Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over

geenee

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #125, on January 11th, 2014, 06:36 AM »
cristian alba,great work.

you are the successed Luc's  replicator.hope you share your work and info.

thanks
geenee

gotoluc

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #126, on January 11th, 2014, 01:20 PM »
Quote from geenee on January 10th, 2014, 12:23 PM
Luc,do you test dc coupling with reactive power(motor and alternator)?if it didn't consume power from motor side then you will be right.maybe this reactive power work with alternator,imho.

hope you don't give up.

geenee
Hi geenee,

I have re-tested everything with the scope on DC coupling and I now see no real advantages as when I was first testing with AC coupling. There is a big difference in results from AC to DC coupling as far as scope math is concerned.

It's also clear that a plug in meter cannot calculate a 90 degrees phase shift power correctly. So results using just that need to be questioned.

My generator tests, appeared very good but it looks like the problem there was a transfer of power from my gens exciter field to the load and which by coincidence had no effect on the prime mover.
So two different things happening which made the results look good but now look like are not a real power gain after all.

Maybe reactive power can be used to an advantage if you had a circuit which would use the return cap discharges (at 45 degree) and convert it to mechanical power (like I thought my generator did) or shore it in a battery. But none of this is happening if using single phase grid. A 90 degrees phase shift for the single phase grid is like a short circuit and the wires just heat up.

That's where things are at this time.

Luc

Luc

Matt Watts

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #127, on January 11th, 2014, 01:24 PM »
Quote from geenee on January 11th, 2014, 06:36 AM
cristian alba,great work.

you are the successed Luc's  replicator.hope you share your work and info.
I'll second that Cristian.  Very good work.  That makes three now that can show reduced or negligible load increase to the prime mover when using a reactive load.

Cristian, you are very close to possibly looping.  Can you check your pulley sizes and ensure the frequency is correct from your output and add a transfer switch to cycle power back to the motor?  Even if it doesn't loop, I'd like to see another one-handed video of what it does do.

Thanks much.

gotoluc

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #128, on January 11th, 2014, 01:30 PM »
Quote from cristian alba on January 11th, 2014, 04:27 AM
hello everybody

 I am Cristian Alba and today I continue with another part of the project - Reactive power research-
This is my progress in the project

I got a motor, servo garage door one hundred ten watts, a home generator building, a servo motor 400w magnetic rotor, a 7.70 mf capacitor tank, one 11w the lamp and a power meter
Ok we check the motor powered directly from the mains and is easily observed that consumes 110w.
we check and note the power consumption same motor without generator . Now we check the generator and motor power consumption shown. Ok, if you connect the 11wati  lamp, note a slight increase in consumption.
That's all for now and thanks to Luc Choquette for opening this topic.    /watch?v=VLiEwfrxX7w
Bonjour  Cristian,

thanks for doing your tests in French for me to understand.

Do you have any way to measure RPM of you motor before and after the load is connected to your generator?

Is their a capacitor on the load connected to the generator?

Merci

Luc

Matt Watts

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #129, on January 11th, 2014, 01:52 PM »Last edited on January 11th, 2014, 02:19 PM by Matt Watts
Quote from gotoluc on January 11th, 2014, 01:20 PM
My generator tests, appeared very good but it looks like the problem there was a transfer of power from my gens exciter field to the load and which by coincidence had no effect on the prime mover.
Luc, I see a similar thing with my generator.  I think we need to strictly focus our effort using only a true induction (squirrel cage) motor as the generator.  Because the rotor has such an extremely low resistance I think this will force the power to go where we want it to.  It's like the experiment when you drop a magnet through a copper pipe and the magnet moves rather slowly.  If you tried to substitute the pipe for anything else, the effect (if any) would be much less.  What I'm thinking is the solid rotor of an induction motor behaves like the copper pipe.  It forces the magnetic field and subsequent eddy currents to react to it.  If you replaced the copper pipe with a coil of wire, the effect would diminish, much as the effect does with a wire wound rotor in a typical generator.

