Does The Load Consume The Energy?

talisman

Re: Does The Load Consume The Energy?
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Thought of pressure system.

Hypothesis is that the motor runs to zero halfway as the pressure equalizes from tank 1 to tank 2.

(standing wave)

If true the hypothesis is that the power output of the motor is a direct function of the pressure differential.

(potential)

If true then a third tank with a bleeder valve from tank 2 could maintain a differential of pressure past the halfway
equalize point.

Tank 3 probably can not be pumped back to tank one without back pressure until the pressure exceeds tank 1.

(voltage needed to charge not drain battery) (self loop) (direction flow of electron) (potential differential)

 

   

jbignes5

Re: Does The Load Consume The Energy?
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 Well the thought here is the parallel and series caps or batteries. Doing that allows for the differential to still work back and forth between the serial and parallel caps or batteries. Charge differences might be an issue but with the batteries it changes things a bit. More studies need to be had on that split the positive technique. It has such potential lol

~Russ

Re: Does The Load Consume The Energy?
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@ 2:08 i miss spoke. " what is energy"  I stated that "you dont have any stored energy" what i was trying to say is that the energy is always there. its can not be created or destroyed. so what i was trying to express is that energy is always there, but its useless if its "neutral" You need a difference in potential to do something with the energy. however the energy is always there and in never "consumed" nor is it "transformed" ... ~Russ

jbignes5

Re: Does The Load Consume The Energy?
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 My thinking on this:

 What I know is that any voltage presented to the plasma rich environment attracts the plasma and condenses it around that potential. With two plates it separates the plasma into it's components with a neutral zone in between those potential components. Plasma is being attracted to each plate and that is what capacitance is. They didn't call them condensers for nothing.
 This capacitance is made of the plasma. when it is discharged the plasma shifts inside of the cap and flows around the plates and out around the wire following the voltage impulse traveling down the wire. If two polarities are used the plasma splits from neutral to the sub components of +,-.  If the same polarity is used but a differential is used instead then the same event happens just that the negative polarity is not used.
 Using a wave guide setup for even single polarity signals is most likely a bonus as it will contain the plasma around the wire. This kind of a system can be pressurized as well since the plasma can change density at your calling by raising the voltage potential in the wire. This will attract more plasma and pressurize the plasma by using the static shielding. Kinda like water does with air in a pipe. When the plasma relaxes or is allowed to relax it's density will expand out to the environments plasma density.
 I hope this makes sense.

~Russ

Re: Does The Load Consume The Energy?
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Strangely enough I think I do. ~Russ

onepower

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Russ
You rock



haxar

Re: Does The Load Consume The Energy?
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The diode "check valve" is a good one. The adjacent cap stays charged. VIC considered.

Now I see what you did on the live stream.

sonnet

Re: Does The Load Consume The Energy?
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Nice one Russ just watched part 5, The seeds are being sown. For my own work I saw the spark gap as the way to go. That's why I referenced using a buzzbox coil. It serves two purposes not only giving me the higher voltage potential but as you saw in your vids the spark gap is the interrupter my contactors. By the way dont think to use the high voltage of a original buzzbox just wind your coils to output the required voltage you want. The resonance recedes but thats why using a pulse motor you can then see the homopolar inductor on it, which kicks in charge back into the system but this must be timed. A bit like a child on a swing give them a good push and off they go for quite some swings, but every now and then a further push is needed but at the right time to keep the swing going. So place your homopolar magnets on each side of the homopolar inductor in alignment with the pulse motor magnets. The homopolar generator and the pulse motor wheel then become your commutator. Loved your scope work. when I referenced in reply #5 'don't let the current return to the original capacitor' thats exactly what you picked up on with "something" when your interupter was at make or break. Sorry im not a electronics buff just a humble plumber...that's how I saw all this in the first place I used plumbing to get my head around electrics lol. and yes the "something"  is water hammer. Your circuit you first started to describe is not ulike a ram pump. Regards
Re: Does The Load Consume The Energy?
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Just throwing this out there, if you want to experiement try. replacing the coil in your video with a buzzbox circuit. use the output from the buzzbox circuit to give the higher potential voltage back to the original capacitor. So when the circuit is connected as you do in the vid the original cap gives its charge to the second cap but recieves a charge back to the original cap from the buzzbox circuit output.

~Russ

Re: Does The Load Consume The Energy?
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Good stuff soonet. That's the direction I'm headed. :)

More to do and demonstrate as I have. One must learn to share. Lately I kinds like going back to the basics as it's showing it's self me. ;) 

Thanks for Posting.

