#### evostars

##### vortex rings properties
«  »
a vortex ring can tranfer power.
but what defines its power?

we have the diameter and the rotational speed.

could it be that with longitudinal electric vortex rings,
the diameter translates to the voltage,
and the rotational speed translates to the amperage?

#### chuff1

##### Re: vortex rings properties
« Reply #1,  »
A vortex ring of ionized particles is feasible and has been created recently, Here is a patent for such
a device.

If the magnetic field is the medium then Thispatent created by Boyd Bushman is worth looking at
but you have to use a high frequency in the microwave region to accomplish the task and
that could get dangerous.

#### Matt Watts

##### Re: vortex rings properties
« Reply #2,  »Last edited
Quote from evostars on June 9th, 2017, 06:28 AM
a vortex ring can tranfer power.
but what defines its power?
In standard terms, power is joules of energy per second in time, but that really doesn't help us much in the realm we are researching.

We are looking at field pressure modalities.  One field exists in space; the other in counter-space.
Quote from evostars on June 9th, 2017, 06:28 AM
we have the diameter and the rotational speed.

could it be that with longitudinal electric vortex rings,
the diameter translates to the voltage,
and the rotational speed translates to the amperage?
It's hard to say for certain.  The way I tend to look at this is we create a vortex ring that propagates away from the coils that produced it.  It contains a certain packet of energy.  If we create multiple vortex rings, one after another, they transfer a certain quantity of energy in a particular amount of time.  So that should be our concept of power transfer, i.e. how many rings can we create per second.  With that in mind, if the rings are fat and propagate slowly, we have to wait a certain amount of time before we can create another ring--that reduces the amount of power we can transfer.  If on the other hand the rings scream away from the producing coil, we can produce lots of them, really fast without them bumping up against each other.  In this case we can achieve much higher power transfer.

So we need to get a handle physically how to best produce these rings, without being able to actually see them of course.  Our only eyes into what is happening is by watching the scope, measuring the delay between the source and collector.  We also need to measure the width of the energy packet when it traverses the collector.  We should be able to determine how fat the rings are as well as how fast they are moving.  This is all timing and once we get a handle on it, then we figure out how to change the actual shape of the vortex rings--lots of skinny fast moving rings would seem to me to be the goal here.  Like everything else, I'm sure there is a sweet spot.  I suspect our limits will be in how fast electronically we can actually create the pulses needed.  Here's where the design of the coils will help us fatten up and slow down the rings to some optimal shape and speed where our electronics can keep up.

The portion of this research I'm really interested to see first hand on the bench is when the rings are fat and slow moving.  I'm very curious as to how the spinning vortex ring transfers its energy into the collector coil.  I may actually use a second collector coil to see if the ring continues moving forward or if it completely dissipates in the first collector coil.  I suspect the back EMF from the load connected to the first collector coil will break up the ring, but it may not.  Worth finding out.

For the shape of the ring, amperage & voltage contained in the ring, I really don't have a guess at this point.  It will probably take a lot of work to just make these things first, then collect and decipher them.

#### chuff1

##### Re: vortex rings properties
« Reply #3,  »
Here is a Video of Stan Deyo explaining and demonstrating all about vortex in the context of Antigravity
devices.  I found this to be very entertaining as well as educational.  This set of videos is very helpful to understand fluid dynamics and its interaction with EM fields

#### evostars

##### Helmholtz on leaprogging rimg vortices
« Reply #5,  »
a quote from Helmholtz 'master paper on vorticity' (translated from german)  1858

Leapfrogging
We can now see generally how two ring-formed vortex-filaments having the same axis would mutually affect each other, since each, in addition to its proper motion, has that of its elements of fluid as produced by the other. If thay have the same direction of rotation, they travel in the same direction;

the foremost widens and travels more slowly, the persuer shrinks and travels faster, till finaly, if their velocities are not too different, it overtales the first and penetrates it. Then the same game goes on in the opposite order, so that the rings pass through each other alternately

#### namirha

##### Re: vortex rings properties
« Reply #6,  »Last edited by evostars
Quote from evostars on June 14th, 2017, 03:34 PM
a quote from Helmholtz 'master paper on vorticity' (translated from german)  1858

Leapfrogging
We can now see generally how two ring-formed vortex-filaments having the same axis would mutually affect each other, since each, in addition to its proper motion, has that of its elements of fluid as produced by the other. If thay have the same direction of rotation, they travel in the same direction;

the foremost widens and travels more slowly, the persuer shrinks and travels faster, till finaly, if their velocities are not too different, it overtales the first and penetrates it. Then the same game goes on in the opposite order, so that the rings pass through each other alternately
Uncovering the missing Secrets of Magnetism
https://archive.org/stream/magnetism1small#page/n95/mode/2up

Chemical Explosions Versus Nuclear Explosions: Where The Energy Comes From

http://sciexplorer.blogspot.nl/2015/01/chemical-explosions-versus-nuclear.html

ATOMIC SUICIDE ?
WALTER and LAO RUSSELL

edit: deleted 2 vids thar were already posted (by me, evostars)

#### evostars

##### vortex rings around the 2 windings of a bifilarcoil
« Reply #7,  »
In the drawing i made the vertical lines are coils. the outside left and right are pulsed coils. the inside are the resonating coils.

n and s is not the magnetic field so there is no repulsion. its just the vortex ring direction.

the inner resonating coils, could they act as a split bifilar? normally the dielectric field is inbetween the windings, but now the ether field is rotating.

its hard to understand how this ether field really flows.

how can i measure a sine wave? what does this say about the ether field flow? it would suggest flowing back and forth (at the resonant frequency).