Nelson Rocha's devices

Matt Watts

Re: Nelson Rocha's devices
« Reply #25,  »
I also see what appears to be at least three separate output circuits where he connects lamps.  There is also the output circuit where he has the flat power supply connected, which may the same as one of these other three or separate, bringing the total outputs to four.
Re: Nelson Rocha's devices
« Reply #26,  »
At the very front of the terminal strip, he has a single red wire going...  Someplace.  Have a strong hunch this is an earth ground wire, but not certain.  A clue is that on the other side of that same connection I briefly see a green/yellow striped wire which is the common color code for grounding wire.
Re: Nelson Rocha's devices
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You can see more of the circuitry with the box removed in this video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTaK6CAOOms

Again, I can see the power input leads running directly to the pancake coil stack.

You can also see where he connects the ground wire, but not to ground.  He actually connects it to another test board.  A bit confused here.  This test board seems to be an improved Avramenko's Plug having a single input, charging caps with the caps two outputs wires where he shorts the bulb across.  So that "ground lead" coming from his Radiant Box must also be his radiant output, or one side of it.  Hmmm.  A bit screwy.  Notice how this type of energy screws up his little portable DMM.


Nelson is leaving us all sorts of clues if we can just make use of them.
Re: Nelson Rocha's devices
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In this video you see more of his hybrid Avramenko's Plug board and his Radiant Box system without the box:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGdKqdpztuY

His system clearly produces "radiant energy" that is either injected into the pancake coil stack or comes from it.

evostars

Re: Nelson Rocha's devices
« Reply #29,  »
Isn't the power going in under the board to the red capacitor? makes more sense.

yes he is clearly working with radiant energy. he has stated its a resonant system. So my guess, is he is letting the resonant coils interact.

but to get real power, he uses high voltage. To get a high voltage sine, he needs a high current input, creating kV back emf with a punch.

I would like to see if the b emf of a bucking coil can raise the voltage high enough.

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Re: Nelson Rocha's devices
« Reply #30,  »
i just  remade nelsons rocha's circuit with the bucking toroid.

but as I suspected, it doesn't work. the transistor opens, and has no reason to close again. its straight dc to ground via the torroid

Re: Nelson Rocha's devices
« Reply #31,  »
I tested the bucking coil.
best results with 87% duty cycle.
switched side is probed.
It shows 200V spikes, but the are somewhat damped by the probe 10x setting.
this bucking must be switched from both sides. right now i havent got that.

when connected to a bifilar coil, I can ground the other end to get the best results. but its worse than straight connecting the bifilar pancake coil to the igbt.

So... to further investigate this bucking torroid, i will have to switch both sides. maybe a mosfet setup could do the trick.

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Re: Nelson Rocha's devices
« Reply #32,  »
I again tested with the other coil now in normal mode (not bucking).
the spikes ar much higher(150V), but also the inductance (47mH) so the pulse now isnt that good in tranferring its energy into the coil.

the voltage rise is less high this time.

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Re: Nelson Rocha's devices
« Reply #33,  »
so the bemf of a normal coil is higher in voltage and requires less power than a bucking coil.

but a bucking coil due to its low impedance can transfer its bemf better to a bifilar coil.
but to do so it needs to be switched at both sides. (I do believe the biflar and bucking coil could stay connected. the b emf of the bifilar is added to the b emf of the bucking coil)
Re: Nelson Rocha's devices
« Reply #34,  »
should I buy another igbt switch? its not to expensive. i think it was 75euro delivered to my door.

but how do i then use this? let me work this out...
Re: Nelson Rocha's devices
« Reply #35,  »
Could I give the 2 igbt's a differnt power supply one being -12 and 0 and the other 0 and +12 volt? yes.
but how then do i trigger the igbt? I use a external pulse gen. that needs to see 1 ground....
I could use the internal pulse signal of the igbt. but its the same problem. the ground is 12 differnt on both igbts.

the universal switch could do this. as it is isolated...

