PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work

PJ

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #25, on July 30th, 2016, 05:33 AM »Last edited on July 30th, 2016, 05:35 AM
Ok three wires wound - pretty tricky but getting there.
I think this will look pretty amazing :)
Tough project
Here are a couple of photos
PJ

Lynx

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #26, on July 30th, 2016, 10:24 AM »
Very nice :thumbsup2:

PJ

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #27, on July 30th, 2016, 01:18 PM »
Hey thanks Lynx :)
PJ
Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #28, on July 31st, 2016, 03:31 AM »
Fourth wire in
Bit too tired to do more tonight
Will try finish the other two tomorrow
PJ
Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #29, on August 1st, 2016, 05:06 AM »Last edited on August 1st, 2016, 05:08 AM
Ok 6th wire in
This looks very cool
Has to be one of the toughest most amazing looking things I've ever designed and built
Still a long way to go wth connecting / soldering all the wires but getting there :)
PJ

~Russ

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #30, on August 1st, 2016, 08:37 AM »
you did it! Congrats!!!!

also you did not twist your wires... ( i also want to try this)  this will give you some different properties than the twisted ones. I'm looking forward to seeing what you do!

it looks really good! wires look straight and orderly, some fine work!!!!!

now the wires... ( my least favorite part)

~Russ

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #31, on August 1st, 2016, 08:39 AM »
so you have 6 coil Bundles. Each go through the hole 4 times right?
~Russ

PJ

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #32, on August 1st, 2016, 11:20 AM »
Quote from ~Russ on August 1st, 2016, 08:37 AM
you did it! Congrats!!!!

also you did not twist your wires... ( i also want to try this)  this will give you some different properties than the twisted ones. I'm looking forward to seeing what you do!

it looks really good! wires look straight and orderly, some fine work!!!!!

now the wires... ( my least favorite part)

~Russ
Hey thanks Russ
Yes wires are straight - couldn't use the electric drill as it would wake the baby :P
I ran the wires between two hooks then used some zip ties to hold the bundle together - worked well.
Then LOTS of zip ties used to hold the wire bundles to the framework - that took some doing.
I like the idea of straight wires as this may work better based on Ed Leedskalnins theory of Magnetic Current - whereby energy / 'north or south magnets' moves forward in a clockwise rotational path around the wires and when the wire becomes 'overcrowded' the magnets leave the wire at 90 degrees - heading in the direction of the neighbouring wires which are throwing off the oposite type of magnet towards it which I believe then sets up a new energy path (of North and South magnets) running either outside or inside the coil (ie creates a magnetic field) - this may or may not work better than if the wire bundles are twisted together.
Yes connecting the wires is up next - I have a reasonable soldering iron but it struggles to solder the twisted connections - am thinking of trying to heat the twisted connections with mini blow torch then dab it with solder.....hopefully this will work
PJ
Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #33, on August 1st, 2016, 11:56 AM »
Quote from ~Russ on August 1st, 2016, 08:39 AM
so you have 6 coil Bundles. Each go through the hole 4 times right?
~Russ
Yes that is correct
Each bundle I intend to set up as a single wire (looping through the coil 24 times)
Not planning to split half the wire bundles to make a loop / core - did this on the last small coil I made (36 x 9) which looked to have no real benifit.
Three of the wire bundles will be connected to the amps positive (north magnets) and three to the negative (south magnets) and I will try offset the connections to match the math as close as possible.
This will I hope lead to a coil design that very closely matches the math and built to close phi proportions......then to test if it will be a good collector of Ed's magnets........
I will be honest - I have a very basic knowledge of electricity and very basic testing setup so I won't be able to do the kind of thorough testing you can do.
I may ask you for some testing ideas that you would like me to try.
I am hoping that I get some positive results and if they are good enough then someone else on this forum with better knowledge and testing skills can make one of these coils and put it through some more serious testing :)
Also - just on my favouring Ed Leedskalnins writing on Magnetic Current - I have done a fair bit of research on Ed's work which had involved analysing his'flywheel' which resulted in me building a device based on the flywheel.  When spun by hand I could create / collect about 30 volts alternating current and light an ac led globe etc.
Unfortunstely I dropped and shattered the ring containing the magnets when I was building version two so this project is currently in pieces and is unlikely to be rebuilt soon given my current work on the coil.
I will likely create another thread and post photos and video links showing what I did and how Ed's theory applied to the device.
PJ
Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #34, on August 2nd, 2016, 04:10 AM »
First wire bundle now connected / soldered - 5 to go......very tedious task but hopefully the next one will be quicker
PJ

~Russ

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #35, on August 2nd, 2016, 02:46 PM »
sounds Good PJ,

some fine work.

