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heatlocke

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Bob is back after being absent for a time. Suprisingly,  in his 1st presentation he speaks quit a bit about his 101 plate cell and related tech to drive it.  Many here know I am a student of Bobs and have been experimenting with this cell for years. If you watch I would like to know your thoughts.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRGxLp58ro4&feature=youtu.be

newguy

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Really glad to know Mr.Boyce is still around :) looking forward to watching the video... if it weren't for Bob I sure wouldn't have had the interest I still do today from way back in 2005.... please give him my love as well...sure miss him !   K. Satterfield .

Thanks for sharing, hope you can keep it coming !!

Matt Watts

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Quote from heatlocke on August 12th, 2017, 11:49 AM
If you watch I would like to know your thoughts.
I don't know about the whole dark energy thing Bob talks about, but I can say he revealed a golden nugget.

Your setup draws current when you pulse the windings in the toroid doesn't it?    Bet it does.  This will never work.


I can pulse a small toroid and not draw any current.  The secret is not obvious and after all this time I finally figured out why.  You have to allow the core to regauge itself and I only know one way to do that at the moment.  You need a real switch, not a diode protected MOSFET or IGBT.  This is the same problem evostars is running into with his pulser.  My Universal Switch doesn't behave the same as a typical transistor does.  When it opens, it opens.  There is no diode shunt to protect the transistor from the back EMF.  This allows the core to reguage so the next pulse doesn't require any current either.

With that big toroid core you have, I don't know if you can get it to run up to the 42kHz or not while allowing time for the core to regauge, but if you can, then the secret is in the switch.

namirha

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Quote from Matt Watts on August 13th, 2017, 01:00 AM
I don't know about the whole dark energy thing Bob talks about, but I can say he revealed a golden nugget.

Your setup draws current when you pulse the windings in the toroid doesn't it?    Bet it does.  This will never work.


I can pulse a small toroid and not draw any current.  The secret is not obvious and after all this time I finally figured out why.  You have to allow the core to regauge itself and I only know one way to do that at the moment.  You need a real switch, not a diode protected MOSFET or IGBT.  This is the same problem evostars is running into with his pulser.  My Universal Switch doesn't behave the same as a typical transistor does. When it opens, it opens.  There is no diode shunt to protect the transistor from the back EMF.  This allows the core to reguage so the next pulse doesn't require any current either.

With that big toroid core you have, I don't know if you can get it to run up to the 42kHz or not while allowing time for the core to regauge, but if you can, then the secret is in the switch.
You need a Reed Switch... :shocked:


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This is the first time that Bob Boyse gave an explanation to the point of interest ... creating needle pulses ... gathering enviromental energy that way ...
the whole DC modulation thing long time made no sense to me ... but now :)

heatlocke

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I used the Gboard he speaks of for years and can verify that 0 to 10% ontime was it. Anything above 10% and you are blowing things. I went full processor control  but have struggled to build the right drive circuit. I know Matt is on to something with his universal switch.

newguy

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Quote from Matt Watts on August 13th, 2017, 01:00 AM
I don't know about the whole dark energy thing Bob talks about, but I can say he revealed a golden nugget.

Your setup draws current when you pulse the windings in the toroid doesn't it?    Bet it does.  This will never work.


I can pulse a small toroid and not draw any current.  The secret is not obvious and after all this time I finally figured out why.  You have to allow the core to regauge itself and I only know one way to do that at the moment.  You need a real switch, not a diode protected MOSFET or IGBT.  This is the same problem evostars is running into with his pulser.  My Universal Switch doesn't behave the same as a typical transistor does.  When it opens, it opens.  There is no diode shunt to protect the transistor from the back EMF.  This allows the core to reguage so the next pulse doesn't require any current either.

With that big toroid core you have, I don't know if you can get it to run up to the 42kHz or not while allowing time for the core to regauge, but if you can, then the secret is in the switch.
I'll have to re watch again but I heard something about an air core....im not that well versed with cores and all but I do know in my testing an air core for what I'd call  " resonate signal drive " works with respect to obtaining a decent drive signal where as any other core fails me.

Gunther Rattay

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Quote from heatlocke on August 13th, 2017, 08:02 AM
I used the Gboard he speaks of for years and can verify that 0 to 10% ontime was it. Anything above 10% and you are blowing things. I went full processor control  but have struggled to build the right drive circuit. I know Matt is on to something with his universal switch.
putting things together Bob talks about germanium components (diode) needed to get the effect he was looking for ...

other interesting statements:

Catalysis process
longitudinal waves
femtosecond pulses
control over frequency, phase and pulselength
3 channels
“42.8 21,4 10.7 kHz signals in the proper format” > phases locked or not?
For fraction of water it needs 3 phases

matching transformer mass for primary and secondary in the toroid

to find the "proper format" of 3 phases you have to know them or find them out by experiment. boyce used a µP (i assume he used a pic from microchip) to have better control over the phase lock of the 3 phase signals than by using those 555s he used in the 80s.

