Bifilar pancake tesla coils, pulsed at longitudinal mode

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Bifilar pancake tesla coils, pulsed at longitudinal mode
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At 14m34s Meyl shows that above the transverse standing wave, there is a longitudinal wave, transferring power.

https://youtu.be/9tplRbd-fso?t=14m34s

I dont like the term "scalar" as it implies its staning still, like the room temperature, is a scalar field, with equal temperature.

the experiment in the video, uses single wire coils. How does this translate to the bifilar coil?
And how to approach this? How do we know/recognise the bifilar coil is in longitudinal mode?'

At several frequencies(including the resonant transferse frequency), the bifilar coil shows a magnetic field, at least, when looked with a compass.
Nelson Rocha's seems to use a longitudinal mode. and he shows there is no magnetic field, when transferring power. at least, not seen with a compass  So this is one indication.


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I made a setup with a compass. next to the bifilar coil hole.
I cycled through the frequencies, from 100 khz to 2 mhz. the big voltage rise was at 638kHz.

the funny thing is, the magnetic field always attrackted the compass south needle.  rather strange.
at lower then resonant frequency the needle some times weakend, but it never went neutral or north. always south.

this again indicates that the magnetic field always flows one direction. it doesnt alternate.
this can be explained by the dielectric field between the windings that doesnt allow the magnetic field to flow between the windings.

and as i have said before I think the dielectric field acts as the hall effect in reverse. the magnetic field is only allowed to flow in 1 direction.

but... so far no clue for the longitudinal field.
it would not surprise me if it has the same frequency instead of being higher by 1.52 as konstantin meyl showed in his demonstration video. he used single wire coils with balls to act as capacitance.
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what happens at meyl setup?

The first unifilar pancake coil, is pulsed from a few windings under it. the center is connected to a ball(capacitance). the outside rim, is (ground) connected to the second unifilar pancake outside rim (ground), while the inside is connected to a ball (capacitance). the second coil also has a few windings under it.

the leds are connected to the windings underneath the coils.
 
so the coils are connected by earth (single wire). The led is fed by by the function generator at the first coil.

In longitudinal mode, the led at the function generator is out(!) while the other led is brightly lid.
This first led going out. is strange. this would mean the impedance of the coil is much lower then the impedance of the diode. the energy is going mostly through the coil, and not through the led. strange. then at the other end, all the energy is put into the led.

How to translate this to a bifilar coil? I've got 2x3 bifilar coils. I always pulse the center coil. the top and bottom coils are resonating. One set of 3 coils, has a slightly  higher resonant frequency.

To let this work, the transmitter and reciever would need to have the same resonant frequency (I think).
I could use the 2x2 matched coils. and leave the middle coils out.

meyls underneath windings are having a much higher resonant frequency (due to the few windings). I dont know if these also are tuned to the top windings.

The ball would not have to be used, as the coil itself would have capacitance. so one ends could stay open. ( or I could add a aluminium foil bal)

Instead of a LED I would use probes. Or neon signal lights. leds would be best

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I could also use the complete 2x3 set. And pulse the top and bottom coil, and connect the center coils.
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I think i might make some phi based bifilar coils from speaker wire.  and use a single wire (or a few windings) around it as primary.
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I think it's best if i use a quarter length of the bifilar coil to use as the primary coil
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pretty easy to make with speaker wire.
these will be 2 windings on top of eachother. i already worked with a coil lile this and it works. it had twice the wire length. and it had a resonant frequency of 880 kHz. so this smaller one will be higher in frequency. but  long as it is below 2 mhz my ignt can handle it.

this is a phi ratio bifilar pancake coil double layer

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innerradius 3.7 cm times phi makez 6.0 cm for the wimding section. total radius 9.7  cm diameter 19.4cm
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i once made a water vortex thing from 2 water bottles. I connected them with the caps. and drilled a hole in it. started with a small hole. and made it bigfer untill the vortex worked best.

Its hard to see, but i think its relation between the hole and the water width is phi ratio.

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2 coils with a quarter length primary around it.

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i fixated the coil as above.
seems to work good. resonant frequency is 959khz  of the big central coil with the outside coil pulsed. i connected the ouside coil as a bifilar coil it has 2x 4 windings
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the other coil resonates at 970 khz they are close enough matched.

when i put the other unconnected coil together wit the pulsed coil, back to back,  the resonant frequency  dropped to 760 khz.
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before i placed the quarter wave primaries,  i took both bifilar coils and placed them on top of eachother. i pulsed the bottom one and measured the top coil, the resonant frequency was much higher. around 1470khz!
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I made a setup ala Meyl in his longitudinal setup. (little different because of bifilar coils)
Both coils separated. only connected with 1 wire, via the center big coils. outside rim connection. (normally tesla would use ground to ground)

pulsed via outside quarter wave coil. the inside big coil is with the center tap connected to earth.

the other coil is measured at the quarter wave coil. just 1 lead to the probe.

measured resonant frequency at 860kHz. signal went off scale, if I had to guess, around 550V Peak to peak. This is a huge voltage rise. The resonant voltage rise of these coils with the earlier measurments where only around 250V peak to peak

At higher frequencies nothing happens (just a weak signal).





