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Watching the news about hurricane Harvey and the massive flooding in Texas.

What struck me as odd is how people always react when Nature comes into full force. Many supposedly strong and independent people who always believed they had everything under control found themselves helpless sitting on their roof in the rain for days. Many believed wealth or affiliations or beliefs or government might protect them from nature however nature does what it wants when it wants and is unaffected by opinions and beliefs.

This also highlights the false belief so many people have that they are somehow independent. However when they have no power, no water, no heat, no light, no transportation, no means to leave, no help from government and are sitting on their roof in the rain for days one can hardly claim to be independent. In fact they were always completely dependent on almost everyone else for almost everything and the flood only highlights this fact.

My point is the observation that one month ago any one of these people would probably tell you they are strong, independent, prepared and have everything under control however this was never true in any sense of the word. If it were true they wouldn't be completely helpless the moment something unexpected occurs. What I find troubling is that many never learn from these events and the next time one occurs they will most likely find themselves in the same predicament... helpless.

I think these events highlight the importance of real independence and not this imaginary or pseudo-independence so many seem to believe in these days. Energy independence such as free energy or alternative energy sources for light and heat, an independent source of transportation not reliant on fossil fuels such as an electric car or truck charged by an alternative energy source. An automated indoor vertical greenhouse so we can grow our own food or micro-aquaponics.

 The point to remember is that true independence is never just given to anyone it is always taken as an action on our part. Open source energy is the way of the future in my opinion.

Lynx

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What's needed is that one thing that which renders fossile fuels a thing of the past, that which basically anyone can build using not-too-hard-to-find parts and doesn't call for advanced egineering skills to assemble/put together and to make it work/run the way it's supposed to.

That + getting it spread to the point of it becoming as commonly known as the wheel, something that which even children would know how to put together and to get running the way it's supposed to, that would really be a game changer of all times.

I'm also ever optimistic in that I'll actually get to live to see that beautiful day come, after that I'll make it my duty to see it getting spread like wildfire, beyond control.

Here's hoping.

Matt Watts

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What is it going to take to get nature to yield to us its incredible force and power?

You know as well as I do that I have put a lot of time in trying to find or build that one thing.  It seems so elusive.

There are a handful of individuals on this planet that seem to have found a way to overcome the limitations that stricken the rest of us from having true fuel-less generators.  At least two of these individuals are actually members of this forum.  I find it very disconcerting their ability seems locked within them and unable to be replicated or even validated by others.  It's almost as though there is an external influence that actually powers their devices.   Is it possible they have been targeted to receive this gift OR tricked into believing they have something that in any other's hands would not work as it appears to do?  Are we all just being toyed with?

Many times I feel as though I'm only a pawn on some massive chessboard, limited to what I'm able to learn and to share.  I sometimes wonder if I were to get lucky and build a true self runner, would I be able to help anyone else replicate my work?  Could I even replicate it myself?  If I gave this device to someone else, would it still function the same in another's hands?  I guess I shouldn't be too concerned about these questions since I haven't progressed to that point.  Just be sure of one thing Lynx, if I get there, I want you with me.

Lynx

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It's a really good feeling to see that the concept of open source, the unselfishness regarding the will to share one's findings once that lucky day comes, seems to permeate not only through us die hard forum veterans, but also through many of the new members who openly shares ideas, theories, discoveries, ask questions, etc etc.

onepower

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One little snag is that legally once this process is disclosed to the public it must be classified as a "discovery" and a discovery cannot be patented. In which case the inventor will have no protection or exclusive claim to any use of the discovery. They may patent a device which uses the discovery however everyone else may as well. This may be why not one of the thousands of patents I have seen have ever disclosed the working principal which falls within the realm of trade secrets.

So the inventor should be aware that once disclosed they lose all exclusive rights to use and like many inventors in the past may never see a dime for all their hard work. On a note of interest I have seen many people talk of giving and sharing and I agree. I have also seen many people who spoke of giving and sharing then finally make progress with the help of others and then filed patents then they fell off the face of the Earth for unknown reasons.

