Logic

onepower

Re: Logic
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PP
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As for banning guns! to get on an Airplane, or enter a major Sporting event or other public events we have to go through scanners/metal detectors so why not schools?
Instead of banning guns they should think about banning Facebook and Twitter,,,lol
So you think we should be scanned or searched in all public places, give everyone a gun and ban social media... Got it.
Re: Logic
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Cycle
You must really really care because I have never seen anyone try so hard to convince everyone their right. In any case I imagine we will know the truth soon enough and to be honest I don't seem to be nearly as passionate about the topic of climate change as you are.
Good luck with that.

Cycle

Re: Logic
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Your failed attempt at conflating "passion" and "knowledge" is noted.

onepower

Re: Logic
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Fair enough... I have a more relevant question. Do you think free energy is just another libtard hoax as well or is there something to it, is it possible?.

Cycle

Re: Logic
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You apparently haven't read any of my prior posts. I suggest you do so.

PeakPositive

Re: Logic
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Quote from onepower on March 10th, 07:35 PM
PP
So you think we should be scanned or searched in all public places, give everyone a gun and ban social media... Got it.
I guess you don’t know what lol means. It stands for laughing out loud indicating a joke.

Also this ? means I’m asking a question.

Sorry to confuse you.

onepower

Re: Logic
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PP
I was making a joke as well.
Where I grew up in the heartland of conservatism we called it a "Thompson" as in Hunter S Thompson who was kind of a folk hero. It was a time when everyone owned a truck and carried a bottle of whiskey and a rifle behind the seat and nobody talked about freedom and independence... you lived it.
Basically a "Thompson" is when you take what the person said out of context then end with ... "got it" as a form of sarcasm. It's not for everyone.

PeakPositive

Re: Logic
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Quote from onepower on March 11th, 06:32 AM
PP
I was making a joke as well.
Where I grew up in the heartland of conservatism we called it a "Thompson" as in Hunter S Thompson who was kind of a folk hero. It was a time when everyone owned a truck and carried a bottle of whiskey and a rifle behind the seat and nobody talked about freedom and independence... you lived it.
Basically a "Thompson" is when you take what the person said out of context then end with ... "got it" as a form of sarcasm. It's not for everyone.
lol, got it :)

heatlocke

Re: Logic
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 I am absolutely luvin this thread ! Although I haven`t added to it Cycle has made a pretty good points for me. Grownups having fiesty dialog, making excellent arguments for both sides and at the end of the day no one is mad. Great !

onepower

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Doing a little research and found insurance companies have hard data for about 200 years which show extreme weather events due to climate change are in fact increasing. The insurance companies attribute the increased damages to climate change. Then I had an idea, as a conservative I find it offensive that many think they can damage the environment and then get a free ride from the taxpayers so why not charge an extra insurance fee scaled to environmental damage?. Why should I pay more taxes and insurance so some uneducated fossil fuel bimbo can see a profit?. You see the taxpayer is in fact subsidizing the entire fossil fuel industry which does not pay for the damage they have caused thus in my opinion it is a socialist system.
The conservative belief, my belief is that there is no free lunch and everyone pays there own way so why are we collectively paying for damage the fossil fuel industry created?. That's not conservative, its a so called libtard socialist system designed to transfer wealth to the fossil fuel industry while we the taxpayer foot the bill for the damage done. Not to mention pollution kills more people than all other diseases combined overloading the health care care system driving prices up. We are also seeing water bodies and ground water pollution increasing drastically which increases local and state taxes. So if anyone wants to talk about libtards they can start with the freeloading fossil fuel industry.

Matt Watts

Re: Logic
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Just so you know, "fossil fuel" is another hoax that's been played on us all.
http://rense.com/general67/oils.htm
Quote from onepower on March 15th, 05:39 PM
You see the taxpayer is in fact subsidizing the entire ...
That's what we are here for onepower, to pay for everything.  You don't think the owners of this planet are going to pay for anything do you?  We are just the engine, the engine the elite use to get what they want and if you haven't guessed yet, they want it all.

Free energy is already here and has been here for many centuries; it's called your labor.

Cycle

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Quote from onepower on March 15th, 05:39 PM
Doing a little research and found insurance companies have hard data for about 200 years which show extreme weather events due to climate change are in fact increasing. The insurance companies attribute the increased damages to climate change.
He says, without referencing that purported "hard data", while completely ignoring the fact that storm intensity has in fact been decreasing, but the number of people building in flood zones has increased, as has the dollar value of the properties built, resulting in higher dollar losses for any given storm of any given intensity.

US Annual Count of Strong to Violent Tornadoes (F3+), 1954-2014

That's a declining trend.

