Chiral polarization is the KEY to the LENR reaction

Axil

Re: Chiral polarization is the KEY to the LENR reaction
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An example of the transmutation produced by ultra dense hydrogen that is emitted from LENR fuel used by en356

This is a SEM micrograph of the fuel. The transmutation is occuring on carbon sample tape.

If you like this picture, I will show you more of them, so make some noise.

Re: Chiral polarization is the KEY to the LENR reaction
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Particle tracks on film show that a collection of particles move in formation. This behavior demonstrates that the particles are entangled, It could be that the particles are members of a Bose condensate as explained above.

Re: Chiral polarization is the KEY to the LENR reaction
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Regarding: "It just seems LENR is so complex compared to other technologies and the output of LENR is mostly limited to heat which would require further conversions to be fully utilized."

LENR puts out all kinds of energy, the least of which is heat. Since the LENR reaction is a weak force decay process, most of the energy that is produced by LENR comes from the decay of particles. For example, the Papp engine gets its energy from explosions of sub atomic particles that push a piston and generate electrons as a final product of the particle decay process. Because of this flavor of energy expression, the Papp engine is highly efficient  at producing electricity.

Other types of LENR systems generate most of its energy as visible and ultraviolet light.

But most LENR systems generate huge amounts of muons. Those particles can produce energy by catalyzing fusion and fission if the engineering is done appropriately.

For example, if all the matter that was removed from the holes in the picture in reply #20 were converted to heat via E=MC^2, there would be enough heat produced to boil away the great lakes. Most of that energy is wasted as undetected muons.

LENR is a very versatile reaction. It just takes experience to use it properly.


namirha

Re: Chiral polarization is the KEY to the LENR reaction
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Quote from Axil on April 17th, 09:19 AM
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The electric dipole that the pedal condensate is entangled with also increases in size.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_dipole_moment



The diameter of the dipole increases into the millimeters.

The energy storage potential of a pedal condensate can get as high as a few GeV.

In the LION reactor meltdown as well as many other LENR experiments, strange radiation is seen. These particle tracks are produced by the energy rich pedal condensate as it moves around and absorbs energy using self pumping along it path of travel.




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kenssurplus

Re: Chiral polarization is the KEY to the LENR reaction
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Thank you for posting this vital collection of information. LENR, also known by other names, is one of my great interests.  So I am  glad to see some movement and progress in the field, as well as interest displayed here on the forum and more importantly comprehension of the data. 

Now the trick will be to maintain clarity of the presented info. without the topic running off into the weeds and becoming diluted, distracted, degraded or defamed.


Axil

Re: Chiral polarization is the KEY to the LENR reaction
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The type of LENR that most people want to see is fuel based LENR. I beleive that the fuel needed to produce the LENR effect involves ultra dense matter. This type matter seems to be universally superconductive. The problem with this type LENR is that the fuel is very hard to produce.

For example, Rossi has stated that he puts .3 grams of his hydride fuel into the QX reactor.

It is analogous to a car builder who must produce his own fuel. He first needs to drill an oil well, pump the oil, extract the distillate, and fill his tank with gas before his car can move.

Holmlid has been at this Ultra dense hydogen production process for 40 years and more. Very few people have been able to duplicate what Holmlid can do. Many professional scientists think that Ultra dense hydogen is not possible to manufacture. But some have done it. But the membership of the club that can do this feat is few. Yet Holmlid has patented a Ultra dense hydogen production machine.

Once we have Ultra dense hydogen, we are most of the way to the creation of a working LENR reactor. We can't expect that a LENR reactor builder who has no idea what Ultra dense hydogen is and how it can be produced to accidentally come upon a way to produce it. It seems to me that LION has found of way to get micro diamonds to produce Ultra dense deuterium. But from the recent experiences of our LION replicator community, this fuel production process is hard to recreate. That is why I have suggested to our replicators to get a sample of ultra dense hydrogen from the people who know how to produce the fuel.