My hunch, thinking about Hob's "Reactive Impulse", is that we are creating huge current spikes within the rotor, but only if the resistance is low enough.  With the resistance of coils of copper wire, there is no way thousands of amps can pass through it without getting lost.  Even a 10th of an Ohm is too much resistance.  This is the same problem faced by those who have attempted building an N-Machine--low voltage with extremely high amperage.  You need the best conductors you can get.

cristian alba

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #130, on January 11th, 2014, 02:03 PM »Last edited on January 11th, 2014, 02:40 PM by cristian alba
Quote from geenee on January 11th, 2014, 06:36 AM
cristian alba,great work.

you are the successed Luc's  replicator.hope you share your work and info.

thanks
geenee
I think that is the purpose. Thanks Geenee
Quote from Matt Watts on January 11th, 2014, 01:24 PM
Quote from geenee on January 11th, 2014, 06:36 AM
cristian alba,great work.

you are the successed Luc's  replicator.hope you share your work and info.
I'll second that Cristian.  Very good work.  That makes three now that can show reduced or negligible load increase to the prime mover when using a reactive load.

Cristian, you are very close to possibly looping.  Can you check your pulley sizes and ensure the frequency is correct from your output and add a transfer switch to cycle power back to the motor?  Even if it doesn't loop, I'd like to see another one-handed video of what it does do.

Thanks much.
It is true . Engine speed is reduced slightly , but negligible. The voltmeter am a decrease of 3 volts to connect the generator to the load ( lamp 11 watts)

To achieve closed loop , in my case would be difficult if not impossible , because I use , as you well have assumed an asynchronous motor stator which Intrum work -load before electronically controlled 850 rpm . Now I turn it approx. 1800 rpm and frequency up to 127 V greatly tuned . So you have to look for a motor stator trivial to about 1500 rpm , and the same diameter as the one that I use now , so you can use the same 6-pole magnetic rotor . To get off frcventa already know , you should use a parallel circuit capacitor + inductor ( rejection circuit ) . It also resonate with rejection circuit , it would be impossible for me. Circuits series , we put in resonance, but parallel , none
I already tried to switch you say , but I still managed continuity , but some signs are seen . We continue believe .
Best Regard . cristi

Quote from gotoluc on January 11th, 2014, 01:30 PM
Quote from cristian alba on January 11th, 2014, 04:27 AM
hello everybody

 I am Cristian Alba and today I continue with another part of the project - Reactive power research-
This is my progress in the project

I got a motor, servo garage door one hundred ten watts, a home generator building, a servo motor 400w magnetic rotor, a 7.70 mf capacitor tank, one 11w the lamp and a power meter
Ok we check the motor powered directly from the mains and is easily observed that consumes 110w.
we check and note the power consumption same motor without generator . Now we check the generator and motor power consumption shown. Ok, if you connect the 11wati  lamp, note a slight increase in consumption.
That's all for now and thanks to Luc Choquette for opening this topic.    /watch?v=VLiEwfrxX7w
Bonjour  Cristian,

thanks for doing your tests in French for me to understand.

Do you have any way to measure RPM of you motor before and after the load is connected to your generator?

Is their a capacitor on the load connected to the generator?

Merci

Luc
Luc hello.
I do not have a tachometer viable (is broken 3 weeks ago), but as commented in the previous post, I have a control about the voltmeter and load variation is negligible. Moreover it may be noted hearing, the motor speed does not change dramatically regime

No, I did not put any capacitor on the generator yet, but my previous attempts would seem that I have little chance of working generator frequency (110-115 Hz)
 you like French? Ok, but I'm not French. Sorry
 With great respect for your work. cristi

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #131, on January 11th, 2014, 11:06 PM »
Hello again, Luc Matt and others
I recall (though I mentioned it) that it is very important tuning capacitor start motor. That's because, if you notice a microwave capacitor tank, it must be summed capacitor start motor to get XC = XL where XL is the reactance of the motor inductance and XC - + starting capacitor tank capacitor adjacent
That's what I wanted to say.
best. cristian

Matt Watts

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #132, on January 17th, 2014, 02:07 AM »
Here's another one guys:
http://midtechblackbox.com/

Sterling confirmed it is using a Q-Mo-Gen concept to harness energy beyond unity.

Wish it was in my price range.  If it was, I would get one and reverse engineer it for you all to take and run with.

spider

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #133, on January 18th, 2014, 07:02 AM »
Quote from gotoluc on January 11th, 2014, 01:20 PM
Quote from geenee on January 10th, 2014, 12:23 PM
Luc,do you test dc coupling with reactive power(motor and alternator)?if it didn't consume power from motor side then you will be right.maybe this reactive power work with alternator,imho.

hope you don't give up.

geenee
Hi geenee,

I have re-tested everything with the scope on DC coupling and I now see no real advantages as when I was first testing with AC coupling. There is a big difference in results from AC to DC coupling as far as scope math is concerned.

