#### Matt Watts

##### Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
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Quote from evostars on June 4th, 2017, 02:22 AM
a ring vortex has  a rotating ring.
the rotational direction is related to the direction the ring vortex moves in.

but from the same direction they entangle. but it requires one moving faster than the other. and the same direction.

if we translate this to the magnetic and dielectric,
one has to be lower in frequency. and their direction needs to be the same.

to transfer this to nelsons setup,
a magnetic vortex coil combines with a dielectric ring vortex coil (blue middle with dielectric).
and a output coil. so the energy moves from one end to the other.

the center coil is not the output. its the dielectric ringvortex. the left coil is the magnetic vortex that combines with the dielectric ring vortex. giving it power. (wrapping around it?)

the output coil only sees the magnetic and dielectric combined fields

In the picture; light blue is the magnetic vortex
green is the dielectric ring vortex
dark blue is the output

first create te dielectric vortex ring.
build a bifilarcoil with a dielectric between the windings (2 unifilar coil series connected with dielectric between them.

second... a hv pulse at resonant frequency.
it needs to be high voltage to bridge the distance between the coils (generates a vortex ring in the dielectric
Create the magnetic vortex ring first, let it propagate to the position between the two blue coils, then subject it to a dielectric discharge.  That's the template for producing hybrid hot electricity that can be collected in the output coil.

Yes Evo, I do believe you have captured the essence of creating electricity from its constituent parts.

:thumbsup:

#### evostars

##### Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
« Reply #76,  »
thanks Matt.

I do think the dielectric ring toroid in between the two series connected unifilar coil is automaticly there when its in its resonant frequency (together a bifilar)

the magnetic vortex is then sucked into the dielectric ring toroid.

but hey. so far its a thought. we need to build this.

a magnetic toroid ... i dont know.
a toroid is a toroid what would be the differnce if the toroid isnt traveling (confined between blue unifilar coils).
what would define the differnce?

the form of a ether field specifies its characteristics.
so the trick seems to be in tranfsorming the field form.

from a vortex(magnetic) into a ring toroid, that energises the spiral (dielectric of the output coil)

#### Matt Watts

##### Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
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The way I see this is we first create a vortex ring, strong on the magnetic side.  Similar technique as used for a smoke ring, just a pop of high current to the pancake coil.  This ring then travels through the first charged bifilar pancake coil and enters into the dielectric region between the two charged bifilar coils.  When it gets there, we rapidly create a discharge between the two bifilar pancake coils.  These coils are acting like capacitor plates, but have the Phi ratio hole in the middle.  The dielectric discharge then engages the magnetic vortex ring (because it has to go somewhere) and wraps dielectric capacity into this vortex ring.  The ring then passes through the second bifilar pancake coil and finally hits the output coil which senses the spinning vortex ring as vibration, now strong with both magnetic and dielectric components.

Thinking about this in visual form, the round wires are actually better suited than flat PCB-type pancake coils, at least on the magnetic coil and the output coil.  They may still work nicely for the HV dielectric coils.  We need to use some judgement on how large/thick the magnetic vortex ring is too.  We want it to be about the same thickness as the dielectric material between the two HV bifilar pancake coil plates.  We also need to think about the polarity and direction of motion of the vortex ring.  If the dielectric discharge tries to go in the opposite direction, the magnetic vortex ring will likely blow apart and we'll see nothing at the output coil.

Where I'm still shaky is what happens when this vortex ring passes through the two bifilar pancake coils being used as capacitor plates.  Do we lose a good portion of the magnetic field?  Do we get a strong current pulse going back to the HV driver?  Do we need some diodes to prevent this?

When Nelson said, "I'd be lying to you if I told you that is all there is to it."  He wasn't kidding.  I'm just hoping when we hit the bench we will be able to tell when we are doing things wrong as well as when we are doing things right.

#### evostars

##### Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
« Reply #78,  »
experimenting and logging data will teach us.

nelson to me:
About your test i'm glad that you could duplicate yourself the " apparently "magnetic field exclusion with your new configuration ;) nice ! Hope you explore this theme and see if that  are only made by high frequency , or something more happen ;)  like stack other pancake coil and look to that like one capacitor exchanging charges between each plate  (two pancake coils ) .

