combined resonance, current+voltage

evostars

combined resonance, current+voltage
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A Joule thief circuit creates short pulses, that opens and closes a transistor very fast.

The joule thief can be tuned to a frequency of lets say 50khz.

Normally the joule thief is fed by a DC current.

But what if we feed it with pulsed dc, also at 50Khz. And at the same time use this same pulsed dc to create back emf via coil L1

This back emf is stored into a capacitor, that is discharged via a second coil by a joulethief pulse at the of the next DC current pulse.




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Re: combined resonance, current+voltage
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maybe a diode between L2 and the collector of t2 is needed, because C1 is negative charged from the back emf, relative to earth ground.
Re: combined resonance, current+voltage
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Oh man this negative positive relation to neutral ground messes me up.

Matt Watts

Re: combined resonance, current+voltage
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One thing for sure, you don't want the back EMF passing through the power source.  You must collect it directly from the inductor.

evostars

Re: combined resonance, current+voltage
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Quote from Matt Watts on August 28th, 2017, 06:18 AM
One thing for sure, you don't want the back EMF passing through the power source.  You must collect it directly from the inductor.
Yep agreed. thats what this is supposed to do. or do you see a mistake? please correct me if im wrong.

im worried about the capacitor being charged negative to ground. would T2 need to be a PNP to not conflict at the collector? since the pulse from the joulethief is positive, but the capacitor is negative?
Re: combined resonance, current+voltage
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Video description from the below Marc Belanger vid
We drive Pelex with a WASHER PUMP motor in reverse as a generator which drives a battery charger LOOPED to feed the source batteries successfully driving the circuit infinitely. Pelex is a device that time reverses an electromagnetic wave and is considered a 'phase conjugate mirror,' in the standard scientific literature. The concept is not in any way new or outlandish, but it is the key to 'free energy.' The mistake made by the academic establishment was to assume a constant increase in entropy is the inevitable result of all physical interactions. This is only true so long as time flows forward. Entropy is in fact a process governed by local time flow. Entropy increases when time flows forward, and decreases when time flows backwards. While the universe as a whole has a well documented time forwards entropy increase bias, local entropy with time flow engineering can be slowed, or reversed. If time flows backwards, then a decrease in entropy is possible, and indeed is predicted by standard equations. That is a negentropic physical interaction will take energy from a disordered state, and convert it to an ordered state, giving a net energy gain to a technological system above supply.


https://youtu.be/mB1Wtve7aug

I posted this, because he talkes about "a device that time reverse an electromagnetic wave"

that is exactly what I have been thinking about, with the phase adjustment of the resonant back emf discharge.
Its a time adjustment. When I directly inject the back emf into the current resonant coil, nothing happens, because of the time relation.
the back emf comes after the current pulse stops.
By delaying the back emf, we can allign it with the next fase. This is a "time reverse"
The trick still is to make a switch that is triggered by the square wave pulse. the joule thief circuit could be the trick, as i have posted before.

A link about phase conjugation (i havent read it yet)

http://cns-alumni.bu.edu/~slehar/PhaseConjugate/PhaseConjugate.html




Matt Watts

Re: combined resonance, current+voltage
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What he is talking about is EXACTLY what I have been stressing with the three fundamental fields:  Tempic, Dielectric & Magnetic.

You alter the tempic field and should expect changes in the dielectric and magnetic.  The tempic field is the sole reason we experience time or entropy.

Sorry people to be such a theorycrafter a.k.a. quack, but I'm becoming more certain every day W.B. Smith was spot-on with his field fabric and quadrature concept.  I guess this is where we part ways, which is fine.  I haven't the time or the patience to continue beating my head against the wall with conventional "known/proven" science.  That form of science is a dead end for what I'm looking for.

evostars

Re: combined resonance, current+voltage
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Quote from Matt Watts on August 29th, 2017, 04:39 PM
What he is talking about is EXACTLY what I have been stressing with the three fundamental fields:  Tempic, Dielectric & Magnetic.