Matt could you give this a try?

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Matt Watts

Re: Nelson Rocha's devices
« Reply #36,  »
Quote from evostars on July 10th, 2017, 01:43 AM
Isn't the power going in under the board to the red capacitor? makes more sense.
It would make more sense, but your screenshot clearly (to me) shows the input power connecting to the two top right terminals on the barrier strip next to the pancake coil stack.  I can't tell for sure where the big red capacitor connects unless it loops back to those same two terminals on the barrier strip.  So we could both be right--I just assumed the barrier strip was used exclusively for all those wires coming out of the pancake coil stack.

Your screenshot also shows ground connecting to the very bottom brown wire, not the yellow/green striped wire.  That yellow/green striped wire (next terminal up) I think is his radiant output.
Re: Nelson Rocha's devices
« Reply #37,  »
Quote from evostars on July 10th, 2017, 05:29 AM
the universal switch could do this. as it is isolated...

Matt could you give this a try?
So I just set both switches to flip at the same time and put one on each side of the bucking coil to energize it?

Yeah, I could test that.  Seems easy enough.

evostars

Re: Nelson Rocha's devices
« Reply #38,  »
Quote from Matt Watts on July 10th, 2017, 05:42 AM
So I just set both switches to flip at the same time and put one on each side of the bucking coil to energize it?

Yeah, I could test that.  Seems easy enough.
yes, that would be great :thumbsup:

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Re: Nelson Rocha's devices
« Reply #39,  »
that setup would also prove if steinmetz is right

if the bifilar is energised, and the switch opens.it should stay energised as the loop is closed by the bucking coil (or would the bucking coil now be a problem).

interesting to see if the coil produces a magnetic field, that stays as long as the switch is open.

Matt Watts

Re: Nelson Rocha's devices
« Reply #40,  »
So we energize both the bucking coil and the pancake coil, then release the power supply symmetrically from each power feed and see what happens...

Okay.  I may not get to it today--last workday of the week until next Saturday.  I'll shoot for this evening.  Need to start cleaning up to head to the rats nest for more of those filthy money tokens.  I'll get back to the real work as soon as I can.

evostars

Re: Nelson Rocha's devices
« Reply #41,  »
:rofl: rats nest.

take your time. looking forward to the results

namirha

Re: Nelson Rocha's devices
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Quote from Matt Watts on July 6th, 2017, 11:17 AM
...

If this works the way I think it does, it's pretty darn ingenious.  Nelson isn't using the collapsing magnetic field--he's using two collapsing magnetic fields that have been highly pressurized against each other.  Got to hand it to Nelson, he really gets this stuff, lots better than I do at the moment, but I'm trying.  Keeping up with the master is no easy feat.
Without progressing to the human spirit and soul, we will
never be able to gain an understanding of natural phenomena
that corresponds to truth or reality. We have to imagine more
and more clearly how sound and light phenomena are related
to our conscious conceptual element; electrical and magnetic
phenomena, on the other hand, are related to our subconscious
will element; and heat is located between them. Just as feeling
is located between thinking and willing, the external heat of
nature is located between light and sound on the one hand and
electricity and magnetism on the other. Thus the structure for
examining natural phenomena must increasingly become the
study of the light and sound element, on the one hand, and of
the diametrically opposed electrical-magnetic element on the
other. And this can happen if we pursue the Goethean theory
of color. Just as in the spiritual realm we distinguish between
luciferic/light-bearing and ahrimanic/electromagnetic,
  we also
have to study the structure of natural phenomena in this way.
And the phenomena of heat that we encounter are located in
neutral territory between the two.


http://www.shamanicengineering.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Rudolf_Steiner_-_The_Light_Course.pdf
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Re: Nelson Rocha's devices
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaPvdN75dl4

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Matt Watts

Re: Nelson Rocha's devices
« Reply #44,  »
How do we pulse a bifilar coil?

