ValyEnergiStar: Fact or Fiction?

Matt Watts

ValyEnergiStar: Fact or Fiction?
« on September 23rd, 2013, 06:05 PM »Last edited on November 13th, 2013, 02:15 PM by Matt Watts
ValyEnergiStar of Romania
http://valyenergistar.ro/




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTM_EQim5JE

What do you think guys, it this real or not?

If any of you have the ability to check this out in person, please let us know what you find out.

~Russ

RE: ValyEnergiStar: Most Convincing Motor/Generator Demonstration Yet
« Reply #1, on September 23rd, 2013, 06:56 PM »
Quote from Matt Watts on September 23rd, 2013, 06:05 PM
ValyEnergiStar of Romania
http://valyenergistar.ro/




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTM_EQim5JE

What do you think guys, it this real or not?

If any of you have the ability to check this out in person, please let us know what you find out.
Why is the wood it's sitting on go under the desk???

Only thing I can see except the transformer box... What's in it?

~Russ

Matt Watts

RE: ValyEnergiStar: Most Convincing Motor/Generator Demonstration Yet
« Reply #2, on September 23rd, 2013, 07:01 PM »Last edited on September 23rd, 2013, 07:06 PM by Matt Watts
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on September 23rd, 2013, 06:56 PM
Why is the wood it's sitting on go under the desk???

Only thing I can see except the transformer box... What's in it?
Let me look again about the wood.

The transformer?  Or is it a high voltage capacitor?

Don't know, but if I'm understanding the concept correctly, that device creates a phase shift between the large generator and the small motor so that motor operates strictly on reflected power instead of real power, making the system overunity.  At least that's how I understand it for the moment.
Damn.  Good eye Russ.  That could cook the goose right there.
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firepinto

RE: ValyEnergiStar: Most Convincing Motor/Generator Demonstration Yet
« Reply #3, on September 23rd, 2013, 07:26 PM »Last edited on September 23rd, 2013, 07:28 PM by firepinto
The board does seem suspect to me.  I don't hear much loading on the contraption  when he uses the power tools.  One thing I always wonder about people that have units like this, they never use them full time to reduce their own home utility bills.  Instead they are in a perpetual life of a demo unit all painted up nice.  

Quote from Matt Watts on September 23rd, 2013, 07:01 PM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on September 23rd, 2013, 06:56 PM
Why is the wood it's sitting on go under the desk???

Only thing I can see except the transformer box... What's in it?
Let me look again about the wood.

The transformer?  Or is it a high voltage capacitor?

Don't know, but if I'm understanding the concept correctly, that device creates a phase shift between the large generator and the small motor so that motor operates strictly on reflected power instead of real power, making the system overunity.  At least that's how I understand it for the moment.

*****.  Good eye Russ.  That could cook the goose right there.
Nice screen capture there.:cool:  Is that a shadow? or a big fat extension cord?? :dodgy:


Matt Watts


Jeff Nading

RE: ValyEnergiStar: Most Convincing Motor/Generator Demonstration Yet
« Reply #5, on September 23rd, 2013, 07:59 PM »
Quote from Matt Watts on September 23rd, 2013, 07:31 PM
Quote from firepinto on September 23rd, 2013, 07:26 PM
Nice screen capture there.:cool:  Is that a shadow? or a big fat extension cord?? :dodgy:
Looks like you fellows that still have good vision see the later.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:ValyEnergiStar_Self-Looped_Motor-Generator_System#Skeptics
I here you Matt, I missed the wood.:D

Lynx

RE: ValyEnergiStar: Most Convincing Motor/Generator Demonstration Yet
« Reply #6, on September 23rd, 2013, 09:03 PM »
Looks as though the legs goes through the board, which in turn is suspended in some band.
IMO what you see is the shadow the sun so graceously points out.
Even the box is elevated and has it's support and the board is also flush to the box.
So the cable is probably more centered under the board.






Matt Watts

RE: ValyEnergiStar: Most Convincing Motor/Generator Demonstration Yet
« Reply #7, on September 23rd, 2013, 09:14 PM »
Excellent detective work, though the conclusion sucks.  Sure would like to see one of these devices be real with no tricks.

Something to be gained by this thread--teaches us how to look for tricks, so in that respect it's still worthwhile to post.