I used a parallax propeller and windows interface in PGen 2.0 for easiest manipulation of  frequency, phase and pulselength for experimenters to mimic Bob´s PWM3H last development board.

that PWM3H board has a µC, voltage regulator, 3 driver ics and 3 germanium diodes and a capacitor ... simple straight forward design ;)

to me there seems to be no need for a bi-directional switch like Matt´s but usage of germanium diode seems to be mandatory.

using 3 phases to drive a toroid modulating dc current flow at femtosecond range means to me that you have to phase shift those 3 frequencies in a way that they add up or cut off each other by exact controlled phase shift.

Matt Watts

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Bob states in order to get these longitudinal waves, you cannot push current into the coil.  So you're free to use whatever method you prefer and here is one method that seems to fit the bill.

heatlocke

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Quote from Matt Watts on August 14th, 2017, 01:49 AM
Bob states in order to get these longitudinal waves, you cannot push current into the coil.
For those that don`t know the 101 cell and toroid circuit, The heavy secondary (which is wound first on the toroid) and wired into the neg. side of the cell carries the full current. To me this is a paradox since the coil could never regauge and the circuit could not work as originally stated. ??

Matt Watts

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However the DC bias current need not be directly coupled to the pulsing source.  A bit of an unknown to me, but it's quite possible the core will still be able to reguage itself.  All I can say is try it, first with the DC bias turned off, then turn on the DC bias and see if it stops the core from recovering, i.e. increases the current flow beyond just the DC bias portion.

For some reason the way you describe the winding of the toroid transformer seems odd to me though.  I thought the primary connects to the cell and has the DC bias source connected in series.  And the secondary has nothing but the pulsing drivers connected...?  Am I wrong?

heatlocke

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You got it right. The secondary (he calls it is) wound on the core first. Then, 3 primaries, each spaced 120 degrees on top.

Matt Watts

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I guess that's why some guys refer to transformers as simply reactors.  There's no getting confused about primary, secondary.

newguy

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Quote from heatlocke on August 15th, 2017, 10:36 AM
You got it right. The secondary (he calls it is) wound on the core first. Then, 3 primaries, each spaced 120 degrees on top.
was there ever any change to the pulse waveform or any ease in tunning the pulses?
rev. c was the last board I had , it was difficult at that time to keep those tiny duty cycles in tune.
Its seems like Bob mentioned single phase air core in that update.

heatlocke

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I have said many times in the past that when the specs in the D9 document are followed exactly that the torroid /Gboard setup preforms exactly as Bob says. Can`t speak about the rev. c as I never had one. The gboard was very easy to tune and did an excellent job of coupling the pulses to the power supply of the cell. The PGen2 I`m using now takes it up a couple of notches with phase shift and phase lock loop function and works excellent with the torroid. However any REAL results have eluded me.   

Gunther Rattay

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Heatlocke,

did you try to use PGen 2 phase lock between all three channels and adjust frequencies a little bit aside the frequencies 42.8 21.4 10.7 khz (42.79, 21.39, 10.69kHz  or similar)?

if you do so all 3 frequencies will float a tiny little bit towards each other and you get a controlled "sweep"  towards the other frequencies so that there will be add ups and cancels all the time.

that way you can analyze if the system shows any peaks and unexpected reactions.

newguy

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Quote from heatlocke on August 16th, 2017, 08:33 AM
I have said many times in the past that when the specs in the D9 document are followed exactly that the torroid /Gboard setup preforms exactly as Bob says. Can`t speak about the rev. c as I never had one. The gboard was very easy to tune and did an excellent job of coupling the pulses to the power supply of the cell. The PGen2 I`m using now takes it up a couple of notches with phase shift and phase lock loop function and works excellent with the torroid. However any REAL results have eluded me.
I have to assume you know it tunes akin to a " form of amplitude modulation"  but what really tricked my mind out was when Bob once said a camera will see more than the naked eye soo I tuned the circuit and snapped a lot of pictures of the scope screen until finally one showed something different....the 3 pulses were riding on top of a self formed square wave that reminded me much of Puharich's feedback drive signal...for me it was hard to keep that modulation.
I really like what he said about using it to charge batteries but I think Ronny Bar Gadda has the grail with his Eret thing.
The only thing I can really contribute is my TSG circuit.
The second going negative slope is variable.
I don't know if anybody will ever finds it useful tho.

