Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.

Shainagua

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #50, on October 8th, 2012, 08:09 AM »
Quote from securesupplies on October 2nd, 2012, 01:43 PM
PLease update  links to other doing HGG projects

Here is one I found very interesting



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E70RabnwOoI&feature=related


Dan
Hi Dan, I would like to ask you what do you know about the three coils is shown in HGG U.S. Patent 4826851 com Fig. 2 and how this these are related to the VIC coil.

Thanks, Shainagua

Amsy

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #51, on October 22nd, 2012, 12:45 AM »Last edited on October 22nd, 2012, 05:24 AM by Amsy
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on January 29th, 2012, 11:23 PM
so will Stan's system work with out the GHH??? i don't know. but we are on our way to finding out!

 just remember that there is more to Stan's WFC than one supper efficient water breaker... the over all efficiency comes from all over the system... not from just one part of the system.

so, the answer i cant answer and haven't found any one that can answer it is...

What happens when you take at least 4 electrons away from oxygen, then try to burn it with hydrogen???
Hy,
I know the point of my answer is delayed, may be it can help yet.

After a lot of theoretical thinking, simulations and real test, I think the system will not work without the HGG, this is the key of the hole technology. Of course first you need a very effective water breaker. But this can be also made with electrolyses. :exclamation: The electrolyses gets more efficient when the voltage is exactly on the minimumvoltage of the proces (~1,23V). The best way to reach this is to puls this in flyback mode.
Like in a flyback diode http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyback_diode , the voltage will breake down to the threshold voltage of the WFCs. For example having 3 in a row, the threshold voltage will be 1,23V x 3... like at LEDs or diods.
So the efficiency of the hole system is limited by the conversion efficiency of the transfo. This can raise up to 90% or higher. Stan always highlighted this, that the HHO production is very effective and that the process keeps cold. To keep the process cold, you need to go down with the voltage, because, voltage above 1,23V only heats up the water and lowers the efficiency. Stan would have never disclose that, also the patents aren´t saying this.  

For example: The joule thief also works on this principal. The LED uses the flyback of the Inductance to reach the threshold voltage, although the input voltage is too small for driving the LED.

In the attachment I load a schematic of the VIC with a diode instead of the WFC. Look at the wave form with and without Charging Choke. There is also a frequency doubling effekt.


The HGG was a demonstration unit. For using it in a car he uses the injectors. They had the same function like the HGG. In the videos with the silver tank the car runs on the principal of the patent Nr. US4826581.
with a HHO production in the WFC unit delivering the gas to the ionisation chambers (injectors). (IMHO)

The car afterwards (red tank) has no HHO production WFC, he made this step directly in the injectors.

Maybe this can help a little bit to problem of ionisation of molecules.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_%28chemistry%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_shell

Extract electrons not only gains energy to the electric system, but also lift up the atoms to a "new state". Depending of the grade of the ionisation afterwards the molecules are very reactive and this will end in a exothermic reaction like an explosion.

Regards



securesupplies

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #52, on January 12th, 2013, 11:42 AM »

love it if this this thread got mechanical tech drawing
and detailed part info for rebuilder of HGG to use,

 , so more people can readily replicate it. Now we know
 
ionizing gases is important  to the system.

getting people building and replicating this would be amazing.


Dan

Kyrian

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #53, on January 15th, 2013, 11:23 AM »
Hi Everyone
Iam new here and i would exchange my experience around Stans work witch others.

I think about LEDs we need to use in the Gas Processor. This is only correct wavelenght we can use to this proces.
Hydrogen absorbtion wavelenght is 4101,7 A = 410,17 nm and oxygen absorbtion wavelenght is 4105,0 A = 410,5 nm. We just need to set precisely voltage potencial on the LED with 410,5 nm (it will be different for different LED prodecent), and after set it in pulse frequency like Stan said. With this pulse we can get 410,17 nm too.
I dont understand whatfor the LEDs with for example 654 nm wavelenght are better if with 410 nm we have more energy transmitted by foton and for 410,5 - 3,013 eV/foton, for 410,17 - 3,016 eV/foton, where for 654 nm - 1,89 eV.

Sorry for my english, i hope your understand all :)
Greetings
Martin

Jeff Nading

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #54, on January 15th, 2013, 12:53 PM »
Quote from Kyrian on January 15th, 2013, 11:23 AM
Hi Everyone
Iam new here and i would exchange my experience around Stans work witch others.