You alter the tempic field and should expect changes in the dielectric and magnetic.  The tempic field is the sole reason we experience time or entropy.

Sorry people to be such a theorycrafter a.k.a. quack, but I'm becoming more certain every day W.B. Smith was spot-on with his field fabric and quadrature concept.  I guess this is where we part ways, which is fine.  I haven't the time or the patience to continue beating my head against the wall with conventional "known/proven" science.  That form of science is a dead end for what I'm looking for.
We are getting there Matt.
what do you think about the switching idea? discharging the cap at the start of the current pulse via a sharp short discharge (joulethief)?

The tempic field, is repateaing over and over, as the sine wave goes up and down, so a phase shift is all we need, to realign the back emf at the end of the pulse back to the start of the (next)  pulse.

Matt Watts

Re: combined resonance, current+voltage
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Just keep one simple thing in mind...

There would be no sine wave (or any other kind for that matter) if it wasn't for the tempic field.  This field is the basis for the other two.

As far as switching goes...

I think my universal switch will do the job just fine.  I just need to make some alterations that will allow for much higher voltage back EMF without arc-over.  In the final analysis, it's quite possible the universal switch circuit can be simplified.  For now, I'll stick with what works and hope I can get a little "phase conjugate" effects to manifest.

evostars

Re: combined resonance, current+voltage
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Quote from Matt Watts on August 29th, 2017, 05:02 PM
Just keep one simple thing in mind...

There would be no sine wave (or any other kind for that matter) if it wasn't for the tempic field.  This field is the basis for the other two.

As far as switching goes...

I think my universal switch will do the job just fine.  I just need to make some alterations that will allow for much higher voltage back EMF without arc-over.  In the final analysis, it's quite possible the universal switch circuit can be simplified.  For now, I'll stick with what works and hope I can get a little "phase conjugate" effects to manifest.
naturaly!work with those switches. i would if i had them!but i haven't.
so this is my smart way to try to do it. with a single pulse generator.
the duty cycle can also work the phase angle

