Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.

firepinto

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #75, on January 6th, 2014, 08:02 AM »
Just to be sure credit is given where it is due, the Gas Processor shown in the pictures is built by Max Miller.

securesupplies

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #76, on January 6th, 2014, 02:41 PM »
Quote from firepinto on January 6th, 2014, 08:02 AM
Just to be sure credit is given where it is due, the Gas Processor shown in the pictures is built by Max Miller.
NOtes if you zoom in the Name Mr Max miller is on it and he is getting alot of fair promos
and refferals

need some 3d stuff posted.
Dan

brettly

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #77, on January 6th, 2014, 08:30 PM »Last edited on January 6th, 2014, 08:46 PM by brettly
just reposting some info on the226nm

uv 226nm laser was used to split 0xygen into atomic oxygen,
it also excited the atomic oxygen and caused it to emit infrared at wavelength 845nm
research by Richard Miles and colleagues at Princeton University
Science 331 442.
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news...ward-laser
if oxygen emits at 845nm infrared (after excitation with 226nm uv) i'm guessing it will also absorb at that wavelength,
which maybe a wavelength associated with meyers infrared leds
very interesting article here
http://www.isa.org/InTechTemplate.cfm?template=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=76182

the part on how they produce 226nm
exciting 02 and N2 ( air basically) by plasma it emits 226nm



securesupplies

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #78, on January 14th, 2014, 10:26 PM »
clear explanation for why we ionise air in take?


brettly

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #79, on January 17th, 2014, 08:08 PM »
226nm is released by NO when excited
that wavelength willl split oxygen into ions
making oxygen more reactive, but it would involve production of NO in spark discharge through air,
so it might be of no usefulness, or undesireable, unless 226nm assist in splitting water, then it might be useful.
I'll look up which uv wavelengths absorption spectra for h20 and ho

Matt Watts


Limitless

Re: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #81, on February 26th, 2014, 08:23 PM »Last edited on February 28th, 2014, 12:32 PM
Bare with me on this one & please keep an open mind.

I've been thinking about the design of the pump EPG, it's shape, and the arrangement of the pick-up coils. To me it all suggests that the magnetic field of the gas is produced all at the same time, like the stimulation of a florescent bulb. I'm wondering if the gas Stan made, produces a strong magnetic field when in the excited state due to the metal ions (iron, nickel, or cobalt). If this is true, he may have used the primary coils to stimulate the gas magnetically by using an extremely high frequency, as in magnetic induction lighting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlU-_WtyIFM#

Let me know your thoughts,
Limitless

freethisone


securesupplies

Re: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #83, on February 27th, 2014, 09:33 PM »
cool thanks you nice work

cory991

Re: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #84, on March 27th, 2014, 08:31 PM »
I found a chart on wikipedia listing the energy in Kilojoules per mole needed to ionize certain gasses and atomic ions. It does list Hydrogen and Oxygen in reference to the WFC Tech and argon and iron in reference to the EPG. Below is the link to the page. Hope its useful. :)

Molar Ionization Energies

thx1138v2


Klasniedryg

Re: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #86, on May 7th, 2014, 12:30 PM »Last edited on May 7th, 2014, 01:04 PM by Lynx
Hey Everyone. Long time follower, but first time posting...  I watched a youtube video about water. And the Dr mentioned about using infrared lights to energize water. I was curious if infrared would be better for the gas gun instead of LEDs? any opinions? This is the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q33KyLkP_Rg#ws

Gunther Rattay

Re: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #87, on May 7th, 2014, 02:26 PM »
Quote from Klasniedryg on May 7th, 2014, 12:30 PM
... I was curious if infrared would be better for the gas gun instead of LEDs? any opinions? ...
leds are available from invisible UV to invisible IR. infrared stands for a certain frequency range. LEDs are always laser devices because the semiconductor emits photons always aligned.

securesupplies

Re: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #89, on May 31st, 2014, 01:57 PM »Last edited on June 1st, 2014, 09:44 AM
I Just posted 3 specific gas ionization threads.

so we can expand the options and tech which can be used to + ionize
each gas type

which catalyst metals are best , which concentration methods for each etc

freethisone

Re: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #90, on May 31st, 2014, 05:44 PM »Last edited on May 31st, 2014, 05:46 PM
your a funny guy, i havent seen a single thing you been working on.. were is the injector? u talk about how to ionize? i dont see any experiments on even one element.  were is your gas core EPG?  were are the heat ex-changers we talk about? think about building a chamber then decide how you will fill it and test it in vacume. have you ?  i would focus on the simple stuff first like how to make a vapour and then treat it with ozone. i think your out of your focus to not make any progress in all this time.