I think about LEDs we need to use in the Gas Processor. This is only correct wavelenght we can use to this proces.
Hydrogen absorbtion wavelenght is 4101,7 A = 410,17 nm and oxygen absorbtion wavelenght is 4105,0 A = 410,5 nm. We just need to set precisely voltage potencial on the LED with 410,5 nm (it will be different for different LED prodecent), and after set it in pulse frequency like Stan said. With this pulse we can get 410,17 nm too.
I dont understand whatfor the LEDs with for example 654 nm wavelenght are better if with 410 nm we have more energy transmitted by foton and for 410,5 - 3,013 eV/foton, for 410,17 - 3,016 eV/foton, where for 654 nm - 1,89 eV.

Sorry for my english, i hope your understand all :)
Greetings
Martin
Hi Martin, welcome to the forum. I guess one thing that was taken into consideration is that the LED'S we have today are better than the ones that Stan had in his day, but I do see the since in what you are saying, thanks Jeff.:cool::D:P

securesupplies

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #55, on February 6th, 2013, 03:33 AM »

Hi

This section should be on 3d printer long ago
if you have skills to  convert  &  post 3d Printer files for the gas processor  parts

I believe t will help progress participants and new comers replications

please post here
 
RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #56, on May 17th, 2013, 09:11 AM »Last edited on May 17th, 2013, 10:00 AM by Lynx
Explained

Please see attached

Attached
for your knowledge and consideration.

suggest we start to draw up the housing similar to what stan did
but use stand original design.

mas did one which is closer to is for the air intake ionizer


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZJRonwmFjw&feature=share&list=UUEGe7GasoADRNz6wfHM91sQ

Compare his video and pc together as I did the 2 different
1. air intake ionizer and

2.HHO gas processor not same 2 different things.

second may not be needed in fact if first is efficient..

Easier now we all have 3d printers to make housing for these.
lets draw them up now knowledge is here .

Attached

Dan
Secure Supplies
RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #57, on July 21st, 2013, 01:48 AM »

Well with the advance made by Max and Other on this section

we now know we have 2 uses for this part of the tech the first major is on the air intake .

I think now we have released the injector and 11 cell designs and moving to posting cnc file versions we need to come up with  gas ionised intake designs for the plastic parts.  



better download and save it  RARE !!!
re up load it other places

Dan

ps check it out


zaneaussie

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #58, on August 11th, 2013, 06:43 PM »
Hey Russ,

First off just want to say that I have been watching your videos since day dot and I subscribe. I have always enjoyed your work. Keep it up! Just wondering if someone can explain in further detail the reason we are creating a corona. I understand the physics aspects of getting the gas to higher states using the LED's etc but how does the corona NOT ignite the HHO gas in the chamber?
RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #59, on August 12th, 2013, 05:18 AM »
Quote from zaneaussie on August 11th, 2013, 06:43 PM
Hey Russ,

First off just want to say that I have been watching your videos since day dot and I subscribe. I have always enjoyed your work. Keep it up! Just wondering if someone can explain in further detail the reason we are creating a corona. I understand the physics aspects of getting the gas to higher states using the LED's etc but how does the corona NOT ignite the HHO gas in the chamber?
Hey again,

Never mind, I did some research and answered my own question. An aussie guy (can't find the video link right now) did a video showing HHO gas running straight through an ozone generator without igniting the HHO..i'm guessing this is what we are trying to do.  

freethisone

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #60, on August 12th, 2013, 02:25 PM »Last edited on August 12th, 2013, 02:31 PM by freethisone

i am very sad to see that the epg work had never been tested. i would have liked to see what a magnetic gas could do as far as circulation through the pump.

i have a link that is related, perhaps you would subscribe. , but they give you a short summery, link.

you gave him more then enough time and opportunity for him to complete his processor, Dave i think his name is? anyway, with the information provided in the article you can get a good understanding of the process Stan was experimenting with.

http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v106/i19/e193003:huh:
:idea:

this guy. grr https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW3GQ5jtVKo&feature=c4-overview&list=UUEGe7GasoADRNz6wfHM91sQ

zaneaussie

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #61, on August 14th, 2013, 12:26 AM »
Quote from freethisone on August 12th, 2013, 02:25 PM
i am very sad to see that the epg work had never been tested. i would have liked to see what a magnetic gas could do as far as circulation through the pump.

i have a link that is related, perhaps you would subscribe. , but they give you a short summery, link.

you gave him more then enough time and opportunity for him to complete his processor, Dave i think his name is? anyway, with the information provided in the article you can get a good understanding of the process Stan was experimenting with.

http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v106/i19/e193003:huh:
:idea:

this guy. grr https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW3GQ5jtVKo&feature=c4-overview&list=UUEGe7GasoADRNz6wfHM91sQ
Hey,
Yeh I saw that video prior. The gas gun that this video shows does not incorporate a corona for ionizing the oxygen. The corona device he show's as burnt must be incorrectly configured. I have seen a correctly configured gas gun that ionizes the oxygen without igniting the hho.

freethisone

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #62, on September 18th, 2013, 05:32 PM »Last edited on December 12th, 2013, 06:24 PM by freethisone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwa2V7tQknY&feature=player_embedded#!

