#### Webmug

##### Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
Quote from Matt Watts on March 21st, 2017, 02:05 PM
It's going to be up there yes Webmug.  These waves move at Pi/2 * C, but how they actually form what appears to be standing waves is outside my comprehension at the moment.  The Tesla Hairpin or Stout Bars experiment shows us fairly distant nodes.  Taking this design and modifying it to look like Stan's VIC will probably give us the node spacing we are after.  First we need a method to measure, then an apparatus to measure and lastly begin changing variables to shorten the node length down to the gap size.  I'm working on a PLL controlled, capacitive discharge driven coil system at the moment in hopes I can see and relate to everyone what I think is going on here.  I'm really hoping to discover this process is fairly simple and straightforward in principal even if the implementation is more difficult than I thought.  Once we all know what to do, then we can each work on a method of how to do it.  If this takes us back to how Stan did it, so be it, that's actually the best answer.  The goal here is in the title:

"Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
Something interesting: http://www.resonantfractals.org/PCC/Dipole.html
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Since one of the tubes in the cell is smaller in dimension, one of the coils must be made adjustable to balance this, and keep the voltage nodes on the tubes.
It should also be noted that in electromagnetic work while the electron current and magnetic field rise very slowly in coils with high capacitance,
the voltage or electric field can operates near light velocities in a coil with no or very low capacitance.

If the wires are the same length, on both sides, the wave front will arrive at both tubes simultaneously. The water will receive the radiant energy pulse.
Distilled water has a velocity factor of [0.11] talk about slowing down the radiant energy wave!
186,000 * .11 =  20,460 miles per second!
With this in mind we now examine a well known circuit in the alternate energy circles.
If someone can tell me were to find or calculate the velocity factor of water (rain)

Some thoughts calculating this to coil lengths: for a coil @14kHz SRF (resonance)
20460 / 14000 miles second to meters second = 2351.9413 meters second
2351.9413 / 4 = 587.985325m wire length quarter wave.

...maybe there is a relation?

Injector VIC choke 715ft = 217.93m , wavelength =1376.57kHz
Injector VIC secondary 26000ft = 7924.8m, wavelength=37.85kHz

This should be a TEM wave but the LMD wave is always present  in very low quantity between the coil wires etc. but its there at SRF (self-inductance, self-capacitance)? According to Erik Dollard.

~webmug

#### nav

##### Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
Quote from Webmug on April 3rd, 2017, 07:20 AM
Something interesting: http://www.resonantfractals.org/PCC/Dipole.html
If someone can tell me were to find or calculate the velocity factor of water (rain)

Some thoughts calculating this to coil lengths: for a coil @14kHz SRF (resonance)
20460 / 14000 miles second to meters second = 2351.9413 meters second
2351.9413 / 4 = 587.985325m wire length quarter wave.

...maybe there is a relation?

Injector VIC choke 715ft = 217.93m , wavelength =1376.57kHz
Injector VIC secondary 26000ft = 7924.8m, wavelength=37.85kHz

This should be a TEM wave but the LMD wave is always present  in very low quantity between the coil wires etc. but its there at SRF (self-inductance, self-capacitance)? According to Erik Dollard.

~webmug
That would put the wavelength for the secondary on the popular 5 coil VIC at 1200m, a quarter wave being 300m and the resonant frequency would be 250Khz. But inductors of this nature will self resonate in phase when pulsed with a sub harmonic of the 4th degree or even further.
You also have to account for the colinear effect of three series resonant occilators in the same circuit where the wavelength may be additive, in which case a quarter wave would be 900m and the total incident wave of 3600m, which is 83khz. That sounds more in the ball park for us because we can easily hit that frequency with a sub harmonic.
But take note of what Dollard says because Tesla hit upon the same thing. Inductors like to be short circuited and capacitors like to be open circuited, if you place a capacitor in the self induction loop of a inductor or place an inductor in the self capacitance loop of capacitor, both actions go against what each component wants to do and you force the circuit into subspace where normal rules don't apply, we see that the dielectric componant manifests itself away from the self inductance and vice versa, both taking short cuts in the process.

#### Webmug

##### Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
Quote from ~Russ on February 27th, 2017, 03:44 PM
I was able through friends and favors to get 2 new sets of Flat VIC cores to test,

attached is the PDF's of each material type.

more testing and coil wrapping in due time...

~Russ
Maybe you can also post a measurement of the inductances with those cores.

http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=1961.msg29772#msg29772 (last three attachments)

~webmug

#### ~Russ

##### Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
I can do that, and will do that, once i get my coils done ill take measurements for all of them!

i will add them to my on going spreed sheet

~Russ

#### HMS-776

##### Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
I haven't worked on the WFC or been on  the forums for a while now.

Looks like things have slowed down.

Was there ever a consensus made on whether all coils have to be on the same core?