~Russ

PJ

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #36, on August 4th, 2016, 03:28 AM »Last edited on August 4th, 2016, 03:30 AM
Phew.....4 down and 2 to go.....nearly done!
PJ

~Russ

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #37, on August 4th, 2016, 10:39 AM »
so much work :)

PJ

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #38, on August 5th, 2016, 04:42 AM »Last edited on August 5th, 2016, 04:43 AM
Done! :))))
Well I must say I am pretty happy to have designed and built this amazing looking torus!
This is as close to Marko Rodins math as I can make it and close to the Phi proportions as shown in Tom Barnetts Phi Torus you tube video.
So the hope is that this shape /design will closely match how energy / electricity / magnetic current flows in nature and as a result the energy required to start and run the torus will be less than the energy captured ie. 'overunity' is achieved.
I have a couple of ideas on how to test the torus and will make a start tomorrow night.
Initially I will test a large Daniel Nunez coil and see how my coil compares for voltage spikes etc.  Then I have a couple of different wiring configurations I want to test.
As I have mentioned I don't have extensive knowledge in electronics / electricity but I will do my best to do some good testing and hopefully show some good results.
I have a friend with an electronics background who may be able to lend a hand.
Here is to having a crack at doing something good!
Cheers
PJ

Enrg4life

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #39, on August 5th, 2016, 05:27 AM »
Wow, nice work!

Lynx

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #40, on August 5th, 2016, 06:39 AM »
That looks very nice PJ, mucho kudos :thumbsup:

PJ

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #41, on August 5th, 2016, 03:06 PM »
Thanks guys
PJ

Matt Watts

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #42, on August 6th, 2016, 11:34 PM »
Quote from PJ on August 5th, 2016, 03:06 PM
Thanks guys
PJ
Yes, very impressive.  A true work of art.

You know what it means however...

If you cannot coax this beauty of yours to perform, we may be at the end of the line.  I surely don't have a single idea what could be changed to improve upon it.

PJ

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #43, on August 7th, 2016, 05:10 AM »Last edited on August 7th, 2016, 05:14 AM
Hey thanks Matt :)
Right well I undertook my first round of tests tonight.
For this test I have a signal generator into an amp with amp outputs wired into the coil and multimeter measuring voltage spikes.
I tested a Daniel Nunez POE Large coil first writing down the results then tested my 36 x 45 Phi coil.
Daniels coil had highest Hz of 11099Hz with volts at 295.9v, supply watts to amp 41.4 watts and amp volume turned down 37 'clicks'.  If I turn volume up volts increases beyond what my multimeter can test for so I don't know what max volts is at max amp volume.
For my coil the first wiring configuration I used was to connect amp out positive to x 3 wires (in) and amp negative to the remaining x 3 wires (in) and put the multimeter on the x 3 wires (out) for both positive and negative. Ie x 3 of the coil wires shared the amp positive and x 3 of the coil wires shared the amp negative.
This configuration tested poorly - there were NO voltage spikes at any frequency :(
Then I decided to try a second wiring configuration whereby the amp out is connected to a single coil wire - the output of this wire feeds into a second wire whos output feeds into a third wire whos output goes to the multimeter.
With this configuration I got voltage spikes!
Highest Hz of 40192Hz, 258.0V, 29.0 watts supply to amp and amp volume down 12 clicks!  The supply watts at 29 was way down at what the amp uses at low frequencies and low voltage spikes!
I think this is pretty significant.
The next tests I plan to do will be to hook up some alternating current dimmable lights and see what happens to supply watts if / when the lights brighten and at what frequency etc.
It may be a couple of days until I can do this test as I need to keep my fiancee happy and have some wedding plans to attend to :)
I will attach some photos of the testing setup and the results achieved.
Cheers
PJ

Matt Watts

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #44, on August 7th, 2016, 03:14 PM »
Quote from PJ on August 7th, 2016, 05:10 AM
It may be a couple of days until I can do this test as I need to keep my fiancee happy and have some wedding plans to attend to :)
Not everyone has a spouse as supportive as Russ--just let her know this is who you are and what you will be working on.  She needs to know this is important work, not only for you personally, but for a lot of other people that have a gut feeling things aren't always what they appear.