MFMP has received a bottle of fuel from the ECCO reactor. MFMP should have put some of that stuff into their tube reactor and see what it can do. In closing, if we don't have LENR fuel, we can't produce a detectable LENR reaction that people usually recognize as LENR.

talisman

Re: Chiral polarization is the KEY to the LENR reaction
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I have followed LENR developments but have not had the time the past 2 years thanks. Certainly there are more ideas.
My approach is to solve the simple and move to the complex. Remember functioning cold fusion was taught to high school students on a desktop. For these intense analysis and branching methods need time and money.

The effort of Papps, Rossi, Mills is an obfusicated secret sauce. This is so that there is not a commonly available material n the end production easily replicate for profit potential. Then also there could be removal from the efficiency and increase energy cost if that is the goal or a gradient of inefficiency if profit and IP protection is the goal. I won't digress for clarity.
The other option is legal protections. These factors impede the roll out of better low cost energy. If open source produces a technology where minimum $20,000 to produce it is a job for rich companies. A high school student can start on his desk.   
I have some ideas around LENR but enabling is a realistic requirement. Basic open research is good and most product development application closed. Open Research in software was great for universities, companies and government but
awful for shareware and great for dot kim.

 
                 

Axil

Re: Chiral polarization is the KEY to the LENR reaction
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The non-fuel LENR approach could be the simplest LENR method to build. The Alan experiment that I described above could form the basis of a simple LENR based energy source.

A magnetic bottle that keeps the muons that are always produced by LENR reaction inside the tube until they have time to decay could produce a gainful LENR reaction. The production of Excess energy is a matter of producing more muons with the high voltage input voltage source than the energy uses produced by the decay of muons. A goodly amounts of electrons will also be generated as a decay product of muons.

Hey wait...it should be possible to create loads of left handed particles including neutrinos from these decaying muons. A special electrode  might be built to produce left handed particles as a alternative to the buckets now used in the design of the Papp engine.

The electrode would provide a deuterium filled thin tube with local electrodes at both ends with a metal insert in the middle of the tube. The metal could be nickel foam. The magnetic bottle is composed of two coils near each end of the tube with a coil that circles the outer surface of the tube near the nickel foam.

Re: Chiral polarization is the KEY to the LENR reaction
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At the heart of the LENR reaction: the petal condensate

A wonderful article that explains why the petal condensate forms and remains stable.

Chiral spin separation catalyzes the LENR reaction. Spin based Bosons without charge will separate by handedness into two counter rotating rings.

Odd-petal-number states and persistent flows in spin-orbit-coupled Bose-Einstein condensates

Re: Chiral polarization is the KEY to the LENR reaction
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The magnetic dipole based petal soliton can transform into a monopole based petal soliton or half soliton.

Tracks of this monipole have been seen in the ash produced by the LION reactor meltdown.



https://phys.org/news/2017-01-physicists-spontaneous-symmetry-optical-microcavity.html

Physicists have observed spontaneous symmetry breaking in a petal soliton that generates its own optical microcavity. Experimentors have demonstrated experimentally the emergence of spontaneous symmetry breaking in this ultrahigh-Q whispering-gallery microresonator. The Optical whispering gallery (WGW) microcavity is the structural topological form that the Surface Plasmon Polariton assumes in LENR. . These whispering gallery modes are analogous to the acoustic resonances in the whispering gallery in St. Paul Cathedral in London.

A critical clue to the role of symmetry breaking in LENR is the observation that the application of an electrostatic field catalyzes spontaneous symmetry breaking in the WGW via the Kerr effect.



The result of the application of a KERR stimulus is a monopole where just a single rotating polariton current remains. This current is an amplified sum of the initial double counter rotating polariton currents. The chiral handedness of the two counter rotating polariton currents also merge into a single much more amplified polariton current.

In more detail, it looks like the index of refraction of the vacuum changes under the influence of EMF.

