which means they are know where in particular until you look then they manifest.
Photons are nothing like electrons except that both are fundamental particles. They are not a "wave of superposition", they are a quantized excitation of a quantum field, which are described by a superposition of eigenstates as to their trajectory {Psi(x,y,z,t)}.

You'll note this superposition of eigenstates (the photon's wavefunction) is merely descriptive. It is not the photon itself, it merely describes every interaction the photon could possibly undergo as it travels through coordinates x, y and z over time t.

Upon our observing it, we select the eigenstate which accurately describes the photon's trajectory (ie: we "collapse" the wavefunction) by throwing out all the inaccurate descriptions of the photon's trajectory.

Thus your "wave of superposition" is handwavium word-soup. You should try cracking a quantum mechanics book, Nav.

We've been through this before, Nav. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of quantum mechanics which leads you into this sort of mysticism. Photons exist whether or not there is anyone there to observe them. Before humans, just how did your universe look, and how exactly did it evolve into what we have today, if photons could not have existed prior to life? Are you going to yet again claim the universe evolved, then went back to the beginning of time specifically to create life so it could evolve differently? Because remember, I've already disproved your "intelligent universe" comedy of errors.
Quote from nav on July 18th, 09:28 AM
This means that the Universe in material form does not exist without a neurological system collapsing the wave function into a particle function.
Again, we've been through all this before. There is no such thing as "collapsing the wave function into a particle function". One would have thought that given the last time you were set straight on this topic, you would have educated yourself on at least the very basics of wavefunction collapse.

Wavefunction collapse isn't a collapse of anything into anything else, physically speaking. It's merely that there are several event bifurcations which a system may evolve into (what we call eigenstates), and without our being able to observe the system, we must assume that the system can be in any one of those eigenstates. Upon our observing the system, the non-true eigenstates fall away and the true eigenstate remains.

So for a dice prior to rolling it, it can have the eigenstates of:
{1 -or- 2 - or- 3 -or- 4 -or- 5 -or- 6}

This is the wavefunction of this dice prior to rolling it.

Since we can't know what number the dice will land on, we must assume the dice is in a superposition of all of those eigenstates. It's a sciency way of saying, "Dunno, could be any of those.".

But once we roll the dice, we observe that it lands on, say, 4. Thus the wavefunction 'collapses' to:

{4}

That's it. That's all. It's the same for every system. There is no "collapsing the wavefunction to the particle function", mainly because your fundamental misunderstanding of quantum mechanics has led you to believe that a wavefunction is the physical object, when it really represents a description of a given number of possibilities of the system's state prior to our observing the actual system state, whereupon the wavefunction "collapses" to the observed state (ie: all the untrue states are discarded).

Also, there is no such thing as a "particle function" in the context you're attempting to use.
Quote from nav on July 18th, 09:28 AM
In other words the material Universe doesn't exist until life exists which is kind of confusing until you realize that it was us that invented the concept of time, for the Universe time is not a linear function but rather a spatial function.
Humans didn't "invent" time, we merely invented the means by which to quantify it. Again, we've been through all this before.
Quote from nav on July 18th, 09:28 AM
Take for example Quantum entanglement: It has been proven by just about every University in the world that entangled Photon's reaction time is instantaneous and not at C. For those who don't know about entanglement: Imagine two Photons that have the same spin state, what ever you do to one Photon then the other reacts exactly the same.

Even when you part the two Photons and put vast distances between them, they still behave the same so that what ever you do to one particle instantly happens to the other, even if they are divided by the entire Universe. The reaction time has been measured as instantaneous. This makes a mockery of Einstein's theory that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light.
Why do you persist in your fallacious belief when you've already been schooled on this topic? Entanglement is like if you took a pair of gloves and put the left glove in Suitcase A, and the right glove in Suitcase B.

Then you send the suitcases in opposite directions to the edge of our cosmological particle horizon. They are thus ~90.68 billion light years distant from each other.