It's also clear that a plug in meter cannot calculate a 90 degrees phase shift power correctly. So results using just that need to be questioned.
...
Hi Luc. Just wondering if you tried putting an incandescent bulb in series with the kill-a-watt meter in order to see if there is an apparent increase in brightness when a load is applied to your generator?  Might not show up very well on camera but I would think it would be easily detected by the eye.
 

gotoluc

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #134, on January 18th, 2014, 10:52 AM »Last edited on January 18th, 2014, 11:26 AM by gotoluc
Quote from spider on January 18th, 2014, 07:02 AM
Quote from gotoluc on January 11th, 2014, 01:20 PM
Quote from geenee on January 10th, 2014, 12:23 PM
Luc,do you test dc coupling with reactive power(motor and alternator)?if it didn't consume power from motor side then you will be right.maybe this reactive power work with alternator,imho.

hope you don't give up.

geenee
Hi geenee,

I have re-tested everything with the scope on DC coupling and I now see no real advantages as when I was first testing with AC coupling. There is a big difference in results from AC to DC coupling as far as scope math is concerned.

It's also clear that a plug in meter cannot calculate a 90 degrees phase shift power correctly. So results using just that need to be questioned.
...
Hi Luc. Just wondering if you tried putting an incandescent bulb in series with the kill-a-watt meter in order to see if there is an apparent increase in brightness when a load is applied to your generator?  Might not show up very well on camera but I would think it would be easily detected by the eye.
Hi, I did better than that, I hooked up the scope to the motor
I posted this video Dec. 19 2013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yudbBBSS58

However, I think you are out of date on the research and here is the latest information.

To all who have not been following the forum topic at Overunity .com ...User id poynt99 has identified an error in my scope settings. I was using AC coupling in my scope probe settings when it should be set to DC coupling for correct power calculations. I'm not the only one that was doing this. Two other experimenters have said they were doing the same thing.
I've since re-tested everything with the scope on DC coupling and now see no real power gain or advantages in the circuit compared to when the scope was set to AC coupling. There is a big difference in results from AC to DC coupling as far as scope math is concerned.
It's also clear that a plug in watt meter cannot calculate a 90 degrees phase shift power correctly. So results using just that need to be questioned.
 
As for my generator tests, even though when my circuit was connected to the generator output and had no effect on the gen prime mover the energy source has been identified by user id TinMan. The power to my circuit was a transfer of power from the gens exciter field which coincided no effect back to the prime mover.
 
So two different things happening which made the results look good but now looks like there's no real power gain after all.
Maybe reactive power can be used to an advantage if you had a circuit that could use the return cap discharges (at 45 degree) and convert it to mechanical power (like I thought my generator was doing) or shore it in a battery. But none of this is happening if using single phase grid or gen. A 90 degrees phase shift for the single phase grid is like a short circuit and the wires just heat up.
 
That's where things are at this time. Sorry if you were not informed. In the future it would be best to use the link to the forum topic which are in the about tab under all my videos.  This way you would be the most up to date with the research.

All the best in your experiments

Luc

Matt Watts

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #135, on January 21st, 2014, 08:48 AM »Last edited on January 21st, 2014, 09:13 AM by Matt Watts
Okay, so can someone expand upon the following statements:
[attachment=4963]

I'm having a hard time understanding exactly what "ElectroMagnetic Field" is referring to.  Are we talking about something similar to radio waves versus ordinary electric current?

And phase being positive...?   Compared to what?

geenee

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #136, on January 21st, 2014, 03:26 PM »Last edited on January 22nd, 2014, 04:00 AM by geenee
sometings like bifilar coil??? problem of motor is BEMF.if you can lower Bemf to lowest value then force will be more positive.

bifilar coil work for against Bemf by using same coil in opposite field.

bemf try to be symmetric,tesla need asymmetric.maybe in motor side has to modify somethings.

electromagnatic field feedback from picture,it like imagination maybe mean alternator send electromagnatic field to motor to overcome Bemf.

bemf lower when motor run faster.inverter higher frequency that make Hi efficiency(90-95%) to convert 12vdc to 120vac.like 50khz is 90%efficiency but if use 70khz is 95% efficiency.Bemf is from coils when coil has full electromagnatic field then it will against back harder.we need charge magneticfield shorter and faster to lower Bemf.

just thought,imho.
geenee

Matt Watts

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #137, on January 21st, 2014, 04:53 PM »Last edited on January 21st, 2014, 05:14 PM by Matt Watts
What I was getting at is we assume electricity (missing the magnetic vector) is what flows through a wire.  With a motor/generator setup, we also assume that electricity flows from the generator to the motor.  Based on what I posted, that would be an entirely incorrect assumption if we want to loop this device.  So that must mean we can push something else through a wire--electromagnetic field (has both electric and magnetic vectors).