Like this of course:

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evostars

Re: Nelson Rocha's devices
« Reply #45,  »
and Nelson has another video out. more strange than ever... what is he trying to say here?


https://youtu.be/f1p5KfVlWSY

Matt Watts

Re: Nelson Rocha's devices
« Reply #46,  »
I have a theory...


We have been concerning ourselves with the dielectric field between conductors and the magnetic field in toroid and pancake coils.  We are focused on the inside of things.  Maybe we need to observe outside these devices.  What do I mean...?


Well, in our observable world there are fields everywhere.  When we attempt to build a device like Nelson's, we disturb these exterior fields too, but we haven't been paying much attention to that fact.  My theory is these exterior fields are the ones we should be interested in--they are where we are going to get our overunity from, not from within.  When we break (with a switch) an internal circuit, we also break an external one, a closed-off hole so to speak.  The hole no longer becomes a hole and is now wide open for these external fields to rush in.  I think maybe Nelson is trying to show us this with his latest video.  His circuit is opening and closing a hole and when he places a light bulb between it and the earth grounded environment, we see energy excite the lamp filament as it rushes in and is pushed out of this RPU hole.  Energy is in the moving fields.

I think we may have been looking at everything inside-out and backwards.  Back EMF is actually the environment trying to fill a void we have created.  Seems to me the stuff that would be filling this void is actually the stuff we want instead of the stuff we used to create the void in the first place.  Call it cold electricity if you want.


evostars

Re: Nelson Rocha's devices
« Reply #47,  »
Quote from Matt Watts on July 20th, 2017, 06:03 PM
Back EMF is actually the environment trying to fill a void we have created.  Seems to me the stuff that would be filling this void is actually the stuff we want
spot on.

Matt Watts

Re: Nelson Rocha's devices
« Reply #48,  »
Well namirha, I could buy into the explanation you posted, but I have a problem with the terminology.

Mr. Dollard & Mr. Wheeler state that electrons or photons are the high density, high compression points in a field.  Eric goes on to say that electrons are actually the destruction of energy--or we could say, energy that has been pushed into a region of counterspace where we no longer have access to it.

Two other terms we need to get our heads wrapped around:  Charge & Conductor.

We can be quite certain "charge" is an abstract term that has no meaning in the real world.  Particles do not collect on the plates of capacitors which is the common definition of "charge".  We cannot think electrostatics.  We must think fields.

Then we have conductors, which Mr. Dollard states are dielectric reflectors, or we could say they are dielectric guides since all dielectric fields must terminate on such a conductor.  Dielectric fields terminate on conductors, all conductors, not just the two wires we have running around in our circuits.  So dielectric fields exist between our conductors and they also exist between our conductors and other conducting materials in our environment, like water pipes, door knobs, fence posts, etc.  It's these other dielectric fields we have been ignoring we need to pay attention to.

When we connect a conductor to a capacitor, we in-effect extend the conductor.  We provide more surface area for dielectric fields to form between that conductor and the environment.

This isn't simple stuff namirha.  What is simple is to get caught up using simple common terms that are completely backwards of how things really work.  Once you do that, you're toast--all you will ever get is what we already have and that's not good enough.  When you post videos and other material, please, study them carefully.  Read between the lines.  Use terminology we can work with.  Think like nature.  Use her methods.  Then explain how all the pieces must fit together.  Add value to the material you post by analyzing it.  Many of your hit-n-run posts have useful insights, please elaborate on this content.  You are more than welcome to help us figure this all out if you have that desire.

evostars

Re: Nelson Rocha's devices
« Reply #49,  »
this...

The bemf generated in the first coil (by the first pulse current ),
 is stored in a capacitor , and should be discharged as a very sharp pulse into a second coil,  by a second capacitor in series with the input switch.

 For each pulse generated in the input coil a second one is generated at a different phase shift,  and is negative.

 That way the result is an alternated ac output between the main input, positive terminal on the switch,
 and in one leg of the second capacitor, (attached  in series with second coil) resulting in a higher current pulse.


this we should learn to understand.