Now, if a person opens Suitcase A, they immediately know that Suitcase B contains a right glove, and vice versa if they open Suitcase B.

Did anything "travel faster than c"? No.

Was causality broken? No.

Now, Nav... if a person were to open suitcase A and start cutting the fingers off of the left glove, your belief system states that the fingers of the right glove will also be cut! But we know that won't happen, right, Nav?

In reality, Nav, trying to interact with either photon to change it will destroy the entanglement, and will not affect the other photon one bit.

You've learned the key words and tricky phrases, Nav... now all that remains is for you to actually understand what you're writing about. My guess is that you haven't done so because that's the hard part.

From your previous (third) schooling on this topic:
Quote from cycle
This is the third time you've been told what wavefunction and wavefunction collapse is... the superposition of eigenstates of your schooling on this topic are:

{"He gets it! He finally gets it!" -or- "He's still clueless and blathering about a sentient universe."}

We won't know which is the case until we observe your response, whereupon the eigenstate which is not true will "collapse" and be eliminated... congratulations, you've become your own example of how wrong you are. But since you claim that I can alter the system by mere thought and observation (and you're my system now muahahaha), I'm willing you to "finally get it". If you fail to, you destroy your own argument.
:cool:

Lynx

Re: Abstract workshop challenge: Travel to the stars in no time at all
« Reply #11,  »
Quote from nav on July 18th, 09:28 AM
Photons are like Electrons, they exist merely as a wave of superposition which means they are know where in particular until you look then they manifest. This means that the Universe in material form does not exist without a neurological system collapsing the wave function into a particle function. In other words the material Universe doesn't exist until life exists which is kind of confusing until you realize that it was us that invented the concept of time, for the Universe time is not a linear function but rather a spatial function.
Take for example Quantum entanglement: It has been proven by just about every University in the world that entangled Photon's reaction time is instantaneous and not at C. For those who don't know about entanglement: Imagine two Photons that have the same spin state, what ever you do to one Photon then the other reacts exactly the same. Even when you part the two Photons and put vast distances between them, they still behave the same so that what ever you do to one particle instantly happens to the other, even if they are divided by the entire Universe. The reaction time has been measured as instantaneous. This makes a mockery of Einstein's theory that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light.
Now Lynx, my dear fellow, something is amiss concerning our understanding of the Universe, there is a total unnatural relationship between the world of the very small (quantum) and the world of the very large (macro) and we are not quite grasping it. The reason we are not quite grasping it is exactly as Anton Wilson says in the video, ALL PERCEPTION IS GAMBLE. We invent lines on the map, we invent linear time and big bang theories and we believe it all based on what our neurological system is telling us.
The reality of Quantum entanglement is that those two Photons never actually parted company and are in fact the same Photon which has just been proven to be true in Sweden at a University. There is no distance, there is no space, there is no acceleration, there is only electrical signals inside your brain telling you this 5hit, the atoms electrical field is interacting with the electrical field in your brain and building a physical Universe that does not exist without life.
Schrödinger's cat springs to mind.
Quote from nav on July 18th, 10:00 AM
Now, while we are delving into the Quantum I want to explain something to people on this forum and you Lynx that is not often talked about and that is Quantum teleportation and telepathic research.
To really understand this field we must get a few things very clear in people's minds:-
1. Sub atomic particles such as Lepton's, Muon's, Electron's and Photons which make up a human body are not only entangled to one another in one time reference frame, they are entangled through a phenomenon called Quantum tunneling. This means that Electrons for example do not understand our own perception of time and are in no way subject to it. An Electron flying around the brain of Cleopatra for example can appear anywhere in time such as 2009 then jump back to the time of Cleopatra instantaneously. The Electron doesn't see 'time' it only see's spin state and charge state. Different spin and charge states determine where the Electron sits in our perception of time. This isn't hocus pocus BTW, it is being proven over and over again in Universities around the world every day but kept out of the press.
2. They now believe that telepathy is real in some establishments around the world. The reason they believe it to be true is because they have proven in nature without any shadow of doubt that our neuron networks are made up of massive banks of sub atomic particles which are Quantum entangled to other banks and that thought processes can be transferred from one person to another not only in the present but in the past. Basically this means that something that you think about right now can effect what Napoleon was thinking 200 years ago because remember - these particles have no linear time function.
3. Recent experimentation is beginning to prove that the network of Quantum particles is so simple that there actually only needs to be ONE particle to run the entire Universe. Yes you read that correctly, ONE particle. An Electron can be in trillions of places at the same time in one time reference frame which means there could be just one Electron. The same Electron can also be simultaneously in trillions of different places through time because that Electron is just potential and nothing else, just a pure ability to be somewhere.