Matt Watts

Re: combined resonance, current+voltage
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There bits-n-pieces in here that probably should be kept for posterity.
Quote from Marc Belanger
Hi Mark, I believe that tansformers of any efficiency have to be very close to resonance if they do not already resonate, especially if we wish to draw in energy from another place wirelessly. The system I built utilizes transformer coils matched with capacitors to resonate at the Schumann Resonant frequency of 7.8 hz.  I got the idea of how I would do this from Stanley Meyer's VIC coil, however, it didn't work until I built the core myself which caused an overunity just like Gerard Morin's transformer phenomenon. When I scoped the coil with my variable air capacitor and found resonance, I read the capacitance and found what I have aimed for from a frequency chart around 8 hz. When I adjusted this and soldered the cap onto the coil, I was receiving a signal at 7.8 hz and the coil was automatically outputting several volts of power without any input.. I was just using the transformer as a receiver of this energy and by applying a signal to the other coil, I was receiving additional energy that I didn't expect. With the correct input, there isn't any issues at all with obtaining resonance without adding outside components such as capacitors,  however, to make this happen if they aren't in resonance already, minor adjustments of the capacitance can be made to both coils in a couple of ways, first to improve the efficiency, as well, by rebuilding the coils to make the inductor have more capacitance in combination by winding a secondary with a thin aluminum plate or foil, and, building the windings over an oil impregnated paper dielectric with the primary wound over the top of the secondary using a very fine, extremely conductive wire, this can be accomplished fairly easily, if the correct frequencies are obtained purposely. Accidentally, it isn't very common for any resonance to happen, however, with transformers of super quality, the resonant frequency is the optimum frequency to reach, beyond this, the device will saturate and cause massive losses. To obtain overunity, the core has to be very specific, either cut to eliminate the Lenz effect which is the unwanted flux path that creates the CEMF to cause the load to be forced back to the input/source like any ordinary transformer works. I completely eliminate the source load and transfer it by creating  magnetic manipulation similar to Tom Bearden's MEG operation to initiate an incoming stream of energy that is channeled in using a sharp pulse/spike containing a  high voltage pulsed square wave with a very noticeable sharp spike of 50-125 volts at the leading edge of the squarewave that's produced by the permanent magnet rotor. This works kind of like a switch to turn on a stream or channel of energy from the atmosphere, allowing it to become attracted to the device's magnetic field by the oscillating pulses by attracting or manifesting a very unique phenomenon. This creates a "Flip Flop" of scalar energy forced from the forward and reversed flux surrounding the dual core that attracts the energy from one core while the other is merely pulsing a magnetic radiation that allows the energy to be channelled from an aetheric source during the change in wave from + to -  , and, the funny part is that it can only happen while the load is connected to the device.  This incoming energy is forced to the secondary by induction, however, the primary coil's pulses create the field that this energy is attracted to, however, it can't induce to it since it is already powered up and it's field aligns and synchronizes the flux of the secondary, allowing the scalar waves to be induced like magic. The device sees an AC waveform on it's output under load, and, while one polarity of pulse happens, one core releases the field attracting the source energy while the primary coil induces the aetheric electricity which causes the secondary core to release atmospheric electricity as cold electricity to the load while the other pulse happens of the opposite polarity , then the opposing core attracts this stream of energy while the the other core causes the field to be induced and transformed to usable electricity of the opposite polarity. (to make it easier to imagine, one coil  pulses and the core's field attracts the stream of energy while the other one induces to give one half of the output wave, then, the opposite happens and the other core attracts while the other side induces the opposite wave.) In other words, we have 3 coils. The first coil is the primary or "pulse" coil as Stan Meyer used to give to the core in his VIC system. The pulse creates a magnetic field of opposing polarity, causing an attraction from the aether to one core and it's field as the other core's field allows this energy channeled in from the aether to be induced into the primary which is connected to it's output. Since the cores are separated, the input coil is a series/closed or shorted coil that receives this pulse of energy  from the generator without being able to transform from one side of the transformer to the other since it is a shorted coil that's wound around both of the cores, making the flux shift directions during the shift in polarity as the magnet passes the coil in the generator for each polarity. The next two coils wound around one end of each laminated core supplies an oscillating field that turns the beam of incoming energy on, the next coil induces it and sends it to the output for use to do work. There are 3 ways I have designed this transformer to work, and, all 3 need to resonate to function as i do in the Gerard Morin Transformer experiment. I have found a way to do this much more efficiently using utility transformers as Gerard does, however, it was very difficult to do and it took time for me to back engineer this phenomenon a few years back when I saw this happen during a local power company failure when one of their customer's permanent magnet genset backfed their system since the customer left their main open while their generator was in operation, as they were illegally installed without an up to date transfer switch. Their generator fed a faulted high voltage shielded cable which was arcing and exploding over and over without killing the generator or popping it's circuit breaker. The engineer recreated the failure on paper and calculated the load to be well over 400 amps worth of energy to create such a calorie rating , by the volume of the fire and damage to the existing cables of another circuit in the manhole where it all took place. The system was feeding the secondary side of a transformer, fed the high side (primary side) by backfeed, and, since all switches in the system were shut down, nobody could figure out that the customer's generator was operating. The transformer was installed on the floor of the manhole and all of the ground cables were blown off of it from the cable fault, which caused a massive explosion at a cable splice. The instance that started the overvoltage is called Ferro Magnetic resonance, and it is known to usually happen when 2 transformers of different sizes are connected in parallel and the system is being energized one phase at a time, creating a feedback loop through the different phases, returning on another phase instead of a neutral cable. The bonds to the ground in the manhole were rotted off, and, the other places where equipment was supposed to be tied to a ground were burned off, causing the cold radiation affect and an overunity that resulted in 6.5 times the transformer's full rated output of 15 kW, feeding Since the system was a 3 phase system, the transformer only fed back to one phase, but, since the phase was tied in Delta to the transformers in the system, the systemn kept feeding this abnormal amount of energy and did not open the unit's circuit breaker. Mathematically, the engineer stated the system was producing around 400 amps, so, if we calculate the wattage times 6.5 times, we get 97,000 watts, which divided by 240 volts equals 406 amps.. very close to what the engineer rated the arcing and explosions from it's heat in an enclosed area.