~Russ

jbignes5

Re: Does The Load Consume The Energy?
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 Just to throw this out there. Look at the example here of what they knew back then.
 Can you see the bifilar method used to keep the internal circuit away from the others?

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4NDVkjT9mg

 This was a secret for a very long time. Go figure...

Matt Watts

Re: Does The Load Consume The Energy?
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Quote from ~Russ on October 5th, 2017, 04:17 AM
That's the direction I'm headed. :)

More to do and demonstrate as I have. One must learn to share. Lately I kinds like going back to the basics as it's showing it's self me. ;)
This video should be titled Overunity 101.

I would have liked to seen the resistor in series with the coil to show how the resistor slows the transfer of energy.


The blip happening before/after current is flowing is interesting stuff, but prior to showing this, imagine something for a moment...

Suppose those capacitors were big one Farad caps, stout conductors and some sort of low resistance load.  Connected in this setup, imagine synchronous rectifiers with nearly no voltage drop.  The inductor being also very low resistance.  The synchronous rectifiers are perfectly timed to the load connected, so that energy transfer is complete at each cycle.  My question I pose to you all...

If one of the caps was charged and the other cap fully discharged, how long could I run this load before the two capacitors equalized?

That answer EXACTLY translates into Coefficient of Performance.

I'm very confident if everything is tuned/timed just right, the load will run many times longer than it would take to charge one of those capacitors.



Thank you Russ for laying it all out there with such clarity.  If anyone is still struggling after what you just demonstrated, please, speak up.  We will help you.  This is about as easy as it gets.



haxar

Re: Does The Load Consume The Energy?
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Quote from Matt Watts on October 5th, 2017, 07:07 AM
This video should be titled Overunity 101.
"Important" Overunity 101

jbignes5

Re: Does The Load Consume The Energy?
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 It's called a split secondary. It uses reflection to negate one signal as it is traveling around the core. Just like a transmission line does in destroying the signal after the reflection.
 The series bifilar method works much the same way. The first pass through the first half of the coil is normal but the second pass counters the reflection of the next pass. I'm betting you only pay once and if the system doesn't have much resistance it shouldn't loose anything really that we could not reinforce by successive bumps.
  In my other videos I put up here it talks about wires as transmission lines. Hell that is how we tell how much current is going through them with a clamp meter. You can also sniff the voltage from around wires as well. They all transmit. Learning to contain that transmission from around the wire could reduce loss as well.
 My point is this. That if we destroy the reflected waves that are traveling along the wires then we would only have a net positive flow and enable us to draw from the one side only as in the case of Russ's examples with the cap dumps or the split the positive example. The only reason we have to pay for our current systems is because they don not get rid of the anti wave reflecting back and killing the initial energy in the wire and the battery or cap. Get rid of the reflection and you shouldn't have to pay anything else. Plus we could recharge the initial cap through that process as well, diverting just enough to fill the starting cap back up.
 In the video I showed all one has to do is follow the current as they inaccurately show flowing in the wire. It most definitely flows outside of the wire and the electric field is the guide for that external flow. The electric field is a surface event that ever so slightly terminates a very small depth into the wire. The wire in this sense is a current wave guide and is the reason for voltage leads current in most normal setups.

Ragnor

Re: Does The Load Consume The Energy?
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Video #5 @Russ

Good demonstration

Watched the video through to the end. Cool to see your experiments there.
Good Stuff
 
The comment about the spark gap acting as a diode. That's what the odd multiple of the of the quarter wavelength is! It's the standing wave that reflects the energy back into the system. That's what Tesla was getting at, I believe. That is my new understanding.

 When I was a kid there was this water hammer (air ram pump) out in the woods. When I got over being terrified of the sound and finally snuck up on it I found it a strange and amazing device. When I asked my dad about it he said it had always been there and that it had never stopped working and he explained to me what it did. So I have always had some appreciation for this device since a young age. It's deeply imprinted.
 So then I have from time to time considered the air ram as an electrical circuit. I have notes on it around here somewhere. Anyway, your water hammer story really hits home. I get it and I agree.

Also the disruption following the spikes are the thunder in the circuit, that I mentioned elsewhere

Good video Man, I was immersed. lol.


