PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work

~Russ

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #50, on August 8th, 2016, 11:30 AM »
PJ, jsut like the rest of us, we started where you are now,

just keep learning and when the timing is right you will be where we are. thats the best advice i can give you is don't give up, be open, and stay positive!

see my Quote below:

~Russ

Matt Watts

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #51, on August 8th, 2016, 12:13 PM »
Quote from ~Russ on August 8th, 2016, 11:29 AM
Just FYI, this is what SM was doing or claimed to do... make DC on the output of the VIC going to the cell. the coil config was the major component to his achievements. the single diode was used however but it was between the output chokes...  and not on the output...

just something to think about,.
Oh I have thought about it alright.  It's becoming clearer every day what we have been missing.  Really starting to look like things have been right under our nose the whole time, we just didn't know to look for it.

Take that single diode and replace it with a synchronous rectifier where the internal resistance is nearly zero and big things would probably appear like magic.


PJ

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #52, on August 8th, 2016, 12:56 PM »
Quote from ~Russ on August 8th, 2016, 11:30 AM
PJ, jsut like the rest of us, we started where you are now,

just keep learning and when the timing is right you will be where we are. thats the best advice i can give you is don't give up, be open, and stay positive!

see my Quote below:

~Russ
Hey thanks Russ
I'm well and truly on the journey and as you say its all about learning. It feels good to be involved and trying to do something positive  and good :)
I have contacted my old friend who has an electronics background and he is going to have a look at what I have been doing and lend some ideas.  Will see what we come up with
All good
PJ
Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #53, on August 17th, 2016, 05:06 AM »
I have had my friend over to see what I am doing.  He has a great amount of electronics knowledge and doesn't see anything especially interesting going on with the coil I have made and the testing being done.

He generally does not believe 'free energy' is achievable so I don't have anything overly positive to report today.

I did a minor ac dimmable lightbulb test and the bulb stayed lit more constantly through a broad range of frequencies compared to using the large Daniel Nunez coil which was interesting but not overly earth shattering:P

I will likely divert my research to start looking at the Magrav system which has piqued my intetest at the moment so this coil work will likely be parked for a while until the next wave of inspiration hits :)
Cheers
PJ

~Russ

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #54, on August 18th, 2016, 12:46 PM »
Quote from PJ on August 17th, 2016, 05:06 AM
I have had my friend over to see what I am doing.  He has a great amount of electronics knowledge and doesn't see anything especially interesting going on with the coil I have made and the testing being done.

He generally does not believe 'free energy' is achievable so I don't have anything overly positive to report today.

I did a minor ac dimmable lightbulb test and the bulb stayed lit more constantly through a broad range of frequencies compared to using the large Daniel Nunez coil which was interesting but not overly earth shattering:P

I will likely divert my research to start looking at the Magrav system which has piqued my intetest at the moment so this coil work will likely be parked for a while until the next wave of inspiration hits :)
Cheers
PJ
thats what you get when some one that is expecting nothing odd with a coil.

i'm really surprised that he stated that,

Viking here on the forums is highly educated in electronics and such in  IEEE 

I'm not 100% sure but I'm wondering if he also thinks the same that there is nothing interesting about this coil.

also i would stick to this before ever going to Magrav system. or anything related to that base foundation... my 2 cent's

Best!

~Russ 



Viking

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #55, on August 18th, 2016, 12:58 PM »Last edited on August 18th, 2016, 11:44 PM
In my opinion the vortex coil is still "alive" and interesting. My instinct and experience tells me that there is lot of unknown concepts that need to be understood before figuring out what the wanted situation in the coil should be and what the effects of this configuration is. Marko Rodin illudes to some of it in the information his giving, but otherwise there's not much to go after. But studying Teslas technologies will most certainly give some clues.
I generally think that our "understanding" of the underlying mechanisms behind electronics and even chemistry is generally wrong, and because of this it can be very very very hard to crasp what is going on..
Quite a sad situation actually since the future of mankind may well depend on getting our act together and starting to understand these basic matters.