Gunther Rattay

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Quote from newguy on August 17th, 2017, 03:01 AM
The only thing I can really contribute is my TSG circuit.
what is TSG circuit?

newguy

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Quote from Gunther Rattay on August 17th, 2017, 04:18 AM
what is TSG circuit?
Triple Slope Generator

heatlocke

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I won`t bore anyone with details but 8 years I been testing this complete Boyce setup with 4 cyl.genset coupled up to it. I`ved worked exclusively with these 3 freqs. with a variety of hardware and software and drive circuits. I have blown or burned everything to the ground several times. I have seen my share of spikes and more importantly voltage rises on the meters I can`t explain and have many blown to prove it. I find myself in an odd position being the skeptic on this one. Just never seen any increase in gas production or potency  or usable power yet.

newguy

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Quote from heatlocke on August 17th, 2017, 12:02 PM
I won`t bore anyone with details but 8 years I been testing this complete Boyce setup with 4 cyl.genset coupled up to it. I`ved worked exclusively with these 3 freqs. with a variety of hardware and software and drive circuits. I have blown or burned everything to the ground several times. I have seen my share of spikes and more importantly voltage rises on the meters I can`t explain and have many blown to prove it. I find myself in an odd position being the skeptic on this one. Just never seen any increase in gas production or potency  or usable power yet.
I don't think its boring heatlocke, do you mind to share any scope shots of your tuned circuit( just the gboard)?
I would as you ,would like to see more thoughts about what Bob said....one particular thing for me would be Bobs method of keeping the gas separated from recombinding .I want to think its a specific voltage or charge separation.
I would bet he has added titanium to the catalyst mix.He seems to have adopted some of "Smacks" ideas , all I remember from Smack was his step gap flooded cell and the use of titanium.
I uploaded a doc file of my tsg circuit but it appears no one is interested in it

heatlocke

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Quote from newguy on August 20th, 2017, 07:57 PM
I don't think its boring heatlocke, do you mind to share any scope shots of your tuned circuit( just the gboard)?
Always happy to see interest in Boyce and talk about. At this point the Gboard might be history. Last time I used it I blew a fet anyway. I can promise you the only difference is turning screws as opposed to using your mouse and a whole lot more features. And besides I`m already hooked up and I use the same fets. There is already a lot posted on an old thread on this site. Also I made a bunch of short clips for Matt when we used the "SuperPulseGen" (or Arduino ?) and he may still have them on his site.  Are you familiar with the Boyce circuit ? If not I have a simple walkthrough vid. I would have to dig a little for it.  We will talk specifics and I will take some new vid.
Quote from newguy on August 20th, 2017, 07:57 PM
....one particular thing for me would be Bobs method of keeping the gas separated from recombining .
My thoughts too as I`m sure it a major problem for me since I have an overflow talk, valves an a fair amount of tubing. I`ve tried to solve it in several ways from red LEDs to some "Joe cell" tech that resulted in a minor explosion. Still haven`t built everything back from that one yet.
Quote from newguy on August 20th, 2017, 07:57 PM
He seems to have adopted some of "Smacks" ideas ,
If I know Bob he might take offence to that comment

newguy

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Quote from heatlocke on August 21st, 2017, 01:04 PM
Always happy to see interest in Boyce and talk about. At this point the Gboard might be history. Last time I used it I blew a fet anyway. I can promise you the only difference is turning screws as opposed to using your mouse and a whole lot more features. And besides I`m already hooked up and I use the same fets. There is already a lot posted on an old thread on this site. Also I made a bunch of short clips for Matt when we used the "SuperPulseGen" (or Arduino ?) and he may still have them on his site.  Are you familiar with the Boyce circuit ? If not I have a simple walkthrough vid. I would have to dig a little for it.  We will talk specifics and I will take some new vid.

 

 My thoughts too as I`m sure it a major problem for me since I have an overflow talk, valves an a fair amount of tubing. I`ve tried to solve it in several ways from red LEDs to some "Joe cell" tech that resulted in a minor explosion. Still haven`t built everything back from that one yet.

 
If I know Bob he might take offence to that comment
yea im a little familiar with his circuit....he helped me for a year in 05-06??  I haven't seen anyone ever post a picture of the tuned waveform is what Im asking for.
I haven't seen Mr.Watts site....I think he is great tho... a major reason I visit here.
I wouldn't think Bob would be offended with the Smack thing unless they had a falling out of sorts and if so I can understand...the water smacker applies room to ponder one way or the other I suppose.
I myself am usually a summer time reader,winter time builder as is all my stuff is put up at the moment.
Id like to see a picture or 2 of the tuned waveforms before the toroid if you know where any are....I think thatd be cool.
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Hey Heatlocke, I finally got to watch some more of Bobs Tesla Tech videos and I can understand now why he probably would have been offended with the smack comment.He never mentioned to me before about the catalysis.
Its interesting to me the last conversation we had was I said 'cool ,lets make some matter now" and he said " no' and that was in 2007 I think after a night of discussing an expeiriment on yahoo with an oscilloscope, was the last I got to conversate with him.
I hope he's doing good and all is well...Im finding myself still way behind Mr.Boyce but in his realm(past) of things, somewhat :)
Hope you are doing good as well .
Give Bob my blessings and tell him Satterfield said howdy :)