So you see, all we are dealing with is an electric charge's ability to be somewhere divided by the possible places it can be.
Food for thought.

You're savvy Nav.

If there only were a simple build around for educational purposes that shows some of the properties these electrons, et al, has to show for.

nav

Re: Abstract workshop challenge: Travel to the stars in no time at all
« Reply #12,  »
Quote from Cycle on July 18th, 04:34 PM
Photons are nothing like electrons except that both are fundamental particles. They are not a "wave of superposition", they are a quantized excitation of a quantum field, which are described by a superposition of eigenstates as to their trajectory {Psi(x,y,z,t)}.

You'll note this superposition of eigenstates (the photon's wavefunction) is merely descriptive. It is not the photon itself, it merely describes every interaction the photon could possibly undergo as it travels through coordinates x, y and z over time t.

Upon our observing it, we select the eigenstate which accurately describes the photon's trajectory (ie: we "collapse" the wavefunction) by throwing out all the inaccurate descriptions of the photon's trajectory.

Thus your "wave of superposition" is handwavium word-soup. You should try cracking a quantum mechanics book, Nav.

We've been through this before, Nav. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of quantum mechanics which leads you into this sort of mysticism. Photons exist whether or not there is anyone there to observe them. Before humans, just how did your universe look, and how exactly did it evolve into what we have today, if photons could not have existed prior to life? Are you going to yet again claim the universe evolved, then went back to the beginning of time specifically to create life so it could evolve differently? Because remember, I've already disproved your "intelligent universe" comedy of errors.

Again, we've been through all this before. There is no such thing as "collapsing the wave function into a particle function". One would have thought that given the last time you were set straight on this topic, you would have educated yourself on at least the very basics of wavefunction collapse.

Wavefunction collapse isn't a collapse of anything into anything else, physically speaking. It's merely that there are several event bifurcations which a system may evolve into (what we call eigenstates), and without our being able to observe the system, we must assume that the system can be in any one of those eigenstates. Upon our observing the system, the non-true eigenstates fall away and the true eigenstate remains.

So for a dice prior to rolling it, it can have the eigenstates of:
{1 -or- 2 - or- 3 -or- 4 -or- 5 -or- 6}

This is the wavefunction of this dice prior to rolling it.

Since we can't know what number the dice will land on, we must assume the dice is in a superposition of all of those eigenstates. It's a sciency way of saying, "Dunno, could be any of those.".

But once we roll the dice, we observe that it lands on, say, 4. Thus the wavefunction 'collapses' to:

{4}

That's it. That's all. It's the same for every system. There is no "collapsing the wavefunction to the particle function", mainly because your fundamental misunderstanding of quantum mechanics has led you to believe that a wavefunction is the physical object, when it really represents a description of a given number of possibilities of the system's state prior to our observing the actual system state, whereupon the wavefunction "collapses" to the observed state (ie: all the untrue states are discarded).

Also, there is no such thing as a "particle function" in the context you're attempting to use.

Humans didn't "invent" time, we merely invented the means by which to quantify it. Again, we've been through all this before.