LINK"":heart:
/watch?v=mT-94c1Q6Ms

if you were to enclose this system  in tubes, and then introduced photon err magnetic radiation, you would  have good results..

now that is a gas processor..:angel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwa2V7tQknY&feature=player_embedded#!

http://open-source-energy.org/forum/images/smilies/angel.gif
this pdf gets you back to the basics. many have already lost there way, and simple processors should have been built and tested.

remember the key in excitation is a increasing potential.

i propose one such possibility that photon absorption done by increasing the energy at each flash will achieve good results.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Vd7FV_UKCU&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PLBFF84529276C42BE:D
a wave  guide directs light. 4 flash tubes of of good power instant cameras will work..


the simplest most cost effective way to build one of these is with a Rodin coil or two as the containment field, and a simple wave guide. refractory  prisim 4 flash tubes, like used for ruby lasers. and possibly the introduction of the ruby in our spectrum. and a  ruby of corundum if it was fun to try... iron oxide fine dust 1 to ten microns, a mix of the same sulfur, and nitrogen for a nice orange hue...
we flash bulb then 2 then 3 then 4 in that order. increasing each time absorption. our ground state a simple static charge close to ground but not touching. or even better a sharp point of sorts...high voltage ring, super conductor, or equal potentials of large radius aluminum balls. that disturbs the ground state because high potential flow to low potential. cheers.. the importance of the Tesla ball at the top of the tower.... surging over 3 million volts into all directions from the disruptive discharges of the capacitor bank and spark gap..:D:D

rare mood..peace. i doodled this on my fist try. its post #1 and the pictures at the bottom are bigger..    

 If its plume waving? Maxwell.. then its a cloud, or vortex of sorts moving like smoke all around us.magnetic particles small enough to make up the charge.  carry a high potential, and make up for induction. magnet electricity.
sweet 16 . if ed had moved in the wrong direction he could be off as much as 2 month according to what direction he chose to move the corral castle 10 miles.

http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=58  link


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfSJGNnWh_Q

it doesn't actually block electrons. only if i draw the current to ground will the discharge stop.  but with a spark gap the wire is attracted until it touches and then repeats this process by itself. the wire becomes in vibration.. i think i blew that cap also..

Limitless

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #63, on November 19th, 2013, 11:34 PM »
Hello Fellow Gas Processor & HGG Researchers,

I recently started a FB page dedicated to this research. After nearly 2 years of research on this topic I am finally beginning to understand it. I have collected pictures and schematics of many different gas processors and put them in one place so we can view the different designs and discuss the pros and cons of each one. I recently added info on the photoelectric effect and electron ejection as well. I would love for you all to stop by and contribute to the research.

https://www.facebook.com/LimitlessResearch

Keep up the good work,
Russell Martin
Limitless Research

securesupplies

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #64, on November 25th, 2013, 01:24 AM »
cool  Like the fb page,

We can do exact reproduction and advanced reproductions.

Can we post basic dimension of Stans  the air intake  ioniser  and the gas gun?

Dan

freethisone

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #65, on November 30th, 2013, 02:28 PM »Last edited on November 30th, 2013, 02:35 PM by freethisone
Quote from securesupplies on November 25th, 2013, 01:24 AM
cool  Like the fb page,

We can do exact reproduction and advanced reproductions.

Can we post basic dimension of Stans  the air intake  ioniser  and the gas gun?

Dan
another term is rare faction. tesla states his tesla turbine will give great results.

in other word ionizes air to become rarefied, and there fore we already are a step above ground state.  exited state, creates low resistance channel for electrons to pass without rare gas, in exited state.  a magnetic pathway/electrical.:D

find telsa turbine patent and read.  :P:P  below i included files for you to ponder.:shy:

Limitless

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #66, on December 1st, 2013, 12:41 AM »
Quote from securesupplies on November 25th, 2013, 01:24 AM
cool  Like the fb page,

We can do exact reproduction and advanced reproductions.

Can we post basic dimension of Stans  the air intake  ioniser  and the gas gun?

