The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017

patrick1

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
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wow, amazing your getting such a high capacitance,  - in the uf range , i never thought i would see that in a coil.  way out of the norm.  -

hopefully its useful for something,  although you have too question the usefulness of something that you have never seen done.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qrgy_zz6bwA&t=34s

above video i firmed last night after my above post,  --  and the isolation power suppy thing for the hbridge driver, actaully works ;-)   

Matt Watts

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1676,  »
Quote from patrick1 on January 13th, 01:13 AM
-  so what i am working on today, is an "isolated power delivery system too some capacitors, which will hopfully replace the 9v batteries,...

-0 will post a circuit diagram when im happy with it,
May I suggest using isolated signal and power as I have done already for my SERPS drivers.



With this design, the transistor works very much like a true mechanical switch, though only unidirectional.  If you need bidirectional, here's a circuit that will do it:


~Russ

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1677,  »
Quote from ~Russ on January 13th, 10:01 PM
Thanks Patrick. Will need to respond to your post. For now here is some data. ~Russ
after a re-evaluation of my LRC meter... I now realize that the measurements although still possibly useful are also flawed due to the way the meter is trying to measure it. measuring the capacitance with a resystance like 4 ohms... 8...16...32.. really messes up the capacitance measurements. the inductance should be about right when connected correctly. ( across the inductor) but when measuring an open capacitance circuit the inductance may experience the same fault / error.

HOWEVER. Its also possible that at the frequency those values are correct... but i have no way to verify the capacitance... The resistance is to low... cant even use a "charge discharge time consent" so more work to do.

Included catching up on the posts here...

but i needed to share the result of the result... to be a bit messed up.
~Russ

patrick1

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1678,  »
High voltages and short time periods russ,  and impossible difficult measurements. for me anyway,-   but i appreciate your photos, that it far more useful in every way !

MATT, they are beautiful circuits.  ( im already using opto isolators on mine btw, ).  and a few inductors on the TTL power side.

I would love too see some of your other work matt,  truley a piece of art,  have you drawn up any versions of your serps  capacitors and output side ?

Matt Watts

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1679,  »
Quote from patrick1 on January 14th, 11:06 PM
MATT, they are beautiful circuits.
Thank you for the compliment.
Quote from patrick1 on January 14th, 11:06 PM
( im already using opto isolators on mine btw, ).  and a few inductors on the TTL power side.
For the first time ever I began using the Infineon capacitively isolated gate drivers.  Though they are surface mount and a little small to deal with, they really work nice and push an IGBT about as good as you can get.
Quote from patrick1 on January 14th, 11:06 PM
I would love too see some of your other work matt,  truley a piece of art,  have you drawn up any versions of your serps  capacitors and output side ?
Feel free to peruse my SERPS thread.  I'm currently using some Kemet pulse capacitors.  Things are kind of on-hold at the moment--not sure what direction to go in based on the data I have so far.

PeakPositive

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1680,  »
Quote from ~Russ on January 14th, 12:39 PM
after a re-evaluation of my LRC meter... I now realize that the measurements although still possibly useful are also flawed due to the way the meter is trying to measure it. measuring the capacitance with a resystance like 4 ohms... 8...16...32.. really messes up the capacitance measurements. the inductance should be about right when connected correctly. ( across the inductor) but when measuring an open capacitance circuit the inductance may experience the same fault / error.

HOWEVER. Its also possible that at the frequency those values are correct... but i have no way to verify the capacitance... The resistance is to low... cant even use a "charge discharge time consent" so more work to do.

Included catching up on the posts here...

but i needed to share the result of the result... to be a bit messed up.
~Russ
Hi Russ

To find the capacitance of a bi-filer coils u can to do this.

1. Connect the input of coil #1 to the output of coil #1.
2. Connect the input of coil #2 to the output of coil #2.

Now u have two wires where capacitance can be measured.

This turns coil 1 into a single plate and coil 2 into a single plate just like a standard capacitor.

From there u can add up any number of coils to calculate depending if series or parallel


patrick1

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1681,  »
Thanks Matt, i will browse the Serps thread over a beer one night,  somthing i have been doing in my head often enough anyway since Jim dropped that one.  although i still not sure what he was actaully doing, there are so many possibilities that are plausible, -