Good luck with all and do keep in touch.

M@

PJ

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #45, on August 7th, 2016, 06:16 PM »
Hey Matt
Thanks for your comments.
What I will take from them is you like what I am doing and you want to see more :)
I'm doing the best I can.
I am hoping for help with this work hense why I am on this site.
I would be very greatful if you or someone with your skills and knowledge tried to build this coil design as I believe you may have more skills at testing it and have more success than I at moving it forward.
The 3D print files are available on an earlier post for any to try.
My tboughts on this first round of testing i have done is that the separate x 6 wires may not be critical to the best performance of this coil - mainly because there was no voltage spikes when the wiring was set up in parallel.   When the wires were in series that was when I got the spikes and good results which in my mind means that a simplified version of this coil that matches as close as possible the size, proportion  and wire spacing would be easier to bulid and possibly perform just as well - I will likely try design this simplified version at some stage but this will likely be after I have exhausted testing of my current coil.
PJ

Matt Watts

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #46, on August 7th, 2016, 09:51 PM »
Quote from PJ on August 7th, 2016, 06:16 PM
I would be very greatful if you or someone with your skills and knowledge tried to build this coil design as I believe you may have more skills at testing it and have more success than I at moving it forward.
I've been studying Graham Gunderson's Magnetic Implosion Transformer as of late.  I have a sneaking hunch with the right drive mechanism, these Rodin coils will take off like a shot.  A curious thing Graham said in his conference presentation is in regards to DC biasing of a transformer, particularly on the output side.  He posed the question, "Can DC get through a transformer?  Or only AC?"  Everyone said only AC.  I immediately could see where he was going with this.  Lenz Law is assumed to be active when both the input and output of a transformer is AC, but what happens if the output is modified to be DC?  Seems to me, the Lenz effect would no longer have a means to get back to the primary side of the transformer--it's stuck on the secondary and trapped.

So then Graham goes on about magnetically biasing the core and finally he brings up the topic of Synchronous Rectification.  Bingo!  That may be the trick 007 used.

I'm still having a bit of difficulty wrapping my head around how one would create a DC circuit on the secondary side of a transformer, but it is clear to me if it can be done, Lenz is completely out of the picture.  We could then excite the primary and it would never see the load we apply to the secondary.  Essentially, the secondary would no longer change the inductance that causes the primary to draw more amperage.  And in a Rodin setup, the primary would free-wheel continuously, regardless of the load we apply to the secondary.  As for DC bias...  A couple of powerful magnets placed in just the right location within or around the coil...   We could be off to the races here if we can just figure out the electronics necessary to make this work.

Anyway, that's what has me on the sidelines of building one of these Rodin coils at the moment.  Once I figure out a means to drive and harness the coil properly, I'll be in the pool with you guys.  Need to let the thoughts bake in the oven for a while.  Hopefully the lightbulb will come on fairly soon.

M@

PJ

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #47, on August 7th, 2016, 10:24 PM »
Matt
Some interesting sounding ideas there of which I don't really understand any of the concepts :P
I see this for me as an advantage as I don't have many electrical 'laws' in place so I may try tests others would not as they may consider the 'laws' unbreakable / fixed.
I hope you do get to the point where you jump in as I am sure your ideas would be very helpful
PJ

~Russ

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #48, on August 8th, 2016, 11:25 AM »
Quote from Matt Watts on August 7th, 2016, 03:14 PM
Not everyone has a spouse as supportive as Russ--just let her know this is who you are and what you will be working on.  She needs to know this is important work, not only for you personally, but for a lot of other people that have a gut feeling things aren't always what they appear.

Good luck with all and do keep in touch.

M@
haha, well, as supporave as she is i sure do get my self in A LOT of trouble... just get up while she is sleeping and then sh never knows your gone, this is the only way i have EVER got me self our of trouble with the wife :)


happy wife happy life, just remember, Family is more important than this work. but... don't let that stop you :)

~Russ

Re: PJ's 36 x 45 Phi Torus Work
« Reply #49, on August 8th, 2016, 11:29 AM »
Quote from Matt Watts on August 7th, 2016, 09:51 PM
I'm still having a bit of difficulty wrapping my head around how one would create a DC circuit on the secondary side of a transformer,

M@
Just FYI, this is what SM was doing or claimed to do... make DC on the output of the VIC going to the cell. the coil config was the major component to his achievements. the single diode was used however but it was between the output chokes...  and not on the output...

just something to think about,. 

~Russ

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