Sample more output than input - H-CAT

geenee

Sample more output than input - H-CAT
« on March 23rd, 2014, 12:39 AM »Last edited on March 23rd, 2014, 07:27 AM


why is so simple?because it make a heat equal 1500-2000 Watts heater but use power lower than 300 watts.

free energy breakthought now!!!

thanks
geenee

Matt Watts

Re: Sample more output than input - H-CAT
« Reply #1, on March 24th, 2014, 12:47 AM »
Quote from geenee on March 23rd, 2014, 12:39 AM


why is so simple?because it make a heat equal 1500-2000 Watts heater but use power lower than 300 watts.

free energy breakthought now!!!
I probably should provide a little narrative for the folks that don't really know what they are looking at in this video.

What you have is a typical brute force plate cell, generating Hydroxy and pushing it through a bubbler then a flashback suppressor.  Same thing I use with my HHO torch set.  There's nothing fancy there.  In fact, you can get all that stuff from Mike at HHO Connection.  That's where I got my stuff and in the video, those components look identical.

What isn't so obvious is that the Hydroxy is being pumped into a reaction chamber.  But guess what?  You don't have to ignite the gas to generate any heat, it will do that all by itself.  In the video he keeps the reaction chamber cool with a forced air blower.  I will assure you this necessary.  If you don't cool the reactor chamber it will climb in temperature until it destroys itself.  If you have a good enough reactor, you could certainly melt lead or even aluminum with it.  Personally I would be a little cautious of taking the temperature that high as you would be asking for a flashback at some point.  You might also notice he uses a simple condenser tube of copper to collect the pure water.

What I would really like is to see the calorimeter data in BTUs compared with the wattage needed to drive the cell.  A simple temperature gauge with a very rough flow meter reading doesn't quite cut it with me.  What would be far better is to cool the reactor with water, pumped into a large vessel of known capacity and plot a temperature rise curve over time.  All of this should be well insulated and a baseline established.  Even better would be to a have a replica reactor heated with a standard electric heating element of known input/output and then compare the two plots.  Doing this kind of lab work and fully documenting everything would be a no-brainer to bring this experiment to the forefront.

geenee


LRTech

Re: Sample more output than input - H-CAT
« Reply #3, on March 24th, 2014, 07:45 AM »
Hi there,
I'm engineer/inventor!

I'm rebuilding my lab, here in USA, right now!
My last lab blew up, in Scandinavian back in 1984, when I ran in to, most likely an LENR phenomenon, splitting water with high voltage!
I was a kid, and did not understand what happened, so I left it alone for 30 years!

Anyway, I have some test ideas in regard to the H-CAT,
(And until I get my lab back up running)!

Is there anyone out there, with an working H-CAT, and the lap equipment, who can run some test for open source purpose?

Thanks, Lars

Axil

Re: Sample more output than input - H-CAT
« Reply #4, on March 24th, 2014, 11:52 AM »
Quote from Matt Watts on March 24th, 2014, 12:47 AM
What I would really like is to see the calorimeter data in BTUs compared with the wattage needed to drive the cell.  A simple temperature gauge with a very rough flow meter reading doesn't quite cut it with me.  What would be far better is to cool the reactor with water, pumped into a large vessel of known capacity and plot a temperature rise curve over time.  All of this should be well insulated and a baseline established.  Even better would be to a have a replica reactor heated with a standard electric heating element of known input/output and then compare the two plots.  Doing this kind of lab work and fully documenting everything would be a no-brainer to bring this experiment to the forefront.
Matt. what you really meant to say is as follows:

What you have is a typical brute force plate cell, generating Hydroxy and pushing it through a bubbler then a flashback suppressor. This is same thing used in a HHO torch set.  There's nothing fancy there.  In fact, you can get all that stuff  at HHO Connection. 

What isn't so obvious is that the Hydroxy is being pumped into a reaction chamber.  And you don't have to ignite the gas to generate any heat, it will do that all by itself.  In the video the experimenter  keeps the reaction chamber cool with a forced air blower.

This is necessary to keep the catalyst from melting.  If you don't cool the reactor chamber it will climb in temperature until it destroys itself.  If you have a good enough reactor, you could certainly melt lead or even aluminum with it. For safety sake, I would be a little cautious at taking the temperature that high as you would be asking for a gas combustion flashback at some point.  You might also notice he uses a simple condenser tube of copper to collect the pure water in a closed loop.