Does any one know what stepper motors are like as generators ?.  currently machineing a stand, -  so hopfully a suitable newman load,  - F&P motor is just too big for my current newman,  ... it outputs about 5 -8 watts into  a 240 incandescent... but i suspect the cogging is loosing me 10 watts, .  anyway hopfully il post tonight if i can finish this stepper
Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1682,  »
check it out,   the stepper motor gave supprising results. -  although the motor feels powerful, - it dosnt handle real loads very well at all ;=\.  ..  stepper seems good, but are they as gennies ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbU1n6hOr2E&feature=youtu.be
Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1683,  »
I have just tested the capacitor / bridge rectifier . isolation circuit on the newman, with all 4 of the H bridge transistors

and it works tested up too 500volts .   - however before i chalk that into my circuit diagram, i want too get some larger value
metal polyester capacitors , for the ac rails, ( pre rectifier )   ... because the electrolytics, post recifier, are only holding 5volts
at the moment, which is the minimum droped for the transistors, -  so too get more power basically, .  back too max power.

hopfully in next few days can finalize this circuit for my 1.7k newman coil

securesupplies

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
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the way you wrap is important to get magnification,
Check Steven Marks linear wire wrapping
and modern flat square wires

patrick1

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1685,  »
I must admit that is surprising, - have you verified any advantages too neat wiring ?

personally i have observed significant advantages of LITz wire. - same coil, same weight of wire on the coil. (tested 6 coils @ 6.3 ohms each,)
- i have videos btw, but basically, having many turns of thin wire, in place of thicker wire.  is better. . gains of 30% extra OU effect in my linear motor.

***https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bhDG0YE6KA

on this rig, tested (altered with 50mm steed rod instead of 30mm, thick.  and only 10cm long,   with a 6filar coil @ 6.3 ohms,
managed my best ever weight lift test,  ; 670grams  on 1w =  670% efficency   , also 2.6kg @ 10w  also 6.5kg @ 68w

 

securesupplies

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1686,  »
Study Steven marks for LITz wire calculations


particlezoo

[Stray Capacitance, Just Add Water] Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
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There is an easy way to increase the distributed capacitance that I tried that doesn't require rewinding the spool. Adding any conductive liquid or powder in between the windings will create a near-equipotential volume between all the windings. The result is that the entire wire insulation area will contribute to the capacitance and the effective dielectric thickness can be as thin as two wire enamel insulation layers.

I have done a lot of tests, with or without magnetic cores, and with or without conductive fillers. I used Analog Discovery 1 when recording.
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Note: "Discovery2 DEMO" shows on the status bar because I did not have my Analog Discovery 1 connected to my computer when I took the screenshots
Attachments: Zip file "Impedance Tests - 1 lb Magnet Wire (Download WaveForms from Analog Devices Website).zip" is attached to this post.

1 pound of copper 36 AWG (CMS Magnetics - magnet4sale.com)
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In order to increase the penetration of water into the coil, I used a Dremel cutter wheel in order to cleanly remove the top flange of the spool, which allowed me to stretch the coil as well as access some wire in the inside layer. After I did this, I put the coil into a jar and filled it with water, the resulting resonant frequency was significantly lowered.


About 3.39khz resonant frequency without H20 poured into the plastic container containing the coil
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Capacitance and "Dissipation"


Capacitance and Phase
Notice the presence of the second peak past 10 Mhz, yet the phase angle remains negative.



About 426hz resonant frequency with H20 poured into the plastic container containing the coil
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Capacitance and "Dissipation"


Capacitance and Phase
Notice the presence of the second peak past 10 Mhz, where the phase angle becomes positive. This is likely due to the presence of series resonance between the capacitance and inductance of the capacitive currents that propagate perpendicularly to the wire (diverging/converging currents). This results in an impedance low due to series resonance at this second peak. At lower frequencies, the tiny, tiny inductance of these capacitive currents bears very little reactance, and instead, we see that this capacitance is effectively parallel to our standard coil inductance which has a much larger value inductance and thus lower self-resonant frequency with an impedance high due to parallel resonance).
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Impedance and "Dissipation"

