Gaslighting

Cycle

Re: Gaslighting
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Quote from Matt Watts on June 10th, 05:11 PM
I suppose you have the economic charts for all 300 million Americans and can prove beyond a doubt all of those charts have vastly trended upward?
All charts from the US Bureau of Economic Analysis...

US Initial Jobless Claims, 20 Jan 2017 - Present:

Note the downtrend.

US Unemployment Rate, 20 Jan 2017 - Present:

Note the downtrend.

US GDP Growth Rate, Jan 2017 - Present:

Note the low growth rate in Jan 2017, a remnant of the prior administration's policies.

US Exports, Jan 2017 - Present:

Note the uptrend. Further note the low rate of exports in Jan 2017, a remnant of the prior administration's policies.

US Commercial and Industrial Loans, Jan 2017 - Present:

Note the uptrend as commercial and industrial business ramps up in the US.

US Full-Time Employment, Jan 2017 - Present:

Note the uptrend.

US Disposable Personal Income, Jan 2017 - Present:

Note the uptrend.

Quote from Matt Watts on June 10th, 05:11 PM
I can say unequivocally my chart isn't trending upwards and I do work for a "Fortune 500 company".  My peers and I watch daily as foreign H1-B visa holders pour into this company, untrained, unskilled and way overpaid.  Meanwhile the educated and experienced workers get pushed to the curb working insane hours (with no overtime) cleaning up the mess "our foreign friends" make.  Literally a mess too when the Orkin team has to come in and do extensive pest control remediation.  Vacation that we actually earn is taken away from us, all our internal systems are in shambles.  The management chain and executives are completely mum.  To them everything is running smooth, better than ever.  We have severity level 2 & 3 outages now weekly, which are used by management as leverage to take away our bonuses--bonuses which in the past amounted to nice chunks of change.  We're told, "do more with less."  Fat chance Bubba.  Not going to happen.
What you say is happening didn't start happening when Trump took office. Likely it'd been happening long prior. Now think about who is protesting for open borders and unlimited, unvetted immigration; forcing employers to not ask if a prospective employee has an arrest record; forcing employers to not do background checks on prospective employees; etc.

You need to gather evidence and present it (anonymously, if need be) to the shareholders, who will replace management with competent personnel, if you don't want to move to a competently-run company.

Likely what's happened is that during the prior decade of slow growth but easy money, management went on a stock-buyback spree using leverage. This boosts the value of management's stock options. Even with no earnings growth, they can borrow long-term money to buy back stock and make their stock options more valuable.

Now that interest rates are rising, they've got to pivot to actually being productive, rather than 'marking time'. If they don't drive productivity and thus earnings growth, that long-term money they borrowed to do buybacks will come back to bite them. In severe cases, the company will implode from the debt.

So management is trying to stanch cash flow while simultaneously boosting earnings... a hard row to hoe. They should have seen this coming, but they likely bought into the "Hillary will win" fake-news meme, and thought they could ride the easy-money gravy train until retirement.

onepower

Re: Gaslighting
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He says, as he belittles the president in a desperate and futile attempt at helping his failed political ideology gain an upper hand.
In my opinion my political ideology is no different than yours when I see all my family and friends everywhere struggling to make ends meet. How are we different cycle when we are all effected in similar ways?. Our beliefs one way or another would seem to have no bearing on the facts all of us face. Yes I have a major problem with Trump because he is a salesman peddling snake oil as most salesmen do in my opinion... I do not trust them. They tend to do anything to make the sale then walk away from all accountability as history has often proven.
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If you'd said what you said about any member of this forum, you'd have been banned. You were abusive. More than that, you were wrong, as I proved.
Would you like me to say your right about everything and I am a moron?... where does the conversation go from there cycle?. I would be willing to bet that if we met face to face and jumped in my 4x4 with some guns and fishing rods and a flat of beer we would be like two peas in a pod and yet here we are. I would be willing to bet we are more alike than either of us would care to admit.

Were all getting screwed in my opinion and not in a way anyone likes regardless of the politics or ideology because it would seem to be happening globally. If it was a matter of politics or ideology then why is it happening almost everywhere?. Something is fubar and I intend to figure out exactly what it is and why it's happening and do something about it.

Cycle

Re: Gaslighting
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Quote from onepower on June 10th, 07:05 PM
In my opinion my political ideology is no different than yours when I see all my family and friends everywhere struggling to make ends meet. How are we different cycle when we are all effected in similar ways?
It is your beliefs (liberalism, socialism) that got us into the mess you so loudly complain about.

It is my beliefs (conservatism, capitalism) which are getting us out of the mess.

We are nothing alike. We are diametrically opposed. If you can't see that, you've got far larger problems than I'm able to ameliorate.
Re: Gaslighting
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Quote from onepower on June 10th, 07:24 PM
I think we should take this to the next level and have a chat because I think I like your bad attitude... are you up for a chat?
Skype or telephone... your call.
I have nothing to say which cannot be said in public. Your attempt at moving this via PM to a private conversation (concerning a thread which you started to address this specific topic) leads me to believe you have an ulterior motive in attempting to discover my telephone number (or Skype address).

onepower

Re: Gaslighting
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I have nothing to say which cannot be said in public. Your attempt at moving this via PM to a private conversation (on a thread which you started to address this specific topic) leads me to believe you have an ulterior motive in asking for my telephone number.
No cycle, it was my attempt to talk with another person face to face as real men often do. You can never truly know another person until you talk with them and I have no fear of talking face to face with anyone... I know who I am do you?. Let's chat face to face... are you up for it?. I won't bite... promise, lol.

haxar


Cycle

Re: Gaslighting
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Quote from onepower on June 10th, 07:39 PM
No cycle, it was my attempt to talk with another person face to face as real men often do. You can never truly know another person until you talk with them and I have no fear of talking face to face with anyone... I know who I am do you?. Let's chat face to face... are you up for it?. I won't bite... promise, lol.
No. This is a public thread in a public marketplace of ideas. If your ideas can't stand the light of scrutiny in public, they certainly won't when I'm unrestrained by a TOS, in a private conversation.

But you certainly will be able to make assertions about a private conversation which paints you in a favorable light, and you'll have the ability to out my identity to the whackos on your side who have no problem calling employers, harassing people at home and physically attacking them because those whackos know their ideas cannot stand on their own.

Lest you have that idea, you should know that I'm quite adept at evidentiary argumentation, I am quite litigious, and I fully exercise my constitutional rights.

In short, I distrust your motives. Your subscription to the failed political ideology of liberalism, combined with the abuses committed by those of your ilk because they have no other means of advancing their position except for violence and abuse, lead to this distrust.