Why do you persist in your fallacious belief when you've already been schooled on this topic? Entanglement is like if you took a pair of gloves and put the left glove in Suitcase A, and the right glove in Suitcase B.

Then you send the suitcases in opposite directions to the edge of our cosmological particle horizon. They are thus ~90.68 billion light years distant from each other.

Now, if a person opens Suitcase A, they immediately know that Suitcase B contains a right glove, and vice versa if they open Suitcase B.

Did anything "travel faster than c"? No.

Was causality broken? No.

Now, Nav... if a person were to open suitcase A and start cutting the fingers off of the left glove, your belief system states that the fingers of the right glove will also be cut! But we know that won't happen, right, Nav?

In reality, Nav, trying to interact with either photon to change it will destroy the entanglement, and will not affect the other photon one bit.

You've learned the key words and tricky phrases, Nav... now all that remains is for you to actually understand what you're writing about. My guess is that you haven't done so because that's the hard part.

From your previous (third) schooling on this topic:
 :cool:
I knew you'd turn up and question everything.
Re: Abstract workshop challenge: Travel to the stars in no time at all
« Reply #13,  »
Quote
Why do you persist in your fallacious belief when you've already been schooled on this topic? Entanglement is like if you took a pair of gloves and put the left glove in Suitcase A, and the right glove in Suitcase B.

Then you send the suitcases in opposite directions to the edge of our cosmological particle horizon. They are thus ~90.68 billion light years distant from each other.

Now, if a person opens Suitcase A, they immediately know that Suitcase B contains a right glove, and vice versa if they open Suitcase B.

Did anything "travel faster than c"? No.

Was causality broken? No.

Now, Nav... if a person were to open suitcase A and start cutting the fingers off of the left glove, your belief system states that the fingers of the right glove will also be cut! But we know that won't happen, right, Nav?

In reality, Nav, trying to interact with either photon to change it will destroy the entanglement, and will not affect the other photon one bit.
No no no no no Cycle, it is you that doesn't understand the concept and you are not keeping up with the latest experiments in Europe.
They are now taking entangled Electron's and firing Lasers at them to alter spin state and charge state and finding that green laser light is being absorbed by one Electron and emitted by the other which has been separated from it's counterpart.
Now, you can play about with your silly analogies about gloves and spew out as many scientific explanations as you like but the fact remains that the green Laser light traveled across space time without leaving the absorbing Electron. The experiment was done live on TV!.
You are old school Cycle, you'll come up with every mind boggling solution out there, you'll take the mountain the Muhammad, you'll do anything rather than face the truth that sub atomic particles and life interact with one another. You cannot see, you cannot comprehend that your own nervous system is interacting with everything that is out there, in fact everything that is out there is presented to you by your nervous system and without that system the Universe cannot manifest. Even a child can understand this.
Even the most hardened Quantum mathematicians out there are baffled by Quantum events, Einstein called entanglement 'spooky action at a distance'
But you Cycle, you are different, you seem to have it all wrapped up and neatly packaged and worked out. Perhaps you could lend your expertise to the successors of professor Hawking who seem to be struggling putting a unification theory together. The Macro and the Quantum don't fit together and the reason they don't fit together is because Einstein's macro theories are plain and simply wrong. The macro IS the Quantum and our own neurological system is part of the Quantum, get to grips with it, absorb it and move on otherwise we'll be stuck in the 20th century for the next thousand years.
Re: Abstract workshop challenge: Travel to the stars in no time at all
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In reality, Nav, trying to interact with either photon to change it will destroy the entanglement, and will not affect the other photon one bit.
Wahahahaha, you're in absolute cuckoo land. They are already firing laser light into separated but entangled Electrons, one at one side of the lab and one at the other. You hit one Electron with the laser and the same laser can be observed in the other Electron meters away. No laser light passed through the room at all yet interaction took place. Explain this Cycle?
Let me guess, it was something to do with Micky Mouses gloves? Perhaps it was because of one of your massive mathematical and baffling sentences? No, here's a better one, in time reference frame zero, Micky Mouse ran across the lab and switched Electron's?
In reply to your suggestion that we didn't invent time but just Quantified it: We did invent time and i'll tell you why, just because it takes the Earth 365 days to orbit the Sun and Moon 28 days to orbit the Earth then 24 hours for the Earth to rotate we decided in our infinite wisdom that from here on in everything is Quantifiable. What we failed to grasp is that the sub atomic particles which make up the Universe are not Quantifiable in the same way. Einstein brushed this subject vaguely in special relativity but failed to further elaborate. The seconds hand that ticks around a clock is where sub atomic particles reside, they sit upon it, stationary, motionless and timeless. For he who resides on the hands of a clock is neither in motion nor does he know the time because he cannot see the rest of the clock. We tried to invent time into Quantum mechanics, doesn't work, never will and while ever we continue to try doing so we'll just confuse the F U C K out of ourselves. Case in point - you. 