What I would really like is to see as the next step is the generation of calorimeter data in BTUs compared with the wattage needed to drive the cell.  A simple temperature gauge with a very rough flow meter reading doesn't quite cut it with me.  What would be far better is to cool the reactor with water, pumped into a large vessel of known capacity and plot a temperature rise curve over time.  All of this should be well insulated and a baseline established. 

Even better would be to a have a replica dummy reactor without the catalyst installed to keep everything basically the same but with a flame combustor of the HHO gas having been produced by an identical input power HHO production loading as the catalytic reactor. The non-catalytic reactor then heats the water coolant in an identical reactor setup and then the experimenter compares the two temperature plots.  Doing this kind of lab work and fully documenting everything would be a no-brainer to bring this experiment to the forefront especially if energy gain is recorded from catalytic activity.

geenee

Re: Sample more output than input - H-CAT
« Reply #5, on March 27th, 2014, 02:01 PM »Last edited on March 27th, 2014, 02:05 PM


he said 200 watts at this video.maintain 72 degree,very interesting?

from delvis11 (youtube's user).

thanks
geenee

Matt Watts

Re: Sample more output than input - H-CAT
« Reply #6, on March 27th, 2014, 04:33 PM »Last edited on March 27th, 2014, 04:40 PM
Quote from geenee on March 27th, 2014, 02:01 PM
from delvis11 (youtube's user).
That is Steve at greenfuelh2o.com the place where I bought all my stuff.  Steve and Sterling Allan have moved to testing in an insulated container to get better numbers of actual BTU output.  Trying to guess the exact flow rate of air moving across the reactor taking into consideration the barometric pressure, humidity and other factors would be extremely difficult to get precise data.

All that aside, it does appear there could be something to this H-Cat device.  Right now I'm not entirely convinced there is any overunity unless someone can prove there is LENR effects happening based on residue or other evidence of transmutation.

The problem I have with these sort of devices is the form the output energy comes in.  Heat is difficult to convert into other forms of energy, much more difficult than electricity.  Now if someone could fabricate an Electro-Cat that consumed Hydroxy and produced DC electricity in quantities exceeding what is required to make the Hydroxy, then we'd have something.
Re: Sample more output than input - H-CAT
« Reply #7, on March 28th, 2014, 05:43 PM »
Sterling mentioned to me that when testing in a controlled, insulated container, he is not seeing any indication of LENR.  He thinks this is due to the relatively low temperature of the reactor vessel, suggesting that higher temperatures would be needed to gain energy outside the normal conversions.

geenee

Re: Sample more output than input - H-CAT
« Reply #8, on March 28th, 2014, 09:38 PM »
Matt,water container did not heat?maybe insulated container cause cannot capture energy from outside.imho.

the interesting about H-Cat is "when flow hho to it without ignition,it will generate high heat.not ignite it like hho torch.


Matt Watts

Re: Sample more output than input - H-CAT
« Reply #9, on March 28th, 2014, 10:35 PM »
Quote from geenee on March 28th, 2014, 09:38 PM
Matt,water container did not heat?maybe insulated container cause cannot capture energy from outside.imho.

the interesting about H-Cat is "when flow hho to it without ignition,it will generate high heat.not ignite it like hho torch.
The water would heat, but it was well within unity readings--no different than an electric heater would have done.

Yes it is interesting no ignition source is necessary.  The Hydroxy naturally reacts to form back into water.  This says something about the gas being created, that it's not entirely stable.

Axil

Re: Sample more output than input - H-CAT
« Reply #11, on March 29th, 2014, 12:22 PM »
Polaritons are where over-unity in LENR come from. If the H Cat does not allow the polaritons to get to the surface of the catalyst, no over unity reaction will occur.

Rossi has his Cat and Mouse located in the same reactor enclosure where the Mouse can tickle the Cat. That means that polaritons can travel easily between their point of creation (HHO production) and the point of their activation, the surface of the catalyst.

Rossi’s reactor is packaged in one self-contained unit. All the HHO H Cats that have been constructed so far are all configured in two units connected by a hose. No over unity will occur unless these two units are combined into one unified enclosure where the HHO mouse can tickle the H Cat directly through polariton production.


geenee

Re: Sample more output than input - H-CAT
« Reply #12, on April 1st, 2014, 10:19 AM »Last edited on April 1st, 2014, 10:24 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRxi3IUhGGU#ws

possible LERN because only 5% of hho covert to water.output is greater than input if ignite hho left from H-CAT to use like heat source.

Anyway,i think H-CAT is the best heater now.

thanks
geenee