The lesson here is that it is easy to speak of sharing when we have little of real value on the table however when were staring down a multi-billion dollar technology sitting on our bench I would imagine things change. For example there are a large number of studies which show when let's say a $100 bill is left on the ground less than 10% of people make any effort to find the real owner... why is this so?. Studies also prove categorically that integrity is relative to wealth and wealthy people are magnitudes more likely to be involved in questionable if not illegal activity. We see this every day and if someone is speeding on the highway there is a 90% chance that vehicle is much more expensive than most others. This explains why many inventors make it through the technology and patent stage however once they seek wealthy investors the whole situation unravels. The facts show most wealthy people simply cannot be trusted to do the right thing by the numbers but we already knew that. So in a sense it would seem we are damned if we do and damned if we don't.

I'm not saying anyone should do anything I'm just pointing out the facts and difficulties of this matter and things we should be aware of. I am all for getting this technology out and sharing however I have yet to see a comprehensive or workable plan where the inventor does not end up destitute and the technology does not get buried. There must be a valid reason why this technology has never gone mainstream... what is that reason?. Does anyone have a plan?.

Lynx

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I'd say the main reason to why nothing worthwhile has hit mainstream media/general public, yet, spells money, a desire to get rich, a will to be able to make a living on this, your sensational discovery.

Matt Watts

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And the truly funny part about all this is greed of money, with money being nothing more than digits in a computer, completely worthless having no intrinsic value whatsoever.  Why anyone would trade their "great idea" for absolute nothingness and a loss of freedom is beyond my ability to comprehend.  People that would sell (or eat) the goose that lays the golden eggs are in my book well past lost souls, unredeemable.  Money isn't what makes the world go around, stupidity is, a sucker is born every day.

onepower

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Record droughts, record rainfall and floods, record temperatures, they haven't even begun to clean up after hurricane Harvey and the category 4 hurricane Irma is set to hit Florida. Damn those Chinese are sure good hoaxer's.
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Just read that Irma is now a category 5 hurricane and sometimes it gets boring being right all the time. My expectation is that it may hit the mid 5 range on landfall and Harvey was just a primer. It's all about Energy and the Sun radiates more Energy in one second than all of mankind has generated in it's entire existence. No matter, nature does not care what people believe or whether they understand anything or not, it is what it is and it's show time.


Matt Watts


onepower

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Hurricane Irma is now the most powerful Atlantic Ocean hurricane in recorded history and other records continue to be broken world wide. However there is another aspect to Irma seldom considered.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/sep/06/plastic-fibres-found-tap-water-around-world-study-reveals
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Tests show billions of people globally are drinking water contaminated by plastic particles, with 83% of samples found to be polluted
It just keeps getting better and better...
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I thought this was interesting...http://wqad.com/2017/09/05/the-amount-of-energy-produced-by-a-hurricane-is-almost-unbelievable/
According to research by NOAA’s Hurricane Research Division at the Atlantic Oceanographic and Meteorological Laboratory, there are two ways to understand a hurricane’s power. Keep in mind, the calculations below are for an average sized hurricane (which Irma is not).
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1. The total energy released through cloud/rain formation. In an average hurricane, this is equivalent to 200 times the world-wide electrical generating capacity.
2. Total kinetic energy (wind energy) generated. This is equivalent to about half the world-wide electrical generating capacity.
The part most people have trouble with relates to Energy and many falsely believe a temperature rise of only 1 degree C means nothing. However the Specific Heat of Water is 4.18 KJ/Kg/ per degree temperature change or 15.4 KJ/gallon/ per degree temperature change. Now take a billion or so gallons of water liberating all that stored energy from only a 1 degree change in temperature in a short time frame and we get a very large number. In fact only a 1 degree change in temperature spread over an entire ocean makes man's world-wide electrical generating capacity look absurd. As we are now seeing 1 degree may determine if everything you know is destroyed or not and 1 degree may determine whether you live or die.

Matt Watts

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Quote from onepower on September 6th, 2017, 07:37 AM
It just keeps getting better and better...
Maybe the goddess of war hurricane will take out a dozen or so nuclear power plants.  That should do the trick.

onepower

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I see hurricane Irma dropped to cat 4 however hurricane Jose is right behind Irma and was also bumped to a cat 4 hurricane. In other news Montana is breaking all kinds of records for drought and above it British Columbia is seeing record drought and forest fires.