And the Emanuel study from 2005 has been savaged by researchers... thoroughly debunked. He claimed an 80% increase in Cat4 and Cat5 hurricanes, and was roundly laughed at for his ludicrous assertion.

Even the warmists at the NOAA state that their purported 'global warming' (which is now actually cooling... what they've taken to calling a "warming hole'... a 'hole' which extends over North America, Europe, Asia... practically the entire northern hemisphere) hasn't increased hurricane intensity or frequency.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/04/05/global-warming-and-hurricanes-noaa-says-no-measurable-effect-yet/

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/02/19/a-new-paper-about-hurricanes-shatters-the-narrative/

That's no trend since 1970.
Quote from onepower on March 15th, 05:39 PM
Then I had an idea, as a conservative
Saying so doesn't make it so, and you seem to feel a need to keep reminding us of that... yet you keep chugging the libtard koolaid.
Quote from onepower on March 15th, 05:39 PM
I find it offensive that many think they can damage the environment and then get a free ride from the taxpayers so why not charge an extra insurance fee scaled to environmental damage?
Prove the damage. The planet has greened, storm intensity is down, crop production is up, hurricane intensity and frequency hasn't changed for 50 years, humanity is wealthier and healthier... how about we charge a fee to retards who build in a flood zone, instead? Stupidity should hurt, after all.
Quote from onepower on March 15th, 05:39 PM
Why should I pay more taxes and insurance so some uneducated fossil fuel bimbo can see a profit?
That doesn't sound conservative at all... I think you're a libtard in sheep's clothing.
Quote from onepower on March 15th, 05:39 PM
You see the taxpayer is in fact subsidizing the entire fossil fuel industry which does not pay for the damage they have caused thus in my opinion it is a socialist system.
This is the T17 mine in Kolwezi. where lithium is extracted for electric car batteries:

This is a reclaimed oil sands site in Alberta, Canada:

Tell us all again how evil oil is, and how much better for the environment your electric car is. :D
Quote from onepower on March 15th, 05:39 PM
The conservative belief, my belief
You keep emphasizing that... almost as though you're trying to shift public opinion over to your libtard way of thinking. Strange, that.
Quote from onepower on March 15th, 05:39 PM
is that there is no free lunch and everyone pays there own way so why are we collectively paying for damage the fossil fuel industry created?
How about the millions upon millions of birds and bats the windmills are killing, leading to crop loss due to increased insect numbers?

How about the lithium extraction mines despoiling the environment to provide lithium for electric cars, which have a lower overall efficiency from power plant to wheels than a modern internal combustion-engine'd vehicle (and that's not even taking into account that those batteries then have to be disposed of,  nor that a lot of those supposedly 'more efficient' electric cars are powered from the 30.4% of coal-powered generation)?

How about the fact that solar cell manufacturing, shipping, installation and maintenance takes more energy than the solar cells will generate over their entire lifetime, while dumping all the pollutants for their manufacture, shipping and installation into the environment now, rather than a conventional power plant dribbling much less pollution out over the estimated 18 year lifespan of a typical solar panel? (That 18 year lifespan figure was from a massive empirical study which tracked actual solar panels and figured out their lifespan... many of them ceased functioning after hail or wind damage, and there's no reason to believe that'll change in the future. It's the same study which figured out every energy input from mining to manufacturing to shipping to installation and maintenance... and found the panels don't generate enough to cover that energy expenditure over their average lifespan... and you'll note the energy expenditure was primarily from fossil fuels. Funnily enough, the researchers were 'true believers' in solar, and set out to prove solar's superiority... they ended up proving the exact opposite.)




http://www.businessinsider.com/solar-panel-makers-grappling-with-waste-2013-2
Quote from http://www.businessinsider.com/solar-panel-makers-grappling-with-waste-2013-2
Fueled partly by billions in government incentives, the industry is creating millions of solar panels each year and, in the process, millions of pounds of polluted sludge and contaminated water.
Then you have to take into account that solar panels are setting roofs on fire; that firefighters are required to let a structure burn to the ground if the fire (no matter its cause) has reached the roof or attic space rather than attempt to put out the fire unless you've got specially-built solar panels which break the current inside each panel (only Munich, Germany has these to date) to avoid electrocution hazards; that they're easily damaged by hail or high winds; that their output wanes as they age; that they have to be kept clean or their output falls dramatically; that it takes 79 workers building and installing solar panels to equal the same power output equivalent of 1 coal worker or 2 natural gas workers (and you're paying their wages if you install solar, whether you admit it or not); that they radically destabilize the electric grid, causing electricity rates to skyrocket; and that they're classified as toxic waste when disposed of after their ~18 year lifespan (and you'll be paying to dispose of them).
Quote from onepower on March 15th, 05:39 PM
That's not conservative, its a so called libtard socialist system designed to transfer wealth to the fossil fuel industry while we the taxpayer foot the bill for the damage done.
No, the libtards are the ones stealing taxpayer money to fund projects which do real damage to the environment.. many of which have failed.

Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
SunPower ($1.2 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
Abound Solar ($400 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
Johnson Controls ($299 million)
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
GreenVolts ($500,000)
Vestas ($50 million)
LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Navistar ($39 million)
Satcon ($3 million)*
Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)

See those 19 asterisks above? Yeah, those are the ones which went bankrupt... that taxpayer money could have been better spent elsewhere. That's a 57.57% failure rate, by the way. And that's not even taking into account the multiple billions of dollars of taxpayer money given to the purchasers of those solar panels as 'incentive'... if it's such a great idea, why does it need to be 'incentivized' to such a high degree? How about we let the market decide, without government meddling on the taxpayer's dime?
Quote from onepower on March 15th, 05:39 PM
everyone pays there own way
Ah, I see you agree with all that I've written... is this a temporary sanity, or more long-term? :D
Quote from onepower on March 15th, 05:39 PM
Not to mention pollution kills more people than all other diseases combined
Cite? Or is this yet another instance in which you've been gullible enough to chug the libtard koolaid?

According to the study you were gullible enough to go to a libtard site, read and completely believe, pollution killed 9 million people in 2015. There were 7.2 billion people alive in 2015, per the Population Reference Bureau. That's 0.125% of the population.

According to NIH, deaths in 2015 due to:
All causes 1656/100,000 (1.656% of the population) <<<< NOTE: THIS BLOWS YOUR BLATHER OUT OF THE WATER

Infections 273/100,000 (0.273% of the population) <<<< NOTE: THIS BLOWS YOUR BLATHER OUT OF THE WATER

Neoplasms 242/100,000 (0.242% of the population) <<<< NOTE: THIS BLOWS YOUR BLATHER OUT OF THE WATER

Circulatory 653/100,000 (0.653% of the population) <<<< NOTE: THIS BLOWS YOUR BLATHER OUT OF THE WATER

Pregnancy 7/100,000 (0.007% of the population)
Perinatal 64/100,000 (0.064% of the population)
Injury 111/100,000 (0.111% of the population)
Other 307/100,000 (0.307% of the population)

Five of the biggest hallmarks of libtards:
1) They're notoriously bad at math.
2) They have no sense of scale.
3) They have no sense of history.
4) They're gullible enough to believe every scary story they manage to read.
5) They remain clue-repellent. Willingly so.

onepower

Re: Logic
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Cycle
Do you know what I would like to see?, mandatory use of a real name, photo and email in all the forums. Personally I think I have you pegged cycle and your most likely one of those little apartment dwelling skinny jean/bit coin tards who gets paid to sit on their ass all day and troll social media. I mean who in their right mind spam posts every single thread peddling misinformation and casting doubt on free and renewable energy while championing fossil fuels and guns.

It's pretty obvious your a troll and I have to wonder how much are you getting paid?. What is the going rate to sell your soul and integrity these days?. Personally I find it comical so spam away troll boy, spam away, lol.

Matt Watts

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Well guys, it was fun while it lasted, but the crazy train is going off the rails.

I like seeing people get together and explore the unknown, but when the football game turns into a hockey match, it's time for a reset.


FINAL THOUGHTS:

We each have our own dogma.  When my dogma is incompatible with your dogma, we should recognize something is amiss.  Typically this leads to two distinct paths:  (1)  I'm right and you're wrong, period.  (2)  We dose-up on oxytocin and fall headfirst down the oversized rabbit hole.  But there is a third option:  (3)  In a logical world, the truth is the truth however hard to swallow.  Reality and awareness are out of sync and need to come together.  My hope is that we can come together and figure out what it is we were born into and maybe make a few adjustments to thwart the pending self-annihilation of humanity and all the innocent creatures we will undoubtedly take down with us.  Every one of us has the ability to make a positive move.  What say you?

~Russ

Re: Logic
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hey guys and gals... i have know idea what happen, I'm not caught up to the discussion here. iv only seen some of the PM's that went around.

this happens over and over and over.

All i can say is that we are all adults, there are some rules here on the forums that we all need to abide by. thees rules are in place to help from these conflicts. such as name calling....  and positive cretinism only to be said....

with that said. we ALL must press on and agree to disagree.

the people here are all very well capable of talking to each other with the agreement to disagree when they need to, with out going off on each other...

with that said. Please for the sake of my sanity and your own just keep moving forward...

in the end the only thing that madders is LOVE. that's it. NOTHING ELSE AT ALL...

LOVE. one another. even when you have to agree to disagree...

~Russ

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