~Russ

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #56, on August 18th, 2016, 02:14 PM »
Quote from Viking on August 18th, 2016, 12:58 PM
In my opinion the vortex coil is still "alive" and interesting. My instinct and experience tells me that there is lot of unknown concepts that need to be understood before figuring out what the wanted situation in the coil should be and what the effects of this configuration is. Marko Rodin illudes to this in the information his giving, but otherwise there not much to go after. But studying Teslas technologies will most certainly give some clues.
I generally think that out "understanding" of the underlying mechanisms behind electronics and even chemistry is generally wrong, and because of this it can be very very very hard to crasp what is going on..
Quite a sad situation actually since the future of mankind may well depend on getting our act together and starting to understand these basic matters.
yeah we have basic principles and thats understanding gets us by int he every day engineering world,

but anything past that is a guess, our guess to find out what else there is...

there is more " rules" to wright. just as you can see in the Quantum Mechanics world.

the smart phones we used every day are a proof of concept in this idea of new rules.

if we did not "make" or "discover" new things but instead just relied on our old understanding then we will be plugging in cords to make calls :)

~Russ

PJ

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #57, on August 18th, 2016, 02:41 PM »
Quote from ~Russ on August 18th, 2016, 12:46 PM
also i would stick to this before ever going to Magrav system. or anything related to that base foundation... my 2 cent's

Best!

~Russ
Ok Ill keep with it for a bit.
I've just got to work and have a busy morning so will post some ideas / thoughts tonight.

Cheers
PJ
Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #58, on August 19th, 2016, 02:35 AM »
Ok I have some time so will get down some thoughts:

1/ Anyone got simple tests they want me to try with my coil ?
If you do please consider I have limited electronics knowledge and will need pretty specific guidance on what to buy, how to connect and how to test.

2/ Does anyone know of an inexpensive device to create varible frequency alternating current from a dc source?
The coil seams to react best to ac and I'd like to see if I could power it from a battery - ideally I'd like to generate up to (and beyond) 40 000 Hz ac which is the best performance frequency I got off the wall power supply.

3/ Viewing the coil magnetic field using ferocell
I have a ferocell which is used to view magnetic fields - I haven't really tested it yet but I tbought of trying to place it on the coil to see the shape of the magnetic field at the hole.  It may look cool but is likely to be not overly useful so this would possibly just be a bit of fun to try.

4/  I'm thinking of trying to design / build a simplified version of this coil which would be a pretty close approximation but with 2 wires instead of 6 which would be easier to wind and connect.
 I  would be more inclined to create this new design if there are people on this forum that would be prepared to build and test it?

5/ Anyone know of a good high voltage device to test with the coil?  I've currently only been testing dimmable ac led lights which are typically low wattage and not much of a load test.
I think i could use a bridge rectifier to change the output to dc if necessary so if anyone has a good idea of a test device please send me the details of what to buy.

That is about where my thoughts are at.

Any ideas are welcome

PJ

Enrg4life

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #59, on August 19th, 2016, 11:05 AM »
How about a small motor,  or maybe a mercury vapor light bulb. Or an igniter for a gas grill or furnace spark igniter.

PJ

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #60, on August 19th, 2016, 12:19 PM »
Quote from Enrg4life on August 19th, 2016, 11:05 AM
How about a small motor,  or maybe a mercury vapor light bulb. Or an igniter for a gas grill or furnace spark igniter.
Thanks for the ideas

As the coil puts out ac I oeiginally went looking for an ac motor but those are generally expensive so I didn't look much further on motors - but I have a better understanding now of using a bridge rectifier to convert the ac to dc so I think I will try a couple of motors :)
I'll try some small ones then if they work I might look for something like a benchtop grinder

Ill get a mercury vapour light as well and give that a go.

Im less sure about the ignitors so might just start with the motors and bulb first.