BTW, what is the floor material?  Is it just rough concrete, dirt, sand or what?

firepinto

RE: ValyEnergiStar: Most Convincing Motor/Generator Demonstration Yet
« Reply #8, on September 24th, 2013, 05:59 PM »
Quote from Matt Watts on September 23rd, 2013, 09:14 PM
Excellent detective work, though the conclusion sucks.  Sure would like to see one of these devices be real with no tricks.

Something to be gained by this thread--teaches us how to look for tricks, so in that respect it's still worthwhile to post.

BTW, what is the floor material?  Is it just rough concrete, dirt, sand or what?
I was thinking dirt, which would be a good reason for boards under legs.  Another point I was going to make, usually when I see motors that huge in industrial applications, they need more than one belt to avoid slipping.  Those pulleys have 3 belt positions but they are used to go to different units.  The video didn't have any belt squeal at all.  I thought for sure the welder would of made some groaning.

Matt Watts

RE: ValyEnergiStar: Most Convincing Motor/Generator Demonstration Yet
« Reply #9, on September 25th, 2013, 12:34 AM »
I think what would nail this is if you could see the lights dim on the bench when he strikes an arc with the stick welder.  Unfortunately, I cannot see a camera angle where this is possible to detect.

adys15

RE: ValyEnergiStar: Most Convincing Motor/Generator Demonstration Yet
« Reply #10, on September 25th, 2013, 12:11 PM »
I talked to Valy and he said he want to patent the device,and then make a description on how it works,without technical details!

Matt Watts

RE: ValyEnergiStar: Most Convincing Motor/Generator Demonstration Yet
« Reply #11, on September 25th, 2013, 02:31 PM »
Quote from adys15 on September 25th, 2013, 12:11 PM
I talked to Valy and he said he want to patent the device,and then make a description on how it works,without technical details!
Thanks for checking into it.  What is your gut feeling about Valy?  Does he seem like he is an honest business person?

Did he at all offer to have you come see the device in person?

Jeff Nading

RE: ValyEnergiStar: Most Convincing Motor/Generator Demonstration Yet
« Reply #12, on September 25th, 2013, 02:35 PM »
Quote from adys15 on September 25th, 2013, 12:11 PM
I talked to Valy and he said he want to patent the device,and then make a description on how it works,without technical details!
So the questions are:
1. Will he let you see it?
2. Can he prove it's not a hoax?
3. Why does it have one board longer than the other that the legs are sitting on, going underneath what looks like to be a wooden box?
4. Is there a power wire underneath the longer board?

Lynx

RE: ValyEnergiStar: Most Convincing Motor/Generator Demonstration Yet
« Reply #13, on September 25th, 2013, 02:40 PM »
Quote from Jeff Nading on September 25th, 2013, 02:35 PM
Quote from adys15 on September 25th, 2013, 12:11 PM
I talked to Valy and he said he want to patent the device,and then make a description on how it works,without technical details!
So the questions are:
1. Will he let you see it?
2. Can he prove it's not a hoax?
3. Why does it have one board longer than the other that the legs are sitting on, going underneath what looks like to be a wooden box?
4. Is there a power wire underneath the longer board?
5. Can he get it up and running in the middle of the Sahara desert?








Matt Watts

RE: ValyEnergiStar: Most Convincing Motor/Generator Demonstration Yet
« Reply #14, on September 25th, 2013, 02:45 PM »
Quote from Lynx on September 25th, 2013, 02:40 PM
5. Can he get it up and running in the middle of the Sahara desert?
I'd say Siberia, but that's just me.

firepinto

RE: ValyEnergiStar: Most Convincing Motor/Generator Demonstration Yet
« Reply #15, on September 25th, 2013, 03:06 PM »
Quote from Matt Watts on September 25th, 2013, 02:45 PM
Quote from Lynx on September 25th, 2013, 02:40 PM
5. Can he get it up and running in the middle of the Sahara desert?
I'd say Siberia, but that's just me.
I want to see it powering a electric RC aeroplane, while on board.

Would be hard to deny that one. :D

Jeff Nading

RE: ValyEnergiStar: Most Convincing Motor/Generator Demonstration Yet
« Reply #16, on September 25th, 2013, 03:26 PM »
Quote from firepinto on September 25th, 2013, 03:06 PM
Quote from Matt Watts on September 25th, 2013, 02:45 PM
Quote from Lynx on September 25th, 2013, 02:40 PM
5. Can he get it up and running in the middle of the Sahara desert?
I'd say Siberia, but that's just me.
I want to see it powering a electric RC aeroplane, while on board.