This idea is the basis for the activation signal in the LENR reaction. The nature of the vacuum that the polaritons reside in is changed by B and/or E fields to induce a change of state in the circulation patterns of the polariton in the cavity. This is the KERR effect. This reorganization of polariton flow is what focuses the spin components of the polaritons into a monopole magnetic flux tube beam.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1211.1933

Magnetic and electric properties of quantum vacuum

6. Non trivial vacua
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Examples of what is called non trivial vacua can be found in literature. This essentially

means that light propagates in a vacuum in which a distribution of real or virtual

photons exists. In this case one can calculate an average value for the E2 and B2 and

one can use this value to calculate the corresponding effects due in particular to four

wave mixing in vacuum. For example the velocity of light propagating perpendicular

to two parallel infinite conducting plates and in the region between them has been first

calculated by Scharnhorst [212]. The variation of the velocity of light is due to virtual

photons energy density which is also responsible of the well known Casimir effect
Applying the aforementioned discussion to LENR engineering, the application of an electrostatic field has been listed as a trigger of the LENR reaction in Rossi's patent. When this electrostatic field is applied, the WGW produces symmetry breaking which induces a energy transfer between a proton and a simultaneous decay in that proton via a symmetry breaking based entangled interface. This causes the counter rotating spin currents to merge into a single current, thereby forming a monopole.

The rabbit tracks seen in the MFMP videos are formed by this monopole based soliton.

These condensates behave like black holes

Regarding: "energy holes"

There is a structure that has been discovered by Ken Shoulders called a Black EVO. This structure is a cavity that contains photons that cannot escape to the far field. Another name used for this structure is a analog black hole. This structure is also found in nanoplasmonics and is called a dark soliton. These two structures can well be the same thing: a petal condensate.

What makes this structures special is the application of the KERR effect to change the nature of the vacuum in which these photons circulate. The KERR effect produces a change of state when the speed of light is changed in which the symmetry of the laws of nature are broken and in which time runs backward. The speed of light can slow below nominal or increase above nominal.

See

https://www.nature.com/articles/lsa2017119

Superluminal X-waves in a polariton quantum fluid
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Abstract

In this work, we experimentally demonstrate for the first time the spontaneous generation of two-dimensional exciton-polariton X-waves. X-waves belong to the family of localized packets that can sustain their shape without spreading, even in the linear regime. This allows the wavepacket to maintain its shape and size for very low densities and very long times compared to soliton waves, which always necessitate a nonlinearity to compensate the diffusion. Here, we exploit the polariton nonlinearity and uniquely structured dispersion, comprising both positive- and negative-mass curvatures, to trigger an asymmetric four-wave mixing in momentum space. This ultimately enables the self-formation of a spatial X-wave front. Using ultrafast imaging experiments, we observe the early reshaping of the initial Gaussian packet into the X-pulse and its propagation, even for vanishingly small densities. This allows us to outline the crucial effects and parameters that drive the phenomena and to tune the degree of superluminal propagation, which we found to be in close agreement with numerical simulations.
There are claims that LENR extracts energy from the vacuum. The question naturally arises about how can such an improbable thing possibly happen.

A experiment done using a optical cavity shows how the vacuum can tap into the vacuum fluctuations that occur in empty space to produce real effects.

http://www.pnas.org/content/110/11/4234.full.pdf

Dynamical Casimir effect in a Josephson metamaterial

This experiment shows how an optical cavity can be tuned electrically using the KERR effect in such a way to convert virtual photons into real photons through the adjustment of the index of refraction of the vacuum in the cavity to produce a resonance based casimir effect.

The KERR effect is a mechanism to adjust the speed of light in the vacuum so that the cavity can be modified into a resonance condition in such a way as to use the casimir effect to extract real photons from the vacuum.