From everything I know about electromagnetic fields, I always assumed these to be radio waves.  Maybe that is partially correct.  And yes, these can also flow through wires, but they can do something electricity cannot, they can flow through just a single wire and not require a complete circuit.  So suppose we use a charge or Avremenko plug connected to a DC motor and then use the output of the generator to create the excitation needed to generate these electromagnetic fields (even though they may not be oscillating at radio frequencies).  Then we connect the output where these fields come from to the Avemenko plug.  Would we now break the symmetry and have a system capable of close-looped operation?  According to Tesla, the answer is yes, (provided I understand this well enough).

I'm going to make the assumption what bzg has showed us in his thread, is this cold electricity is half of the electromagnetic field (voltage); if we can gather in the other half (amperage), we should be able to make this work.  Maybe the voltage and amperage necessary is already there since it is capable of lighting a filament light bulb.  What I don't know is if the magnetic component still exists in the cold electricity.  Is it truly an electromagnetic field or just electricity?  If it can traverse a single wire and the energy extracted with a Avremenko plug, then we will have our answer.
RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #139, on January 24th, 2014, 08:52 AM »
Just received this message:
Quote from "Doug Myers"
I am sorry I have not contacted you yet it has been absolutely insane. The blackbox is not quite ready for release we are changing some of the electronics so that it will be operational at 100% upon its release. I promise that once it is ready you will be contacted for your purchase. At that time we will have video links for potential customers viewing.  We just want it fully operational before it goes out on the market it's only fair to our customers. I look forward to having you as a customer and starting a long term friendship.
Let's hope this doesn't turn out to be another Keshe-type delay that never ends.

firepinto

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #140, on January 24th, 2014, 08:57 AM »Last edited on January 24th, 2014, 08:58 AM by firepinto
Quote from Matt Watts on January 24th, 2014, 08:52 AM
Just received this message:
Quote from "Doug Myers"
I am sorry I have not contacted you yet it has been absolutely insane. The blackbox is not quite ready for release we are changing some of the electronics so that it will be operational at 100% upon its release. I promise that once it is ready you will be contacted for your purchase. At that time we will have video links for potential customers viewing.  We just want it fully operational before it goes out on the market it's only fair to our customers. I look forward to having you as a customer and starting a long term friendship.
Let's hope this doesn't turn out to be another Keshe-type delay that never ends.
I'm getting the feeling that a lot of these companies want the "Corporate company buy out" rather than customers.

Matt Watts

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #141, on January 24th, 2014, 09:09 AM »
Quote from firepinto on January 24th, 2014, 08:57 AM
I'm getting the feeling that a lot of these companies want the "Corporate company buy out" rather than customers.
That would certainly be a way to early retirement.  Have to ask yourself if you were in the same shoes, would you continue to get up at O'dark 30 every morning just to pay the bills.

firepinto

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #142, on January 24th, 2014, 09:19 AM »Last edited on January 24th, 2014, 09:20 AM by firepinto
Quote from Matt Watts on January 24th, 2014, 09:09 AM
Quote from firepinto on January 24th, 2014, 08:57 AM
I'm getting the feeling that a lot of these companies want the "Corporate company buy out" rather than customers.
That would certainly be a way to early retirement.  Have to ask yourself if you were in the same shoes, would you continue to get up at O'dark 30 every morning just to pay the bills.
Well I'd probably be one of those people that would die if I retired. lol I'd need something to do with my life.  Plus I wouldn't trust anyone would keep putting it to market rather than shelving it. :)

gotoluc

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #143, on January 24th, 2014, 09:23 AM »
Quote from Matt Watts on January 24th, 2014, 09:09 AM
Quote from firepinto on January 24th, 2014, 08:57 AM
I'm getting the feeling that a lot of these companies want the "Corporate company buy out" rather than customers.
That would certainly be a way to early retirement.  Have to ask yourself if you were in the same shoes, would you continue to get up at O'dark 30 every morning just to pay the bills.
I've predicted to Sterling that I would be surprised if even one device ever leaves their door.
When one chooses not to share how their device works so they can make profit first, it's very easy to buy them out, as that's what they are saying they want rather then to help change the world and be a hero.
Once the devil buys them out, all will be lost.