Thanks again
PJ
Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #61, on August 19th, 2016, 12:36 PM »
I just looked up benchtop grinders from my local hardware and they have an inexpensive one thats 150W and uses an induction motor which I understand runs directly on ac so this sounds perfect to test :)
PJ

Matt Watts

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #62, on August 19th, 2016, 12:39 PM »Last edited on August 19th, 2016, 12:47 PM
You might consider using a stepper motor as your generator as Brad demonstrates here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5wO91szxHU

You won't get into the kilohertz range with this, but my understanding is these Rodin coils seem to work pretty well over a quite large frequency range.  If your little DC motor can spin fast enough, you can get frequencies way higher than line frequency.  Just keep in mind your output voltage will also increase.

PJ

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #63, on August 19th, 2016, 12:53 PM »
Quote from Matt Watts on August 19th, 2016, 12:39 PM
You might consider using a stepper motor as your generator as Brad demonstrates here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5wO91szxHU
Thanks Matt
If I get the grinder motor going I might look into this.
I can currently light dimmable ac led lights directly from the coil so I'm not exactly sure of the benifit of going from coil to motor to stepper motor to lights?
PJ

Matt Watts

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #64, on August 19th, 2016, 01:02 PM »Last edited on August 19th, 2016, 01:04 PM
Quote from PJ on August 19th, 2016, 12:53 PM
I can currently light dimmable ac led lights directly from the coil so I'm not exactly sure of the benifit of going from coil to motor to stepper motor to lights?
My thought was simply using Brad's setup as your signal injector into your Rodin coil.  It would give you a pretty strong input and somewhat variable frequency.  Much cheaper and easier than having a high-dollar amplifier.  Plus, with a rotating device like this, you'll be able to hear when the coil loads up the generator or actually makes the generator run faster.

Then if you rectify and filter your coil output power, you'll have DC on both ends for making power measurements to see if you are progressing in the right direction or not.  You can use a string of lights in series for whatever voltage range you are seeing exiting the Rodin coil.

You can also add capacitors in series or parallel between this generator and the Rodin coil to get to a resonant condition.  That's where I suspect you'll start seeing some good gains.

PJ

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #65, on August 19th, 2016, 02:21 PM »
Thanks again Matt
This sounds interesting but a bit complex for where my knowledge is currently at.
Ill start simple and as my knowledge improves I might have a crack at what you have suggested
PJ

Enrg4life

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #66, on August 20th, 2016, 11:22 AM »
Quote from PJ on August 19th, 2016, 12:19 PM
Thanks for the ideas

As the coil puts out ac I oeiginally went looking for an ac motor but those are generally expensive so I didn't look much further on motors - but I have a better understanding now of using a bridge rectifier to convert the ac to dc so I think I will try a couple of motors :)
I'll try some small ones then if they work I might look for something like a benchtop grinder

Ill get a mercury vapour light as well and give that a go.

Im less sure about the ignitors so might just start with the motors and bulb first.

Thanks again
PJ
You might keep your eye out for equipment that people through out because it does not work. Things like paper shredders, small water pumps and office equipment. much of the time the motors get jammed and you can free them up and use them for your experimenting

PJ

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #67, on August 21st, 2016, 02:49 PM »
I've done a bit of thinking and have decided that what I am going to do is work to my strengths which is figuring out how to design and build these complex coils.

I will either redesign my current 36 x 45 coil so that it is two wires (currently 6) and very similar design / proportions etc., or more likely I may take on the challenge of designing and building the third level phi torus which is 36 x 99, but redesigned for two wires.

I'll likely start a new thread for this.

The journey continues

PJ
Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #68, on August 22nd, 2016, 03:49 AM »
Ok I have just done a series of dimension tests for setting up a 36 x 99 phi torus and the formers are ending up at 200mm or so diameter which is too big for my printer so it  looks like I will be adjusting my current 36 x 45 phi torus for two wires.
Will work on this Thusday night
PJ