Dan
Dan,

Yes, of course! That's what it's for, sharing! Please feel free to post and leave comments related to gas processor technology. Also feel free to download information from the FB page and repost it anywhere.

Best Regards,
Russell
Limitless Research
Facebook.com/LimitlessResearch

securesupplies

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #67, on December 9th, 2013, 10:37 PM »
Here are some clips in Word Doc

Also Not on one pic of Daniel dingle he has air ionisor on car.

At this point replication design and delrin body measurements for
Stans Air intake and Stan gas processor 2 different things are required

more detail for sketch up drawings of both so people can more readily build
the small pats in each case  in google sketch up etc

Attached
and

link here

https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=A5F9DB5B451D72AC%212896

Dan
www.securesupplies.biz



RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #68, on December 11th, 2013, 12:39 PM »Last edited on December 11th, 2013, 12:46 PM by securesupplies
Facts

1.The Gas Gun was 100%  used for the EPG for making gas mixes and variants, and was not vitel for epg to work in final laser design of epg..


2.The Gas Car air intake ioniser was different.

Video Clip
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=186904601499443


I do not think that a Gas mix was vital for EPG to work, it was just a step stan went through to understand the technology.

I quote " this was just a basic example of the principle of how the epg was Developed"
He went from using a magnetic field to try to move the gas "
to just simply using laser to do it.

Quote" I am just using this as a example you can take any combination of gas there of to make the results with epg"

Quote " your not restricted to one method you can use any, I just want to show you this example so you understand the options to take it further"

KISS = Laser

Dan
www.securesupplies.biz

freethisone

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #69, on December 12th, 2013, 01:55 AM »Last edited on December 12th, 2013, 02:02 AM by freethisone
/watch?v=RnzWBCQDUXQ


its Al aka Maggnetflipper.


download and upload these vids. upload please.


this i add for Russ .:(  High DC volts at low low amp.. 1200 volts?

/watch?v=wR7c4iXum-A

Matt Watts

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #70, on December 12th, 2013, 10:25 AM »
Free, this video is the one I get upset about.  In order to build a Cathode Ray Tube and focus the beam onto the correct phosphorus pixel spot, it would be impossible to not notice the helical magnetic field produce by the coils in the yoke.  These would have to be compensated for to draw linear scan lines across the tube face.  So somebody has known about this phenomena for quite some time now--known so well that millions of television circuits designed and manufactured worldwide have this twisting compensated for.  Now that everything is flat panel, the new engineers of today probably have no clue about it.

freethisone

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #71, on December 12th, 2013, 06:17 PM »Last edited on December 12th, 2013, 06:18 PM by freethisone
Quote from Matt Watts on December 12th, 2013, 10:25 AM
Free, this video is the one I get upset about.  In order to build a Cathode Ray Tube and focus the beam onto the correct phosphorus pixel spot, it would be impossible to not notice the helical magnetic field produce by the coils in the yoke.  These would have to be compensated for to draw linear scan lines across the tube face.  So somebody has known about this phenomena for quite some time now--known so well that millions of television circuits designed and manufactured worldwide have this twisting compensated for.  Now that everything is flat panel, the new engineers of today probably have no clue about it.
I add the plasmatron, it was the plasmatron.  how do i obtain 5 times the output?

i tell you that we must either introduce ozone, or UV light. Or a air current, like Russ has done with his motor. what u get is the jacob latter,
/watch?v=0Vd7FV_UKCU

It is important to understand what we would be after, by any other means.
the out put increase desired.

by means of coils, magnets frequency, pulse timeS, HIGH VOLTAGE. GLASS TUBES..../watch?v=mT-94c1Q6Ms

ADD COILS, FIELD COILS, MIRROR ETC, GOOD LUCK.

/watch?v=A0OuTDHTDOw

Electric Hawk

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #72, on December 12th, 2013, 07:53 PM »
Don't know if this helps anyone but oxygen ionizes at 225nm found this searching online if it is wrong let me know seems legit.

http://m.iopscience.iop.org/0953-4075/26/19/006

Jeff Nading


securesupplies

3D Sketch UP Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #74, on January 6th, 2014, 06:38 AM »

Gas Gun 3d

Meyer Intake Ioniser 3d

Danial Dingle 3d


Hi I have put together a basic lay out for Daniel Dingles version of it ,
 some a meyer led bit added
 
if some one has skills to zoom this into
 sketchup or 3d

please try and post

also need the above three 3d items done

Attached

Gas Gun 3d

Meyer Intake Ioniser 3d

Danial Dingle 3d
Dan