What I found odd is that many are without power which means they are without light and HVAC and water however many people consider this normal. It is just normal that they are all completely dependent on others to provide essential services and are completely helpless when these services fail. One would think it would be a matter of national security that everyone be independent and actually have some real security. The fact remains that all those supposedly strong and brave and independent people turn out to be about as helpless as a six year old child the moment they lose power. These natural disasters simply highlight this fact that they never really had any real security or independance... it is an illusion.

Matt Watts

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That has always been the primary purpose of Agenda 21--make us all interdependent, like dominoes, so when one piece falls, we all fall.  Our own weight, size and mass is being used against us.  But as George Carlin said, "Nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care..."

Alan Watt spoke about all this ten years ago and he's been pretty much spot-on.  The reason why?  He read their books, hidden in plain sight.

thx1138v2

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A friend of mine worked in Russia for  while helping them set up communications systems in their oil fields. He was there when the tanks were rolling down the streets of Moscow. His interpreter came by his apartment to say, You don't go outside today.

Communist joke: Two communists are walking down the street and one says to the other, Comrade, if you had two house you would give one, correct? Sure, sure - no problem says the other. And if you had two cars you would give me one, correct? Sure, that would be fine. And if you had two chickens you would give me one, correct? HELL, NO says the other communist. What? You'd give me a house, you'd give me a car, but you won't give me a chicken? Well, I've GOT two chickens!

It's human nature.

One thing to always keep in mind: 2/3 of the planet it covered with water and mankind is totally dependent on six inches of soil on a small portion of the remainder.
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Quote from Matt Watts on September 8th, 2017, 10:08 AM
That has always been the primary purpose of Agenda 21--make us all interdependent, like dominoes, so when one piece falls, we all fall.  Our own weight, size and mass is being used against us.  But as George Carlin said, "Nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care..."

Alan Watt spoke about all this ten years ago and he's been pretty much spot-on.  The reason why?  He read their books, hidden in plain sight.
The ultimate goal of Agenda 21 is to abolish private property rights. The scary thing about Agenda 21 is they are established all over the world down to the county and city level. When you hear anyone talking about "sustainable development" that's an Agenda 21 advocate. From their perspective, the state should own all property because individuals can't be trusted with these valuable resources.

Like Marxism, "sustainable development" sounds good until you ask, Who decides? From each according to their abilities. To each according the their needs. What could be more fair than that? Who decides what abilities an individual is allowed to develop? Who decides what an individual's needs are? In their system, it's the bureaucracy that decides because the individuals can't be trusted to make the right decisions. They get the individuals to buy into that by saying, "It's very complicated." no matter what the topic is, e.g. it's too complicated for you to figure out.  And the welfare system has now raised multiple generations of people who don't want to make their own decisions. They want everything to be decided for them. That also enables them to avoid any responsibility for their choices.

If you see anyone pushing "sustainable development" in your local government, get rid of them as fast as possible. One of the problems, however, is that they are usually not elected but are "advisers" to the elected officials.

For a view of how that works out, do a bit of research on Joseph Stalin vs Ukraine. He essentially starved them into submission by denying them food, even from their own crops.

onepower

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When you hear anyone talking about "sustainable development" that's an Agenda 21 advocate. From their perspective, the state should own all property because individuals can't be trusted with these valuable resources.
I talk about sustainable development all the time and I am not for Agenda 21 nor am I a Marxist which is absurd. What I am is a responsible adult who is intelligent enough to understand that if something is not sustainable it will eventually fail or lead to it's own destruction.

Unsustainable: not able to be maintained at the current rate or level, upsetting the ecological balance by depleting natural resources, not able to be upheld or defended.

In fact I would go further and say it is those against sustainable development that are truly socialist/communists because they refuse to accept responsibility for their own individual actions such as polluting then place the burden of their irresponsibility on society as a whole. The proof is in the fact that most communist countries such as China and Russia are generally always the most polluted and least sustainable countries because commies do not believe in sustainable development.

We should also note that most all capitalist countries promote sustainable development, pollution reduction and holding individuals who do harm legally responsible for their actions. While commies would seem to promote unsustainable development in the name of the state and profit at the expense of everyone else where nobody is held responsible.