evostars

Re: combined resonance, current+voltage
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schematics from marc belangers website
dezeinstein.com

look at the top one. it works with back emf.
http://www.dezeinstein.com/circuits2.html

there is also a forum but its not active.

these schematics are interesting!
Re: combined resonance, current+voltage
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i made a pulse circuit around a tip33.(no scrubber diode)
pulsed the primary L1, collected the back emf via a fast diode into a capacitor.
very easy. the cap 2.2Uf 250V mkt charged quickly to 145Vdc, while i pulsed with around 4.5V.

I also build a joulethief. I dont know if i can get it to pulse at 166khz as that is the res freq of L2

the idea still is, to use the pulsed dc feeding the coil, to feed the joulethief. and sync it. so it can discharge (part) of the cap charge into the resonant L2 coil.

the joulethief needs to be tuned to the pulsed dc, so they work in sync.

great thing, the back emf charged positive into the cap in relation to earth. this i had remembered woing in my silly mind. this makes it easier.



Matt Watts

Re: combined resonance, current+voltage
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I'm still confused why you are so stuck on "resonant frequency".  Lower the drive frequency to something like 40kHz and adjust the duty cycle until L1 starts to pull close to 0.5 amps.  This should give you a nice strong magnetic field.  Then open the switch.  You'll get a ton of back EMF that will charge even a big high voltage capacitor in a second or two.  Do this and you'll see by arranging the coil halves like a sandwich, you can now have everything you need to begin mixing the stored back EMF with the strong magnetic current.  Get it right and you should see considerable voltage and current available at L3, which you can then tune with a capacitor to sync with the drive frequency and push the power available up even more.

Remember it takes power to make power.  Consumption is the key.  Let the circuit consume (just don't blow up your parts).

evostars

Re: combined resonance, current+voltage
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well if that  works matt then build it. we have to walk our own paths. and i havent got the proper stuff to do it easy. also. im a bit of a stuborn guy that want to
 do it his own way. to find out and expierence it.

the biggest "but" , to work at 40khz, is that L3 needs to be resonant. I have never got a coil resonant that low, with a proper voltage rise.

maybe you are right matt. But i dont see you do it neither. so ill have to proceed on my own. stick to what i feel is right.

in the end it doesnt matter. as long as we share our results, and learn from our mistakes.

I do believe in working together, but im not very good at it. i like to stick to my own thoughts, and see for my self if they are wrong. thats how i learn. by experiencing. I just can follow a lead that i dont feel or understand.

my gut feeling says it needs to be simple.
and it says, the back emf can create a different kind of resonance (without a compass swing). that resonance feels like the key.

phase conjugation between the 2 (current and back emf, magnetic and dielectric) resonant sine waves.
Re: combined resonance, current+voltage
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i do agree it takes power to circulate power.

but for me the back emf is only stored in the capacitor for half or 3/4 cycle.

then it is discharged into l2.

L2 is a current magnified RESONANT coil.

I have seen that if l2 is tuned properly with the right cap it gives a maximum voltage, with a maximum magnetic field, that draws a maximum current from L1. (i should make a video, but im still brewing how to present it simply).

Maybe Im looking for perfection.
maybe i should first make it work and then fine tune it.

but I like fine tuning, and i think this whole resonant system is a fine tuned thing. even don smith said this (and i dont like his twisted truths)

Re: combined resonance, current+voltage
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I want to use a single power supply.

but the joulethief ring toroid should get a smaller voltage (or maybe i should use a bigger ring toroid that doesnt saturate as quick).
so a voltage devider 8 and 2 is the ratio. (current is high so ill have to figure this out)

t1 pulses L1, and feeds the joule thief ring toroid. the diode to the collector stops the c1 high voltage.