And I almost forgot cool to see the energy isn't lost in the circuit. The air tank system I built in my head had way more frictional losses, lol.
Re: Does The Load Consume The Energy?
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On #4 @Russ

I will tell you a story,
I was there, In the beginning. I was watching this Newly formed sphere of pure resonant energy formed of inphatomable depths of vector calculations of resonant harmonics The sum of all vectors rotating in an undefined space. This newly self aware condition is The Alpha. The original full form of God. Now this wonderful sphere was rotating there in space and it wanted to expand into the vastness. It wanted to expand to find all that was the fullness of everything. As it was yet undefined. So it the Alpha, had to produce an external entity to it's self to gain some form of scope. For how can you define everything if you do not know it's extent? You need some external reference point right? So the Alpha had to create something external to it's self. This was a great perplexity. For if you are the great and powerful fullness of everything how then can you expend energy to create an external reference point without introducing entropy into the system and losing of energy? But how can it be the all of everything and have an external reference?  What if by expending the energy you destroy yourself and are lost into the cold empty depths of the void? This was all a very emotional experience for me. It was in fact purely emotional because physical matter did not yet exist. So anyway in some way, to which still the answer is not known to me as the observer. This lump kind of forms on the surface I think it was a spiral first in the boundary condition. It swells and comes spinning off into a perfect orbit. Not too near, not too far, perfect on the first try. But it happened without any entropy. The power not only stayed the same but it increased.It now was the fullness of all and the reference point.  So then there was a observation period for a few moments and then another object was formed and another and they being external yet joined , they became physical matter.. The process started expanding exponentially in every direction and after the first hundred or so galaxies formed I just couldn't even keep up anymore.
  So this is the experience when I suddenly became a believer in God. I had seen the creation and everything in it and I had seen the formation of the Creator. So my understanding was increased.
 
 So I am telling you all of that because that moment. The moment that external entity was formed without entropy. That is how matter and energy came into being. The source of all creation. The energy was not lost into the system because of the way it slipped free. The rotation and the separation imparted it's own energy into both systems simultaneously. 

 This is represented in a part of Randy Powell's promo video. There is a scene where a green vortex spirals off the dimpled surface of a golf ball. I believe this is the same principle at work. Solving that is the secret of free energy.

 So the point is I have been wracking my brain on that concept for the last couple of months. How did the external energy form without entropy? It is the key to all creation. It is how the sunflower grows. It is the sacred geometry.

So yeah, That's kind of wordy and I don't often out myself for that Experience. I hope it makes some kind of sense and brings to light a new point of reference for those that read it. The truth is God is the source of all power and Kabbalah says that the most sincere form of adoration is emulation. These are biblical principles.

 So yeah Man, It's in the bible and it is where the 'Free Energy' comes from.

sonnet

Re: Does The Load Consume The Energy?
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Quote from jbignes5 on October 5th, 2017, 06:20 AM
Just to throw this out there. Look at the example here of what they knew back then.
 Can you see the bifilar method used to keep the internal circuit away from the others?

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4NDVkjT9mg

 This was a secret for a very long time. Go figure...
Yes sir this vid does hold a secret we can use but it is more to do with bucking coils than bi-filar for experiements I am trying to get to. It is about holding the magnetism and also negating it in our cores. It something I want to share at a latter stage and not distract from the information Russ has to get out here. It will involve the use of Ed Leedskalinn's PMH and that has its role to play with a path we can take using this circuit. And what Ed used in his wheel. I shared it many years ago with a man named Anguswangus on youtube but he couldn't see the use of high voltage, high potential in Eds circuit and shot me down. but the more Ive learnt the more I'm sure i could be right.
But for now ...on topic..Russ is getting this out there....but I have to say again current is not want we want....difference in potential is the key...regards

~Russ

Re: Does The Load Consume The Energy?
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It's all about Potental. (Pure voltage)  Current is the depletion of our potental. And it's possibal to let the system genarate it's own potential. (Excitation)  (voltage)  however we NEED current. Just just have it use it for it's "mass".

Angus is a good man. He was not ready yet if he shot you down. Don't be up set with him. Sounds like he just wasnt ready. Or he viewed it differently but end the end. He found what he was looking for. (And that is to get more in "the book". It is the ultament answer.)

Any hoo. Hold that thought you want to share see if I get to it with you you expressing it. ;)   

Or. You can post it. Your call. ;)

Much love all.

~Russ

Re: Does The Load Consume The Energy?
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Ragnor. Greate post. Really good stuff thanks for posting that. Quite Intresting to see your view point.