Lynx

Re: Abstract workshop challenge: Travel to the stars in no time at all
« Reply #15,  »
Just venting this then: At absolute zero, I.E at 0 degrees Kelvin, matter stops moving.
That could then mean that time has stopped ticking for the whatever's at 0 degrees Kelvin.
Would it be possible to use those conditions to jump through hyperspace?
I wonder which physical properties such a, why not say stargate then, would have with regards to opening up a wormhole from here to say the center of this galaxy of ours.
Space crunching?
Time stopping?
Zero degrees Kelvining?
Beam me over there atomizing?
Would be nice though if a spaceship could have it's own wormhole generator, then you wouldn't have to worry about not being able to breath air once you arrive over there.

nav


Lynx

Re: Abstract workshop challenge: Travel to the stars in no time at all
« Reply #19,  »
Alright, some crunched quantum physics tuition of the latest kind, appreciate it :thumbsup:

So, a polarised filter spooky action kit for motivational purposes then.
Ok, that works.
It doesn't necessarily have to be battery operated to tickle the little grey cells, something as simple as polarized filters would do just fine.

Interesting concept with quantum entanglement, only you'd need the "twin" particle on the other end first before you could start spooky entangling.
But I can see that a beam-me-up generator full well could be using quantum entanglement as a concept to get the pad teleporting you from here to wherever.

nav

Re: Abstract workshop challenge: Travel to the stars in no time at all
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Quote from Lynx on July 19th, 09:36 AM
Just venting this then: At absolute zero, I.E at 0 degrees Kelvin, matter stops moving.
That could then mean that time has stopped ticking for the whatever's at 0 degrees Kelvin.
Would it be possible to use those conditions to jump through hyperspace?
I wonder which physical properties such a, why not say stargate then, would have with regards to opening up a wormhole from here to say the center of this galaxy of ours.
Space crunching?
Time stopping?
Zero degrees Kelvining?
Beam me over there atomizing?
Would be nice though if a spaceship could have it's own wormhole generator, then you wouldn't have to worry about not being able to breath air once you arrive over there.
Regardless of what Cycle is telling us, we know very very little concerning the Quantum world and the Macro for that matter. We only know that events in the Quantum don't seem to follow the same rules as the Macro generally speaking. The fields associated with gravity and  electromagnetism are fundamentally different from the fields associated with the Quantum. I.E you can pick an apple from the floor with relative ease and break the bond of gravity here on Earth but try and prize an Electron from the orbit of an Atom physically or remove a Neutron from an Atom then you come up against a pretty strong force to reckon with.
Now, taking this into consideration and knowing that the entire Universe is essentially made from particles that make up the Quantum, technically speaking the Quantum is the way to travel because you are playing with the building blocks of the Universe, those building blocks have order and are programmed so they are not always chaotic - hence the world we live in. If they are programmed (show a self contained mechanism of stability and function) then we could technically program our way around the Universe rather than travel it. Similar to a simulation on a computer where we use electricity to create a 2-D reality of our own choosing. Unfortunately, the Quantum has an habit of not giving up it's secrets easily and we are only at the infancy of making sub atomic particles behave in the way we would like but the future holds great promise providing of course that people like Cycle and the rest of the nut cases who are trying to stop mainstream science from progressing keep out of the way. Blame the military and high government for this, they have held the world back so much with science and technology that they are basically keeping us in the stone age. The reasons for them doing so are just pure greed (oil companies) and control (governments).
The internet though is opening up new opportunities and is educating people to what is really going on and providing we keep it (they are taking steps to vet the internet as we speak) we will progress because one idea leads to another and that is how progress is made.