This KERR effect adjustment mechanism might be operable in LENR as well as the EMDRIVE.
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The zero-point energy stored in the modes of an electromagnetic

cavity has experimentally detectable effects, giving rise to an

attractive interaction between the opposite walls, the static Casimir

effect. A dynamical version of this effect was predicted to occur

when the vacuum energy is changed either by moving the walls

of the cavity or by changing the index of refraction, resulting in

the conversion of vacuum fluctuations into real photons. Here, we

demonstrate the dynamical Casimir effect using a Josephson metamaterial

embedded in a microwave cavity at 5.4 GHz. We modulate

the effective length of the cavity by flux-biasing the metamaterial

based on superconducting quantum interference devices (SQUIDs),

which results in variation of a few percentage points in the speed

of light. We extract the full 4 × 4 covariancematrix of the emitted

microwave radiation, demonstrating that photons at frequencies

symmetrical with respect to half of the modulation frequency are

generated in pairs. At large detunings of the cavity from half of the

modulation frequency, we find power spectra that clearly show

the theoretically predicted hallmark of the Casimir effect: a bimodal,

“sparrow-tail” structure. The observed substantial photon

flux cannot be assigned to parametric amplification of thermal

fluctuations; its creation is a direct consequence of the noncommutativity

structure of quantum field theory.
If the Petal condensate acts like a analog black hole and the heat that LENR produces is derived from Hawking radiation, then the Hawking derived photons that exit the petal to the far field will also generate associated anti photons that will also fall into the the petal. Since the photons and its anti photon partner are the same type particle, an identical copy of the photons that radiate out from the petal will also fall into the petal condensate.



This implies that the heat that leaves the petal as Hawking radiation will also be duplicated and stored in the petal. In simple terms, the petal will progressively grow in size and power over time proportional to the heat that it releases. Fortunately, the petal has a limited lifetime that averages in picoseconds. So the petal cannot grow without limit.

The source and flow of energy through the petals and their global condensates is yet to be determined. But the transmutation that the petal produces might not be a source of energy gain for the petal. The petal might just move along, sucking energy out of the vacuum, and transforming matter as it moves along, just like a storm driven tornado distroys the countryside as it moves along its way.

kenssurplus

Re: Chiral polarization is the KEY to the LENR reaction
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Quote from Axil on April 17th, 07:31 AM
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Try your hand at producing this Holmlid device. Once you have this capability to generate LENR fuel, then you will be well on your way.

In addition, Holmlid will help you out. He is interested in having researchers duplicate his results.

Another group of researchers that are working on this material is 

https://ternresearch.com/

TERN RESEARCH

These developers look like they are eager to cooperate to expand research into ultra dense material.
The link to Tern Research doesn't work for me.  Something about a revoked certificate.  Could it be they have been shut down, or just that they have taken their ball and left the court?
Quote from Axil on April 19th, 10:09 AM
Once we have Ultra dense hydogen, we are most of the way to the creation of a working LENR reactor. We can't expect that a LENR reactor builder who has no idea what Ultra dense hydogen is and how it can be produced to accidentally come upon a way to produce it. It seems to me that LION has found of way to get micro diamonds to produce Ultra dense deuterium. But from the recent experiences of our LION replicator community, this fuel production process is hard to recreate. That is why I have suggested to our replicators to get a sample of ultra dense hydrogen from the people who know how to produce the fuel.

MFMP has received a bottle of fuel from the ECCO reactor. MFMP should have put some of that stuff into their tube reactor and see what it can do. In closing, if we don't have LENR fuel, we can't produce a detectable LENR reaction that people usually recognize as LENR.
Who make up the LION replicator community that you referred to in this post, and where do I find them?  Are they the Tern Research group or some other group? Could you share with us the different groups and forums that you know of who are openly sharing their work in this area?

In one of my threads on my bench here at this forum, I discuss a device that may make and then separate ultra dense fuel components, but I lack the necessary knowledge and funding to move it forward.
The Oleg Griskevitch circulating water megawatt generator
Here is  is an fuel making and separating device I built:
Water Vortex Tube

  It would be nice to bounce the ideas and processes around with others who are also interested in this area.

Axil

Re: Chiral polarization is the KEY to the LENR reaction
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I clicked on the TERN link and it worked fine for me. I would not supply a link if it did not work. Both Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project(MFMP) and LookingForHeat are running replications of the LION reactor.

http://www.lookingforheat.com/
http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/

Check out

http://cavitationenergysystems.com/index.cfm

LeClair said that the bubble had to be 6 bubble diameters away from a surface to produce the best effect.