~Russ

onepower

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Ragnor
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So I am telling you all of that because that moment. The moment that external entity was formed without entropy. That is how matter and energy came into being. The source of all creation. The energy was not lost into the system because of the way it slipped free. The rotation and the separation imparted it's own energy into both systems simultaneously.
I would not call it miraculous and the average tree in your yard does what you describe every day. You plant a seed and it accumulates water and nutrients and energy from it's surroundings and it grows larger accumulating more energy. Which begs the question... where is the entropy in our tree if it is always accumulating energy so long as it lives?. It's important to understand what appears as miraculous to you may be quite normal to others and perspective is required. Otherwise we may be left thinking we and our thoughts are the center of the universe and we know this is not true.

Think about it... if entropy supposedly reigns and everything is always moving away from us then are we not the center of the universe not unlike what many believed in the dark ages?. Thus we must be careful that our beliefs do not taint the reality of what we think we are seeing. In my opinion Entropy must balance with Syntropy, dissipation with accumulation as we see in nature. I do not see it as miraculous in any sense of the word but quite natural appearing everywhere in nature if we bothered to look.

Personally I have found value in making an effort to remove myself and my beliefs from the equation when making observations and rationalizations. To try to see the big picture from a third person perspective without bias one way or another. As if to say if you were in outer space looking down on all of us what would you think of us, what we do and our beliefs?.

sonnet

Re: Does The Load Consume The Energy?
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Quote from ~Russ on October 6th, 2017, 07:13 AM
Angus is a good man. He was not ready yet if he shot you down. Don't be up set with him. Sounds like he just wasnt ready. Or he viewed it differently but end the end. He found what he was looking for. (And that is to get more in "the book". It is the ultament answer.)
~Russ
Russ, Angus was a true inspiration to me, more than he could know and in many ways a mentor with his youtube vids. I say "he shot me down" in so much as 'he wasn't having any of it.' but he's a good man yes.
Onepower / Ragnor
I belief the answer to our problems are quite simple yet for most people they look too deeply at them...the universe started out very basic and simple and entropy has made it look complex. but what we desire to do with our circuit is using simple processes to achieve what looks very complex.
I look at the universe and see three fundermental processes. firstly spin, 1) everything is spinning. 2) dieletric energy or charge moving to create potential differences, the force from the movement between the potential acts as a gyroscopic force on mass 3) magnetism the effect created by mass aligning its atomic stucture creating dielectric energy at the Bloch wall. The spin from the gyroscopic action in the magnet is realative to how its observered. So I dont see a push or a pull in a magnet only a spin relative to the way the magnet is viewed. put two objects spinning together the same way they tether and slow each other down this is what most call the atraction. two opposite spins and they bump apart, the repel.
Some might say where's nuclear but I see this as a product of entropy. The breaking down or division of mass. your tree analogy has entropy in so much as the cells of the tree divide then die. the tree has to divide its cells to grow, this cannot be reversed therefore it has entropy. The nuclear fusion on the atoms make them divide to form new cells (molecules)(as a analogy only) but they must divide or breakdown again i.e. die.
Regards all

purely my take and belief.


~Russ

Re: Does The Load Consume The Energy?
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well this is interesting. slightly off track. but thats ok. just looking around...

I haven't gotten through it but it makes scene to me according to " the load dose not consume the energy"

i think its just a theory though. but hey... so is what I'm working at the moment lol

there are a lot more information on this if you look for

non local heating theory

~Russ


Matt Watts

Re: Does The Load Consume The Energy?
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A small step in the right direction, but the results are...     Odd, to say the least.

So using the primary of a microwave oven transformer as my inductor and two 50uF 900 volt poly caps, I'm able to get a partial transfer beyond simple equalization.  Started with 280 volts and transferred all but 30 volts.

Yellow scope trace is showing volt rise on the empty cap; purple trace is the current passing through the blocking diode.  Notice how smooth the voltage ramp up is, but the current is clearly fighting something--it's all over the map.  My guess is because the caps and inductor are not matched, causing impedance problems in the transfer--think "friction" here.

When I place a load (filament bulb) in between, the transfer is less complete, so the impedance mismatch becomes worse.  Interestingly though, the current waveform is still all over the map and the voltage waveform nice-n-smooth.  Not at all what I expected to see.

The thing most notable in the current trace is how it appears the inductor sucks the cap dry way too quickly.  Notice how it levels off half way through the voltage climb, then starts again.  If one can properly interpret this trace, then knowing what to change and possibly by how much, should be easy.