Lynx

Re: Abstract workshop challenge: Travel to the stars in no time at all
« Reply #21,  »
Quote from nav on July 19th, 10:39 AM
Regardless of what Cycle is telling us, we know very very little concerning the Quantum world and the Macro for that matter. We only know that events in the Quantum don't seem to follow the same rules as the Macro generally speaking. The fields associated with gravity and  electromagnetism are fundamentally different from the fields associated with the Quantum. I.E you can pick an apple from the floor with relative ease and break the bond of gravity here on Earth but try and prize an Electron from the orbit of an Atom physically or remove a Neutron from an Atom then you come up against a pretty strong force to reckon with.
Now, taking this into consideration and knowing that the entire Universe is essentially made from particles that make up the Quantum, technically speaking the Quantum is the way to travel because you are playing with the building blocks of the Universe, those building blocks have order and are programmed so they are not always chaotic - hence the world we live in. If they are programmed (show a self contained mechanism of stability and function) then we could technically program our way around the Universe rather than travel it. Similar to a simulation on a computer where we use electricity to create a 2-D reality of our own choosing. Unfortunately, the Quantum has an habit of not giving up it's secrets easily and we are only at the infancy of making sub atomic particles behave in the way we would like but the future holds great promise providing of course that people like Cycle and the rest of the nut cases who are trying to stop mainstream science from progressing keep out of the way. Blame the military and high government for this, they have held the world back so much with science and technology that they are basically keeping us in the stone age. The reasons for them doing so are just pure greed (oil companies) and control (governments).
The internet though is opening up new opportunities and is educating people to what is really going on and providing we keep it (they are taking steps to vet the internet as we speak) we will progress because one idea leads to another and that is how progress is made.
Some of the reasons for creating this very thread are to reach just about everyone, to spark ideas, to hopefully get some ideas posted here aswell, to twist and turn theories around, just to get, however abstract, ideas on what would have to be taken into consideration in order to be able to, in theory for starters, build such a brand spanking new way of travelling to the stars and beyond in virtually no time at all, as opposed to burning matter in order to gain propulsion on, specifically, a spaceship then, travelling through "empty" space from here to our neighbouring stars, just to see if we can colonize their planets or not.

As such I welcome anyones input, even such ideas which seems to be quite irrational to start with, all according to the adage that one persons "reality" full well could be seen as lunacy for others, while the opposite also could be said to be true, cuts both ways sort of speaking.

It's just one way to think outside the box as I do believe that burning matter to propel spaceships, which in fact is what top scientists are experimenting with, is something that which belongs in the stone age, not in modern science labs.

We, as in humanity, need to let go of obsolete ways and make future technology a reality today.