L2 is tuned. t1 is pulsed at l2 res freq.

the joulethief should work by giving a sharp short pulse that opens and closes t2, each time t1 is pulsed.

every t1 pulse is also a t2 short pulse.

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Matt Watts

Re: combined resonance, current+voltage
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Quote from evostars on August 29th, 2017, 04:53 PM
We are getting there Matt.
Yes sir, we are.

Found another piece of the puzzle tonight....

L1, L2 & L3.   Those are six half coils, not three coils.  They are sandwiched with the two half L1's on the outside.  L2 & L3 are paired together with each set being half of L2, half of L3.  These coils paired together this way form capacitor plates with the inner most ones being the L3.

With each half of L1 being the outer most portions of the coil stack, they are synchronized together to form a strong magnet field between them, passing through the other coils.  They work in unison, not bucking style.  L1 is energized until the strong magnetic field is built up, then released.  Back EMF is collected into a large high voltage cap where it is then pulsed into the L2 coil set very close in time to the opening of switch.  You can tell where this exact time is by watching the current waveform coming out of L3.  When you do this, first shunt the back EMF off to a filament bulb so you can easily see the current spike coming out of L3.  Right at its peek current is where you dump into L2 with the high voltage pulse.  Just be aware of the polarity since L2/L3 are acting like capacitor plates, the polarity is actually reversed from what you might initially think.  It's a little confusing as Nelson stated.

Be safe and don't blow yourself up.  There's a lot of energy there.  Think before you touch anything.

evostars

Re: combined resonance, current+voltage
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matt the two L1 halves on the outside?
so l1 is 2 coils one on one side one on the other side? dielectric field going through l2 and l3?

if it works, perfect, but i thought we had 3 stacked coil as a minimum. 1 pulsed, 1 current amplified and fed with back emf and one resonant tuned?

now we split all these coils an weave yhem together?
its a good concept matt, if it works.
never saw Nelson do this, but maybe he did, it could be done by connecting the coils the right way.

for now, i want to see if i can discharge the back emf cap via the joulethief
Re: combined resonance, current+voltage
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placed a 8ohm power resistor between emitter T1 and ground.

provided the joulethief with power from the emitter of t1 (showed a sine but works)

then i tweaked the duty cycle to 74 %

now I got the collector spike on the scope of t2 and the resonant sine of L2.
looks good.

power is 6.12V @ 0.11A dc not much, but its a test. the concept seems to work so far.

the cap reads 55Vdc

next step. discharge cap via T2 into l2

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Re: combined resonance, current+voltage
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the side of L2 connected to c1 becomes ground of the other side of L2 is open

when i connect the open side of L2 to the collector of T1, (with a diode between the toroid and collector t2 to protect from high voltage of c1)

the resonant sine becomes a half rectified sine at both ends. eh... 
what is happening? am i rectifying one half of the resonant to ground by T2?

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Re: combined resonance, current+voltage
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should I place L2/C2 between emitter and ground of T2. so it has one side permanent to ground, and the emitter side pulsing it, from the collector where c1 is connected?
lets try
Re: combined resonance, current+voltage
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yes this seems to work.
a sine shows up at the emitter of T2 where the L2 also is connected. (see pic)

but.... now the base of T2 doesnt show a pulse any more but a sine wave....
so it doesnt open and close t2 very fast anymore.

the resonant sine seems to invade everything... it can be stopped by a diode. the emitter is passing the resonant sine towards the base. or... could i place another  diode and between l2 and emitter t2,


aaaaargg.

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Re: combined resonance, current+voltage
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tried it differnt.

instead of the circuit ground, i now used earth ground for L2.
so the c1 cap discharges via t2 into L2 into earth ground.

now the resonant sine is there but the frequency has shifted to 186 khz
at 95% duty cycle (to get the base of t2 spiked).

c1 has a voltage of 65 dc
power supply is 5.95V 0.36 A

sine is around 40v pp  probed at emitter T2

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Re: combined resonance, current+voltage
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I think the concept works but it all has to be tweaked.
the base isnt properly pulsed right now
photo shows pribe at base with 1v per div

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