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he sure can be cryptic with his broken english
:D
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Im watching a part of "the cove" about dolphins.
at 59min 29 sec you can see a dolphin powering a ring vortex with a push of air.
brilliant

#### Matt Watts

##### Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
« Reply #81,  »
If we could give a dolphin a pair of arms and hands, he could show us exactly how to build Nelson's device.  Contrary to popular belief, I think typical humans are generally dumber than most of the other creatures on this planet.  We have a long way to go Evo...

#### evostars

##### Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
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and learn to think with our hearts.
use intuition
telepathic communication.

its all about opening mind and heart

and letting go of the deep false programming of our culture.

letting go of the false magnetic field image
letting go of the electron particle image
letting go of the idea we know all there is to know.
letting go of quantum physics (i never bought it luckily)

we know so little. about vortex technology.

but hej. we've come this far! we will get there.
nelson and many others have shown us.

oh man... i have to turn off this movie
it shows japanese man killing dolphins.
aaaaargg
:(

#### Matt Watts

##### Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
« Reply #83,  »
Quote from evostars on June 9th, 2017, 02:24 PM
a magnetic field is like a double ringvortex. but polarised. so the ring vortexes come together on the dielectric plane in the middle (bloch wall) but are counter rotating into eachother.(?)

so... what happens to this longitudinal ring vortex component? when the magnetic field collapses?

the dielectric rotation stops. does the magnetic vortex rotation also stop? then the collapse is really like 2 ringvortices turning into eachother. rotation power is gone, but the diameter (voltage component) is still there.
But the question is:  Does the magnetic field actually collapse?   It doesn't in a permanent magnet because the dielectric inertial plain is still there.  So if the dielectric component of the ring vortex is still there, I'm guessing the magnetic component is too--trapped due to field pressure modality.

My feeling is the dielectric component is what determines if the magnetic component survives or not.  When a ring vortex comes apart, I'm betting this is because the dielectric component finds an escape path and dissipates.  This then brings on the apparent magnetic field collapse because it no longer has a container.  This almost sounds too simple, but could well be the real mechanism behind what we observe as magnetic fields building and collapsing.  What may be the apparent slowness of the magnetic field building and collapsing is the rotational speed within the vortex--this would have inertia and would take time to change state.  Spin cannot be instantaneous.

#### chuff1

##### Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
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There is alot of different ideas in this thread so allow me to address a few of these ideas.

First idea is about the plastic block on the wooden table and the removal creating a voltage potential.
Here is a website that explains the phenomenon.  Basically when you have two objects they have a
certain capacity and when you separate the two, you decrease the capacity between them due to
each having its own charge (however minute it might be), and due to the drop of capacity the voltage increases for example the Wimshurst generator.

Second is the idea of using a diamagnetic core for a coil.  The EM field of the coil wrapped around
a closed copper wire core or any diamagnetic material will never interact with each other in a positive
way due to the fields being perpendicular to each other.  The only thing you will get is a very hot core
and a huge load to the driving coil. Here is an engineer answering the question.

Third is the magnetic field collapsing and the dielectric field.  According to modern theories the
"Magnetic Field" always has existed but is only channeled with the use of a permanent magnet or
an electromagnet. If we align the paramagnetic atoms from left to right and keep these atoms aligned
we create an environment for the magnetic field to flow through.  There is another analog to the
magnetic field and that is the Electret.
This is the alignment of dielectric materials that are held still that will generate an electric field
just like a magnet.  This is an example of a man taking the concept and applying it to create FE.

#### evostars

##### Re: feel free to post your constructive comments here
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ah the electret. often used in cheap microphones.

a quote from wikipedia:
Electrets, like magnets, are dipoles. Another similarity is the radiant fields: They produce an electrostatic field (as opposed to a magnetic field) around their perimeter. When a magnet and an electret are near one another, a rather unusual phenomenon occurs: while stationary, neither has any effect on one another. However, when an electret is moved with respect to a magnetic pole, a force is felt which acts perpendicular to the magnetic field, pushing the electret along a path 90 degrees to the expected direction of 'push' as would be felt with another magnet.

this I recognise as the Hall effect, which I also suspect is happening in the bifilar coil with its strong dielectric field