Tesla based turbines make this easy.. what is your goal?

securesupplies

Re: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #91, on May 31st, 2014, 11:27 PM »Last edited on June 1st, 2014, 09:42 AM
You don't need  only a injector move a ahead.
you can fed ionized air into a engine with a vacuum as long as it is controlled  right on air space
please see the megasquirt threads..

The better NI will make volume expansion  thus over coming the engine only just idling from gas,
 the goal is empower builders to build and apply the focus knowledge .

I am  working on making combustion engines more efficient and less toxic.

"WATER FILLED" Split = ((H+Ni ((Ionized + Charged via air intake /Gas processor ))
=  "AMMONIA FUELED" + O (injected) + spark) =BANG
The only by-products are water vapor and nitrogen gas "Stanley Meyers".


You can work on your tesla methods and skills  and I will focus on mine
we have the same goals,  somethings take a while to sink in please look at the info carefully.

We don't have to rebuild things if we are managing the air spaces
better in a more controlled metered way better gas knowledge.

We don' t have to reinvent the wheel on that,  just apply it better

For the Record I disliked that video when I first watched,
as it mention ammonia etc tec but month latter after watching just the last section
 it made a lot sense some things are just facts worth noting..

I am sharing what have 
 find more here
www.securesupplies.biz

hugs
Dan

Re: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #92, on June 7th, 2014, 07:33 AM »Last edited on June 9th, 2014, 01:52 PM
Gas Charges and Bonding  Notes

Air intake Gas Processing is equally  as important for   for the buggy as it was for the egp, when N and H bond for NH3 or NH4 that releases electrons to EPG , thus we had the EPG buggy  version running gases together from cell and gas processor

Summary I have is

it is

DC  Conrona Discharge
Laser Diodes 

We we are working hard
on firming voltage
Light wave lengths

And Reviewing machines on the market for this purpose and if they make
suitable nitrogen


Dan

For Clarity  This is   

From the Electrolyzers output and  from the Gas Processor Flow through,
a mixing block for H + N

and a Pressure fuel rail with a pressure bypass loop back to gas processor,

This may be a advance from stan as Laser Chemistry has Advanced for low pressure low heat bonding with
precise wave length matching for gas types.


IT is not pure water after the injector. it is water fuel made prior.

Re: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #93, on June 7th, 2014, 01:22 PM »
As an atom, it does not have a charge.H2, diatomic element

If it lose the electron, it gets a positive charge, H+, as in acids

If it gains an electron, it gets a negative charge, called hydride, H-

ince Hydrogen has one electron, when it becomes charged (when it becomes an ion), it will either
loose an electron or gain one to become stable when it bonds, so it can have a postitve or negative charge.

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Stan Cleary Says Stip off electron from Cell

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If you mean ions which contain only Nitrogen ( without other elements ) ; They will be :

[ N ]3-
Nitride ion ; Having 3 Negative Charges

[ N3 ]-
Azide ion ; Having 1 Negative Charge
Re: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #94, on June 7th, 2014, 01:25 PM »
these are basic knowledge to understand how to build bettergass processors with only on side charge dc  ionize positive or negative?
Re: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #95, on June 9th, 2014, 07:24 AM »Last edited on June 9th, 2014, 01:45 PM
nm wave lengths for led

this is from another forum should check the correct nm wave lengths for  oxygen nitrogen and hydrogen for gas processor designs.