I thought that Ronnie had his chokes on a seperate core but after a couple hundred hours of testing I gave up. I bought a large U core to build a VIC that can have all coils in the same core, but in order to do it I had to change some things in the design, so I never built it. R

Since then I've been working other hobbies.

#### Webmug

##### Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
Quote from HMS-776 on April 11th, 2017, 05:59 PM
I haven't worked on the WFC or been on  the forums for a while now.

Looks like things have slowed down.

Was there ever a consensus made on whether all coils have to be on the same core?

I thought that Ronnie had his chokes on a seperate core but after a couple hundred hours of testing I gave up. I bought a large U core to build a VIC that can have all coils in the same core, but in order to do it I had to change some things in the design, so I never built it. R

Since then I've been working other hobbies.
We all know this WFC "hobby" takes a lot of our time but we eventually will solve this. Dont give up!!

You mentioned you had calculated your VIC to match the WFC...if you want to share your latest notes maybe we can take a look at it...

It may look like things have slowed down at the moment but we need to take little steps to understand the WFC mode of operation practical and theoretical way.

You may know that my focus is on the 5 coils, flat U-core VIC and 10 series WFC array. Im not going offtrack redesigning the VIC and WFC but keeping it ontrack using the known specs from Dynodon and from the TB.

Dont give up yet!

~webmug

#### nav

##### Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
Look at the hairpin thread, some progress on there.

#### Webmug

##### Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
Quote from nav on April 12th, 2017, 08:43 AM
Look at the hairpin thread, some progress on there.
That thread is totally not following Meyers TB.
Good luck!

~webmug

#### ~Russ

##### Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
one day at a time. it seems we all only have so much time.

i'm still in it to win it... just doing what i can when i can one day at time...

yes, do share any notes, we might be able to get something done...

we keep sharing and teaching we will get there.

I still have faith!
~Russ

#### HMS-776

##### Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
I'll look through my notes from where I left off a few months back and explain what my next vic plans were.

I do remember that I bought a large powdered iron U core with a low AL value, I designed a vic using a different wire size that would give me similar turns ratios and resistances.

Not sure how much wfc work I'll do this summer as I've got summertime hobbies that keep me outside for the most part....Maybe I should build a table on wheels so I can take my wfc work outside lol?

##### Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
Where can I find those type of iron powder cores?

thank you.

#### nav

##### Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
Quote from Webmug on April 12th, 2017, 09:43 AM
That thread is totally not following Meyers TB.
Good luck!

~webmug
I think you'll find it's more related than you think it is.

#### HMS-776

##### Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
Micrometals has powdered iron cores.

Not sure if they'll work though as powdered iron does not have as wide a bandwidth as ferrite.

I know Stan had those cores made for a reason, but as we all know they are very brittle not to mention impossible to buy off the shelf.

#### HHO-Dan

##### Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
Micrometals dose not have any cores that look like they will work.

Kinda sad after 2 years there is not a standard core we can use... No wonder no one is here.

If we are going to use a single gaped core we all need to use the same one.
There was one a few months ago that looked good..... (Thanks X-blade The U60x55x15 C core looks like a good core)
Not to fat and lots of space.

If GPS says it will work we should all get one.....

Helo GPS........

..... Dan .........

#### CaptainPlanet2018

##### Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
This explains what stan meyer is trying to accomplish. charging steam so it can be ignited.

From tesla3.com

However before we discuss Cavity QED, we first need to examine history. In 1840, Lord Armstrong observed that when steam escaped from boilers an electrical charge was produced. This phenomenon was termed steam electricity. Faraday conducted extensive research into the phenomenon at the time. That was that for about 120 years, then in 1969, interest in steam electricity was renewed because of explosions caused by the ignition of vapors during the washing of oiler tankers with steam jets. Steam electricity is supposedly explained by the bubbles nucleated in the boiling of water droplets, behaving like resonant quantum electrodynamic (QED) cavities. During bubble growth as the bubble cavity resonance coincides with vacuum ultraviolet frequencies, the water molecules on the bubble walls dissociate by cavity QED into hydronium H3O+ and hydroxyl OH- ions. Available hydronium ions are repulsed from the positive charged bubble surface and tend to the center of the bubble forming a positive charged vapor; whereas, the available hydroxyl ions are attracted to the bubble surface. Bursting of the bubbles at the surface of the droplet produces positive charge steam and negative charged droplets. Scientists at the time figured out that the explosions only occurred when pure water was used in the steam jets. By adding a little olive oil to the water, they altered the PH and the steam could no longer hold a charge, so the explosions stopped occurring. In theory, if its good enough for blowing up ships, it should be good enough for running an engine. Steam electrification caused by the separation of hydronium and hydroxyl ions in bubbles is commonly observed in atmospheric electricity, thundercloud electrification, waterfall electricity and the Leidenfrost phenomenon.