Always look forward.
Who gives a F about who invented what, why is it important anyway?
Take the best of the best from what these guys had to offer and refine/evolve/exploit their theories and ideas and then let them rest in peace, amen.
It's all in the past, time to let go.
Move forward.

nav

Re: Abstract workshop challenge: Travel to the stars in no time at all
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OK, so you're looking for propulsion ideas? We are not advanced enough for Quantum jumping yet but the Chinese are currently experimenting in Quantum charge. By this I mean imagine a group of Electrons in a circuit inside a test lab that are being exited by a current in that circuit. The Electrons change their behaviour accordingly to the amount of current in the circuit do they not?
Now imagine you have a spaceship in low Earth orbit with an electric circuit similar to the one in the lab and the Electrons in the circuit are Quantum entangled to the ones in the lab. The spin state of the Electrons in the lab will be replicated by the spin state of the Electrons in the spaceship and a current will appear in the spaceship's circuit. Far fetched? Well, actually, the Chinese are developing a CPU for a computer that works on this very principle and ultimately will need no wire traces going in or out of the CPU because the voltage field and current will be a Quantum charge event. Imagine in 50 years we master this technique and can send 1000's of amps to a spaceship where ever it is in the Universe. All you would need is an energy exchange system such as HHO where you use the current to produce hydrogen and Oxygen to power the craft.
How about that Lynx?

Lynx

Re: Abstract workshop challenge: Travel to the stars in no time at all
« Reply #23,  »
Quote from nav on July 19th, 12:00 PM
OK, so you're looking for propulsion ideas? We are not advanced enough for Quantum jumping yet but the Chinese are currently experimenting in Quantum charge. By this I mean imagine a group of Electrons in a circuit inside a test lab that are being exited by a current in that circuit. The Electrons change their behaviour accordingly to the amount of current in the circuit do they not?
Now imagine you have a spaceship in low Earth orbit with an electric circuit similar to the one in the lab and the Electrons in the circuit are Quantum entangled to the ones in the lab. The spin state of the Electrons in the lab will be replicated by the spin state of the Electrons in the spaceship and a current will appear in the spaceship's circuit. Far fetched? Well, actually, the Chinese are developing a CPU for a computer that works on this very principle and ultimately will need no wire traces going in or out of the CPU because the voltage field and current will be a Quantum charge event. Imagine in 50 years we master this technique and can send 1000's of amps to a spaceship where ever it is in the Universe. All you would need is an energy exchange system such as HHO where you use the current to produce hydrogen and Oxygen to power the craft.
How about that Lynx?
Interesting, of course, as it should be.
Well, using HHO sounds like, to me anyway, pretty much what "they're" experimenting with nowadays, I.E finding things to burn fast/hot enough to gain all the more momentum pushing a spaceship forward, or to gain all the more powerful propulsion if you will.

Yes, I'm well aware that Quantum jumping isn't on the map yet for us human beings here on planet Earth, but what's keeping us from delving into the plausible inner workings of such a device anyways, if nothing else for sh!t & giggles?
Regardless of what way shape or form it may take in the end we can still theorize about it's very inner workings right here right now and who knows, maybe this very thread will serve as the very stepping stone for someone in the future to start out on a quest to find/design such a device anyways, so what's there to lose?

Nothing.

So let it rip.

nav

Re: Abstract workshop challenge: Travel to the stars in no time at all
« Reply #24,  »
Quote from Lynx on July 19th, 01:42 PM
Interesting, of course, as it should be.
Well, using HHO sounds like, to me anyway, pretty much what "they're" experimenting with nowadays, I.E finding things to burn fast/hot enough to gain all the more momentum pushing a spaceship forward, or to gain all the more powerful propulsion if you will.

Yes, I'm well aware that Quantum jumping isn't on the map yet for us human beings here on planet Earth, but what's keeping us from delving into the plausible inner workings of such a device anyways, if nothing else for sh!t & giggles?
Regardless of what way shape or form it may take in the end we can still theorize about it's very inner workings right here right now and who knows, maybe this very thread will serve as the very stepping stone for someone in the future to start out on a quest to find/design such a device anyways, so what's there to lose?

Nothing.

So let it rip.
If you watch the sirius disclosure video's on youtube you'll find out. The military already has the technology but as a national security issue will never release the technology.