to match the nm led diodes, 

absorption work Sheet
OXYGEN  NUMBERS Excitement number for lazer diode rating NM
Ionization Energies and electron affinity The electron affinity of oxygen is 141  kJ mol-1.
The ionization energies of oxygen are given below.
Ionization energy number   Enthalpy /kJ mol-1
1st   1313.9
2nd   3388.3
3rd   5300.5
4th   7469.2
5th   10989.5
6th   13326.5
7th   71330
8th   84078.0
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Ionization Energies and electron affinity
The electron affinity of nitrogen is 7  kJ mol-1. The ionization energies of nitrogen are given below.
Ionization energy number   Enthalpy /kJ mol-1
1st   1402.3
2nd   2856
3rd   4578.1
4th   7475.0
5th   9444.9
6th   53266.6
7th   64360
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Ionization Energies and electron affinity The electron affinity of hydrogen is 72.8  kJ mol-1. The ionization energies of hydrogen are given below.
Ionization energy number   Enthalpy /kJ mol-1
1st   1312.0
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Things to consider, if you research Oxygen ionization energies you'll find each successive ionization takes more energy.

1st ionization=13.61eV
2nd ionization=35.11eV
3rd ionization=54.93eV
4th ionization=77.41eV

OXYGEN
From all the research i have done the Oxygen absorption wavelengths are:
344nm, 360nm, 380nm, 477nm, 577nm, 630nm, 760nm.

If you convert these to eV you'll get

760nm=1.63eV
630nm=1.96eV
577nm=2.14eV 
477nm=2.59eV                              Basically we want to zero in on the nm number and match diode for O,H and N
380nm=3.26eV                                once have reliable number for oxygen hydrogen and nitrogen we can target each
360nm=3.44eV                                  in the air intake ionizer and energise the with the right wave length and make them 344nm=3.60eV                                  energize and weaken to loose a electron and heat up to react with n and h more
                                                                                               readily or violently with ignition

Now these wavelengths will excite the oxygen atom, notice how each shorter wavelength has more energy (excites the atom to a higher energy). Also notice that the first ionization energy of oxygen is 13.61eV.
What these wavelengths do is aid the ionization process of the first electron.
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NItrogen absorption (excitement numbers) need same as above than we match laser diodes

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Hydrogen absorption Numbers (excitement Number)


 attached some lase chemistry in I think is interesting for this topic

Here is book link for  Ev for Nitrogen and Hydrogen  obsorb rates to work out nm led rating all is uv under 300 nm  ,

these is some
infra red talk says there are diffrences with infra and these , need to check that.

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=A5F9DB5B451D72AC%213542


Some Data can be found

Nitrogen Laser Fixation

Hydrogen Laser Fixation

Oxygen Laser Fixation



As promised references for people playing with other methods
High energy-density N2 O2 compound
US 5171385 A

Nitrogen fixation with a high energy laser
US 4167463 A

Enhancing chemical reactions  US 4124466 A

Photochemical method for generating superoxide radicals (O2-) in aqueous solutions
US 4199419 A

Laser ignition methods and apparatus for combustors US 5367869 A

excite N2 from its vibrational state using nanosecond high-energy laser pulses of wavelengths near infrared and blue-purple ranges
US 7118655 B1

Enhancing chemical reactions
US 4124466 A

Method of Increasing Hydrogen Production by Infrared Electrolysis
US 20130134046 A1

Method and apparatus for the initiation of chemical reactions
US 4012301 A

To ammonia, hydrazine, and mixtures by reaction with water on solid metal oxide irradiated with ultraviolet light
US 4113590 A ( USing titanium tube in the Gas processor or cell they will act as a catalyst. when uv hits them)

Photo-assisted electrolysis
US 20020060161 A1

Gas dynamic reaction process and system for laser chemistry
US 4176024 A

Enhancing chemical reactions
US4124466
Re: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #96, on June 9th, 2014, 01:46 PM »Last edited on June 9th, 2014, 01:49 PM
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firepinto

Re: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #97, on June 26th, 2014, 01:35 PM »
Max just posted a video of the Gas Processor that he drew up in Blender and printed on his new 3D printer.  :cool:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zODBWQXeq5g#ws

Jeff Nading

Re: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #98, on June 26th, 2014, 02:53 PM »
I just watched it, very cool.

securesupplies

Re: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #99, on June 28th, 2014, 04:29 AM »
Nice Work Max ,   Gotta Get a Printer too much fun once running