MFMP got involved with a cavitation system they call ECCO, an system built by a east Indian guy. He used ultrasound

See

http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/543-ecco

I think that your idea is a sound one. But the cavitation tech is comlicated. ECCO produces fuel using sound and I know that the fuel was active

See MFMP blog for lots of systems details on many types of systems.

https://steemit.com/@mfmp

talisman

Re: Chiral polarization is the KEY to the LENR reaction
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This is why static electrical field is a pure form energy. Considering our thought experiment over Einstein. A proton is the opposed electron form of a particle space. I'm guessing it's in the neutron inertial field if true. Translation to arc plasma amperage. The arc in all forms is in many varieties of energy systems only by degree of separation.   

Axil

Re: Chiral polarization is the KEY to the LENR reaction
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The acceptance of LENR by science was fatally affected by the fusion meme. This fantasy must be destroyed before LENR is accepted by science as a real possibility.

The old guard who came up with the fusion meme concentrated on a very narrow range of experimental data. That data gave the fusion meme some support. A true theory of LENR must support all LENR experiments not just a narrow few. This narrow understating of LENR is a system engineering error.

This narrow perceptive on LENR theory is currently underpinned by this Rossi based theory effort. Rossi knows everything about his system but knows little of the other types of LENR experiments or does he much care about them.

A system like The Hutchison Effect will have given Rossi agata.

To change the spin on LENR theory, we must first put in place a valid replacement theory that is totally supported by experimental evidence.

MFMP embraces a wide perspective on all types of LENR phenomena. As soon as Bob Greenyer regains his health, and he provides us with his analysis of the many and varied experiments that MFMP has seen over these many years, we will have put in place a solid experimentally based platform to construct a valid LENR theory upon.
Re: Chiral polarization is the KEY to the LENR reaction
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The 1 eV ​heat spectrum that Rossi claims is occurring inside the plasma in the QX reactor has nothing to do with the Boltzmann constant or black body radiation. ​It is a quantum mechanical based aspect centered on the true cause of LENR: The Hawking effect.

As Rossi changes the input power on his reactor, this temperature does not change. This means that the temperature inside the QX is not a black body based temperature but instead produced by quantum effects.

talisman

Re: Chiral polarization is the KEY to the LENR reaction
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Hmm.. thoughts of submicroscopic artificial black hole type formations in Rossi's LENR.

Considering we are a 3 dimensional math universe in the perceptual scopes and in measured perception also non responding to higher dimensions in universal cosmos modeling what then is on the other side of a black hole?

A 3d space math defined must have another side. If it look like a black hole from the 90 degree sides if boxed in to a cube space it may be the illusion of a black sphere.   

Axil

Re: Chiral polarization is the KEY to the LENR reaction
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Don't let the word scare you. The type of black hole that we are talking about is an electromagnetic black hole, not a gravitational black hole. There are all kinds of black holes. They all use the same math equations and therefore have the same behavior. There are sound based black holes and there are water based black holes among other types. These are called analog black holes.

See

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_black_hole

Image of water black hole



In an electromagnetic black hole, photons go in but they don't come out...except for Hawking radiation.

For a lot more info see


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyMYcqxuZ_I

talisman

Re: Chiral polarization is the KEY to the LENR reaction
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I place conceptually the sub atomic electrical black hole broadly in the category of vacuum space.

"Now, the size of the observable universe is about 14 billion light years, and using the above value of density gives you a mass (dark and luminous matter) of about 3 x 1055 g, which is roughly 25 billion galaxies the size of the Milky Way.Jun 27, 2015"

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/for-teachers/101-the-universe/cosmology-and-the-big-bang/general-questions/579-what-is-the-mass-of-the-universe-intermediate

The Keyword is observable space a subset of infinity.

We know the speed of light.

We are unsure of the total mass of the universe.

Therefore we do not know the maximum universal gravity potential.

Gravity potential is relativistic relational to mass.