  • Note that using graphite powder will result in an even lower self-resonant frequency of the coil than with water, although it is quite messy.
  • While the voltage capacity will be lowered, it will take less voltage to store a certain amount of energy in the dielectric. This may mean that a solid-state switch may become workable with a Newman machine without having to have many tens of thousands of volts in the inductive-spike.
  • The dielectric-conductor interface will collect positive or negative charges that will be separated apart on inside vs. outside winding layers (Q_net_of_conductor_and_insulator = C * V * (1/insulator dielectric constant)).
  • The alternations of dielectric-conductor interface charges result in an alternating radial current between the winding layers.
  • These radial currents are convergent/divergent and may cause Nd2Fe14B with a relative magnetic permeability of 1.05 to alternate rapidly in strength.
  • The electric polarization of the magnet which is due to (electric polarization density P) = (velocity v) x (magnetization M / c^2) or (electric dipole moment p) = (velocity v) x (magnetic dipole moment mu / c^2) will oscillate.
  • The electric field due to the induced electric dipole moment p is close to being irrotational, while the electric field due to the time variation of magnetic dipole moment mu is strictly rotational. The former and latter are out of phase by approximately 90 degrees. Therefore, the voltages (line integral of E-field contribution) from each are out of phase by 90 degrees.
    • The former is where we get work done by the fast-moving electrons in the atoms of the magnet (due to E-field "pancaking") applied to conduction+dielectric currents (provided that these currents are divergent/convergent in contrast to closed electric currents in conventional electric drives/generators). This is a form of capacitive coupling power transfer, at a distance.
    • The latter is responsible for the mutual inductive reactive power (acting between the radial conduction+dielectric currents and a slightly magnetically-permeable magnet). Reason: The curl of the electric field is connected with changes in the magnetic field according to the Maxwell-Faraday equation.
    • Assuming radiative, resistive, and hysteresis losses etc. are small enough, the two above effects (former and latter) when combined result in a driven oscillator where the source of energy is kinetic+potential energy of electron orbitals. Note: This is in connection with the higher frequency series resonance I discussed above.
    • Supporting material:
      • https://arxiv.org/pdf/1506.01524.pdf "Interaction between an electric charge and a magnetic dipole of any kind (permanent, para- or dia- magnetic or superconducting)" by G. Asti and R. Coïsson
        Quote from G. Asti and R. Coïsson
        In order to show that the physical interpretation may be different, let us consider the power exchanged by the internal generator and the field in the case of the rigid MD, which can be calculated as the time derivative of the energy of the equivalent electric dipole in the field E. [See equation 39.]
      • https://www.vasantcorporation.com/what_can_swt_do.php "What Can Spin Wave Technology Do?" by George J. Bugh
        Quote from George J. Bugh
        It should be possible to absorb some of the energy present in standing waves among all matter and convert it to electricity to power electrical motors and appliances.

        This can be accomplished through spin wave interactions with the electromagnetic standing waves among all matter.

patrick1

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1688,  »
wow nice blender, mmm fruity.

am i too understand that space between the wires,  the dialetric field, is a microcosm of meyers 2 plate electrolyzer cells ?.   sounds amazing.
can i ask,( never having come across this idea before ) does it create incidental hho during operation ?  - truly hard too imagine being so radically different,

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1689,  »
this is my current newman coil circuit,  triggered by 2 hall effects & 4017 counters (not pictured)

this is just the power circuit

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1690,  »
crap i missed a few resistor values, will correct this after sunrise.   peace.

~Russ


patrick1

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
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Woohoo i found some small AC generators i forgot i had, - headlight alternators for vintage incandescent bike lights.

my baby newman is hard too do load tests on because of the smallness. - anyways i will run another battery of tests, before my new build comes along.   - i suspect i may get my best COP figures @ low power levels, , so these alternators are well suited. rated for 6volts, 300ma.

oh and i fixed my circuit, or add'd the missing resistor values anyway.   ...   

I also need to catch up on this thread.

https://pasteboard.co/HZ0NGQq.jpg     hmm, not the best image quality,  but the circuit works good. and very efficent




~Russ


Belfior

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1695,  »
Quote from chuff1 on November 5th, 2017, 02:05 PM
The first thing we must contemplate is what exactly is a magnetic field.
Ralph Sansbury has written many papers on the subject and even deducted ampere's law from how he thinks atomic nuclei really is and behaves.

http://exvacuo.free.fr/div/Sciences/Th%C3%A9ories/Ralph%20Sansbury%20-%20Gravitomagnetism%20and%20light.pdf

I think he is more on to what is magnetism than any current textbooks we have

Matt Watts


patrick1

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1697,  »
ohhh i have spotted a connection between this capacitive charging of a newman capacitor coil,  and the SERPS

i was always going too have too step up my switching skillz anyways,  - - i wonder if is possible too reliably do 1kw semiconductor switching.
-  but russ is using 6kv ? errrummm  that is wayyy off the scale of possibility asfar as i know. - i have heard seimens do some UBER SCR's for grid use.   but bestest transistors ive found are by obscure american company, 2500v. 

--  if what i am reading is correct, - the timed intruduction of a HV DC current,  too a AC mains transformer,  may reduce is input, whilst output remains uneffected. -

why do i feel silly ?.


Belfior

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1698,  »
Quote from Matt Watts on February 4th, 05:54 PM
Doht!

Another 157 pages I need to read and consume.  This better be good Belfior.  :myoda:
He has written much more than just his paper :( Make room in your calendar

I do have to admit I'm very fond of the electric universe theory and how their theory explains most of the cosmos and also in simple ways. I think Nature is simple and beautiful and if gravity cannot explain our solar system then we need to erase the blackboard and start over. We do not need to invent more virtual stuff or dark/eddie antimatter.

Dual nature of light as wave and particle is one thing the really bothers me. Nature would not do that. Something smells like granny's taint here, and I just took a shower