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I suspect the longitudinal frequency is equal to the transverse frequency, with a bifilar coil setup.
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Meyl setup with unifilar pancake with capacitive balls, and diodes, i left the DC connections out
from his scalar wave documentation.

from what I understand, the metal cristmas balls, are grounding in counterspacce, via the dielectric field, that is focussed to the center of the ball.  This is done, because the earth ground, now isnt ground anymore. the earth energy field is brought into motion, so there for it has to have a differnt ground, it is grounding in counterspace, via the ball.

the coils are resonant, so they vibrate on the earth field vibration.

The wave lines between the balls in the picture are not what connects the resonant system. its the earth vibration.

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what if i pulse the big coil and hooked the quarterwave up to the second big coil.

twice quarter wave amplification?
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I noticed, no magnetic field with these large hole coils!
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The  center hole of a bifilar coil determines the strength of the magnetic field. The smaller the hole, the stronger the magnetic field.
But at the same time, the dielectric field voltage rise, doesn seem to be affected by the size of the hole.
I have not conlcusivly found the longitudinal wave form, but, I suspect it is the same frequency as the transverse resonant frequency.

Since the enrgy seems to be the same in the dielectric field voltage, but the magnetic field is weaker, I suspect the energy in the longitudinal field is stronger.

In other words, a small center hole, is a strong magnetic and dielectric field. (weak longitudinal?)

A large center hole, is a stong longitudinal field and dielectric field. and a weak magnetic field.

If I would visualise the fields, and what happens when opening the hole (enlarging the diameter of the hole), I see a vortex, focussed in the smallest center hole. When the diameter gets bigger, this vortex transformes, becoming a wider and wider vortex, the field is erecting, becoming a beam, beaming straight of the coil, like a flat speaker, creating pressure waves, longitudinal. but also still rotating.

With a speaker you get akoustic feedback from the back and the front speaker, thats why its enclosed in a cabinet, so the pressure zones dont shortcut around the speaker.
This might also be needed in case of the bifilar coil. would this mean, having wide enough widings area? What would stop these longitudinal ether presure waves (tsunami's).


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Re: Bifilar pancake tesla coils, pulsed at longitudinal mode
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in longitudinal mode the source diode is out and the reciever diode is bright, shown by meyls experiment.

so the bifilar coil at resonant frequency produces a sine wave voltage in a nearby metal object.
if i was to connect a led via a diode rectifier on the metal object. the source voltage should drop, if the led is burning. this would prove the longitudinal power transmission.

this setup should also work with a faraday cage, the longitudinal field should not be restricted by it. so the led should be bright outside the cage.

easily to test
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meyl also talks about 2 longitudinal fields. one dielectric and one magnetic.

so a transverse and longitudinal magnetic and electric.

another interview with inspiring statements.
this youtube channel has 2 more interviews from meyl.

https://youtu.be/tKTkpC-DHZ8
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test seems to comfirm.

first took one coil (with the quarterwave outside) and pulsed it into resonance. the frequency was around 1.2 Mhz. resonant sine wave on the scope wasnt that big. around 200V.

than I placed a distance holder (roll of tape) to create a distance of the radius of the center hole (3.6 cm).

placed the second coil on top.

the resonant frequency of the bottom pulsed coil dropped. retuned it. to around 930khz

the pulsed bottom coil now showed a lower voltage sine wave. while at the same time the top coil had a bigger voltage (!) sine wave. :shocked:

then I connected one end of the top coil to ground and the resonantfrequency of the bottom coil again dropped to around 900khz. retuned again.
voltage in the top coil now went even higher in voltage wile the bottom pulsed coil was lower in voltage.

to me this is very interesting. it seems to be a ring vortex forming between the coil transferring energy.
taking it from the bottom one and transferring it to the top one.

wonder what would happen if i made another coil and placed it on top. would the voltage step even higher?
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this effect is video worthy. maybe work it out a bit more. and put the signal into some leds to make it more visible.
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maybe place a 3rd coil under the pulsed coil.
to get the out of phase (standing wave resonance) signals again and let them add up