I hope I'm wrong but it's not looking like a good start

Luc

Matt Watts

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #144, on January 24th, 2014, 11:26 AM »
Quote from gotoluc on January 24th, 2014, 09:23 AM
I've predicted to Sterling that I would be surprised if even one device ever leaves their door.
When one chooses not to share how their device works so they can make profit first, it's very easy to buy them out, as that's what they are saying they want rather then to help change the world and be a hero.
Once the devil buys them out, all will be lost.

I hope I'm wrong but it's not looking like a good start

Luc
If I can figure a way to get one in my garage long enough to decipher how it works, all won't be lost.  I'll even accept donations once I have a simplified replication posted for you all to work with.  hehe  :)  Whether I can get one or not remains to be seen, but I will keep trying.

I have a hunch it is not all that complicated, just some little silly thing we are overlooking.

On the other hand, this could be nothing more than a scam to attract people to his website.  A bait-n-switch as they call it.  I guess the best we can do it take it day by day and see if there is any light at the end of the tunnel.

In the meantime, I need to make some cold electricity and try to run this motor with it.  :)

Jimboot

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #145, on January 25th, 2014, 12:06 AM »
Quote from Matt Watts on January 24th, 2014, 11:26 AM
Quote from gotoluc on January 24th, 2014, 09:23 AM
I've predicted to Sterling that I would be surprised if even one device ever leaves their door.
When one chooses not to share how their device works so they can make profit first, it's very easy to buy them out, as that's what they are saying they want rather then to help change the world and be a hero.
Once the devil buys them out, all will be lost.

I hope I'm wrong but it's not looking like a good start

Luc
If I can figure a way to get one in my garage long enough to decipher how it works, all won't be lost.  I'll even accept donations once I have a simplified replication posted for you all to work with.  hehe  :)  Whether I can get one or not remains to be seen, but I will keep trying.

I have a hunch it is not all that complicated, just some little silly thing we are overlooking.

On the other hand, this could be nothing more than a scam to attract people to his website.  A bait-n-switch as they call it.  I guess the best we can do it take it day by day and see if there is any light at the end of the tunnel.

In the meantime, I need to make some cold electricity and try to run this motor with it.  :)
I'll buy one. If it reaches the market


Matt Watts

Re: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #146, on February 12th, 2014, 09:49 PM »Last edited on February 12th, 2014, 10:03 PM by Matt Watts
More info on the BlackBox Power Station:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2014:02:09#MidTech_posts_first_Black_Box_Dominator_video
 
They can't loop it apparently, but you can clearly see in this image it has a motor and generator with a belt drive:

 
They are naming this particular unit the BlackBox Dominator.  Supposedly the motor/generator combination allows for faster charging, but again, it is not close-looped.  So...  Back to the drawing board everyone, doesn't look like Doug Myers has what we originally thought.  I'm sure the free advertising helped his sales some though, that's what counts right?  Somebody making a buck instead of changing the world.

geenee

Re: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #148, on February 21st, 2014, 01:49 PM »Last edited on February 21st, 2014, 04:33 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StdAc3FFQ6I#ws

Matt Watts,i think secret of QMOGEN is heavy flywheel,imho.but it need to speed up the big flywheel by using gear or belt ratio.simple as that.

thanks
geenee 

attached picture;excess energy from fly wheel.

haiqu

Re: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #149, on March 10th, 2014, 11:08 PM »
Quote from Matt Watts on December 10th, 2013, 05:51 PM
Delayed Lenz Effect activated by swinging the current 90 degrees away from the voltage using nothing more than a set of non-polarized capacitors and a transformer.  Isn't that cool.  Everything has been there right at our fingertips all along and we never thought to defy our masters.  Unbelievable.  We probably deserve a swift kick in the as$ for that.

Well, Tom Bearden has said for years we build these ridiculous electrical systems that kill the very dipole we create to get the energy out.  Maybe we can finally learn our lesson and start building electrical systems that don't do that anymore.  Seems smart to me.  Though I know our energy buddies aren't going to be very happy about that.  Trouble for them is, the horse has already left the barn.
As Thane said cynically in part 3 of his pub lecture video (sorry, no link at hand), they'll probably start charging for reactive power now.