The fact remains that unsustainable development is unsustainable and will eventually deplete all our resources, kill billions of people as all our ecosystems systematically collapse due to pollution taking billions of jobs with it creating the ultimate welfare state. Thus in effect you are promoting socialism/communism and the welfare state.

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Watched an interesting program called "An ocean mystery/missing catch" tonight.
It describes the most comprehensive fisheries study in the history of mankind and the results are staggering.  Over 90% of all the fish in the oceans are simply gone, 85% of fisheries have reached max limit or collapsed and within 30 years virtually all fisheries will be in a state of collapse. Why you may ask?, because the real numbers tell us we are catching 50% more fish than is sustainable.

However we already know this and only a fool would think we can just keep consuming everything in sight in an unsustainable manner. Which begs the question... what do we do?, we have the data and we know the real facts and the results of our actions so now what?. There is only one solution and we need to stop eating so much fish and I stopped quite a while ago. I love seafood and fish and I could eat it all day however again what do we do?. Do we act like children and pretend the problem doesn't exist or do we put on our grown up pants and act responsibly and sustainably?.


Matt Watts

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So lets suppose you put your parachute on and take a plane ride.  The plane gets over the drop zone and the instructor says it's time to check equipment and get ready to jump.  You walk to the door, give the instructor a thumbs up and step out.  Falling like a rock you discover your chute won't open.  What to do....?

Don't worry about it, you have the whole rest of your life to figure it out.   :-D

Gunther Rattay

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Homo stupidus egoisticus live  at IT's finest (not extinct yet, takes a while  ...)

onepower

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I was reading an interesting article on DNA evidence relating to mankind this morning and I have to wonder how we all got so messed up in the head. The evidence tells us we are all immigrants to North America and we all came from a small group of people which crossed the land bridge from Africa some 70,000 years ago. There were no white people or black people, no Islam, no Christianity, no gods because they were not even invented yet. Apparently I a white blue eyed male came about through a genetic DNA mutation some 20,000 years ago somewhere in Europe. Before this mutation everyone on the planet looked somewhat like the Aztecs or Mexicans... go figure. It makes racism and all this judgement we seem to have look kind of petty and superficial when we think about it because we are all immigrants in some way and all related in some way. In fact there is a great deal of evidence to suggest with increased mobility and inter-racial relationships within 1000 years we may all look like Mexicans once again and there will be no white or black people in existence. Can you imagine that?,  at which point our ancestors will probably be laughing about how foolish everyone was back then which is now.

I just find it amazing how so many have managed to erase our actual history dating back over 70,000 years ago and replaced it with a complete fabrication bearing no resemblance to the actual facts. Which comes full circle back to my question... how did we get so messed up in the head and why are so many people in denial about our real history relating to real facts and not hearsay?. i just don't get it or what most people could possibly be thinking.



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Another interesting article which popped up in the mainstream news but barely made a ripple...http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/16/politics/pentagon-ufo-project/index.html

So the U.S. government was lying to everyone yet again *surprise* and they have always had a UFO program.

Matt Watts

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Yeah.  And if they will tell one lie, how many others have they told none of us know about?

Anyway, it's good the disclosure project is putting enough heat on the government "servants" to get them to fess up from time to time.

onepower

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Strange how many seem preoccupied with an abnormal cold front while California continues to burn. However with "Climate Change" and not so much the weather this is what we can expect in the future. The reason is very simple and even a fool should be able to understand it. As the Earth begins to overheat due to climate change we can expect more severe weather patterns because the Earth is a giant heat engine. All that heat has to go "somewhere" and nature always tries to balance the equation. Thus with more energy in the system we can expect much more extreme heat in the summer as well as more extreme cold in the winter.

The key world is "Climate" not weather and I suspect the climate change deniers are going to be in for a very rude awakening when these extreme weather events show up on their doorstep in the future. So when a climate change denier tells me nothing is wrong I simply say... just wait because this is just the beginning and it's going to get much worse and then we will see how smart you think you are. However the problem is most of the climate change deniers are baby boomers and they will be dead soon enough and won't have to deal with the aftermath of their stupid decisions. A little gift for future generations as they leave this place and take the elevator down to their resting place... classic.

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts", D Moynihan