Would be hard to deny that one. :D
These are all good! :D:D:D

adys15

RE: ValyEnergiStar: Most Convincing Motor/Generator Demonstration Yet
« Reply #17, on September 26th, 2013, 02:16 AM »Last edited on September 26th, 2013, 02:17 AM by adys15
I talked on  yt channel a few words,but seems a serious guy,he said he knows about the wood suport and he will remediate this.
I dont think its a hoax because he wants to comercialise it in the future

Jeff Nading

RE: ValyEnergiStar: Most Convincing Motor/Generator Demonstration Yet
« Reply #18, on September 26th, 2013, 02:33 PM »
Quote from adys15 on September 26th, 2013, 02:16 AM
I talked on  yt channel a few words,but seems a serious guy,he said he knows about the wood suport and he will remediate this.

I dont think its a hoax because he wants to comercialise it in the future
Thanks adys15. :D

adys15

RE: ValyEnergiStar: Most Convincing Motor/Generator Demonstration Yet
« Reply #19, on November 9th, 2013, 01:45 PM »Last edited on November 9th, 2013, 05:17 PM by Jeff Nading
No that's a real proof!take a look,he solved the ''wood piece '' problem.Its amazing!only 15Kw in this video but with the new flyweel it produces 28kw!I'm so proud that he is my conpatriot!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qa3MmdqdQ0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qa3MmdqdQ0

Jeff Nading

RE: ValyEnergiStar: Most Convincing Motor/Generator Demonstration Yet
« Reply #20, on November 9th, 2013, 05:18 PM »
Well what do you guys think now, watch the updated video. Thanks for posting this adys.

Matt Watts

RE: ValyEnergiStar: Most Convincing Motor/Generator Demonstration Yet
« Reply #21, on November 9th, 2013, 07:37 PM »
Quote from adys15 on November 9th, 2013, 01:45 PM
No that's a real proof!take a look,he solved the ''wood piece '' problem.Its amazing!only 15Kw in this video but with the new flyweel it produces 28kw!I'm so proud that he is my conpatriot!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qa3MmdqdQ0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qa3MmdqdQ0
That's very cool.  The only thing that would be better is if you could actually spend a day with him while looking at his machine.  I bet you could come back and tell us what the secret is inside that special box on top.

Jeff Nading

RE: ValyEnergiStar: Most Convincing Motor/Generator Demonstration Yet
« Reply #22, on November 9th, 2013, 07:46 PM »
I think the flywheel does much of the work once it is started and will it stop in a week or two, then have to be restarted. If that were the case, it would still be better than being on the grid, one could start it with batteries. :cool::D:P

Matt Watts

RE: ValyEnergiStar: Most Convincing Motor/Generator Demonstration Yet
« Reply #23, on November 9th, 2013, 08:58 PM »
Quote from Jeff Nading on November 9th, 2013, 07:46 PM
I think the flywheel does much of the work once it is started and will it stop in a week or two, then have to be restarted. If that were the case, it would still be better than being on the grid, one could start it with batteries. :cool::D:P
Naah, that little flywheel is only handling small transient surges.  Right at the very end when he powers off, you can tell how quickly the thing will spool down.  Something tells me Valy has figured this beast out.  If he's not cheating, he does indeed have a self runner that should go until the bearings wear out.  Pretty darn cool if you ask me.  Sure wish I could spend a month with him and learn his secrets.

If this gizmo is for sale, we should all chip in and purchase a small one to reverse engineer.  I have no plans to steal his technology.  I'd really like to see something in my garage running by itself, for private use only.  Just knowing it can be done and witnessing it first hand would be a game changer for me.

Jeff Nading

RE: ValyEnergiStar: Most Convincing Motor/Generator Demonstration Yet
« Reply #24, on November 10th, 2013, 06:28 AM »
It seems to me :D, it takes time and energy to achieve the RPM/speed needed for the motor/generator/flywheel. Then when  the RPM/speed envelope is achieved and only then can the flywheel "aid" in overcoming motor/gen/pulley drag requirements of inertia and maintain the needed RPM to keep the motor/generator running. Eliminate the flywheel, the machine will not run. Too, what would happen if you were to induce a heavy load to the generator, would it cause the flywheel to slow down enough to go outside of the RPM/speed envelope, then stop running? I'm just saying :D:D, of course it's just speculation on my part. Wonder what he will be charging $$$ for this motor/generator setup out the door? I'm with you on having this setup, if it truly works, to be off grid would be awesome.:cool::D:P