 

haxar

Re: Chiral polarization is the KEY to the LENR reaction
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Quote from talisman on April 22nd, 11:44 PM
Now, the size of the observable universe is about 14 billion light years
The size of the universe, I don't think is sizable with Earth time.

talisman

Re: Chiral polarization is the KEY to the LENR reaction
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My first impression of the scissors effect faster than the speed of light obtained.
The possibility must be proved out that light is not simply the speed of light.
The scissors effect as presented shows a force applied to boost the speed.
This force said to be the gravitational force gradient.
Relative to a fixed point gravity in effect warps time with acceleration.
Relative to a fixed point there can be the appearance of a time differential.   

Cycle

Re: Chiral polarization is the KEY to the LENR reaction
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Quote from talisman on April 22nd, 11:44 PM
"Now, the size of the observable universe is about 14 billion light years, and using the above value of density gives you a mass (dark and luminous matter) of about 3 x 1055 g, which is roughly 25 billion galaxies the size of the Milky Way.Jun 27, 2015"

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/for-teachers/101-the-universe/cosmology-and-the-big-bang/general-questions/579-what-is-the-mass-of-the-universe-intermediate
The observable universe is 90.68 billion light years (533.10772 trillion miles) wide, utilizing the latest Planck satellite data.

The entire universe beyond our cosmological particle horizon is likely far, far larger than the observable universe.

The universe is 13.82 billion years old, again utilizing the latest Planck satellite data.

Many people confuse the age of the universe with our cosmological particle horizon.

Axil

Re: Chiral polarization is the KEY to the LENR reaction
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The advancement of LENR know how has been near impossible in these last decades because of the profit motive that most experimenters operate under. No matter how hard these people work during their lives, their know how is lost to the grave. The open source LENR development method where all research progress is passed on to others to continue the work is the only way that LENR can advance and spread, and where this sucessful LENR research can be protected from loss, openly documented, and passed on to others.

talisman

Re: Chiral polarization is the KEY to the LENR reaction
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The knowledge might be open for the open source but can they produce a useful application for the layman knowledge is free parts and time only cost and no licence fee?

Brillouin has a boiler for sale it is it competitive to the energy output benefit?

Rossi and Mills have found their zone shift priority and lengthen mass availability projections.

Jet nanors (MIT LENR tiny devices) a good product but it is not like buying fuses off the shelf gratis that gets there some way.     

Axil

Re: Chiral polarization is the KEY to the LENR reaction
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Stabilizing the Chernobyl reactor site using LENR.

The Chernobyl reactor site will remain dangerous to life for many centuries. During this long period, it will become increasing more difficult and expensive to enclose the old deteriorating sarcophagi with ever larger enclosures.

With the advent of LENR technology, it may be possible to stabilize the ruins of the Chernobyl reactor encased in the sarcophagus using one or more LENR based turbines through the exposure of heated air produced by a LENR source to circulate around inside the sarcophagus.

The LENR based turbines will transfer the spin chirality of the LENR reaction onto the air that cools the LENR reaction. This LENR processed air will tend to stabilize the radioactive isotopes contained inside the sarcophagus though the transfer of LENR chirality onto the radioactive ash of the Chernobyl reactor. The decay rates of these radioactive isotopes will accelerate and after a short time will stabilize.

An experiment to verify if this process will work entails placing a radioactive isotope in air contact with a LENR reactor. Once we get a LENR reactor to operate in a more or less stable manor for a short time, the radiation produced by the radioactive source in air contact can be measured. The “Alan experiment” could be such a working LENR reactor. The radioactive isotope could be placed both inside the plasma tube and also on the surface of the plasma tube of the “Alan experiment” and monitored for a decrease in its production of radiation and a change in their half-life.

The Chernobyl reactor stabilization effort would just be a process of scaling up this LENR method.

talisman

Re: Chiral polarization is the KEY to the LENR reaction
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George Wiseman the top HHO expert has another easier less expensive way. Hydrogen is in the mix. He shows on his eagle research website a claimed experiment with photo with Atomic Energy Canada looking on. A radioactive element is claimed to disintegrate in a closed room and leave nil radioactivity. He says they walked away and says it was politically sensitive.