Stan Meyer's Steam Resonator

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Re: Stan Meyer's Steam Resonator
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If you look at the theories behind Peter Davey's technology, it revert back to my theory of Meyer's and Puharich's tech of the "beat" phenomenon where 2 frequencies are merged to give a new frequency or AM signal. Tony Wood Side
Re: Stan Meyer's Steam Resonator
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Yeah I did notice that but I'm not understanding it???
What purpose does the amplitude modulation serve?
(I have to add also that I have got amplitude modulation in some of Meyer's VIC matrix circuit multisim replications)

 Tony Wood Side
Re: Stan Meyer's Steam Resonator
« Reply #102,  »
What kind of transformer would be best - a step-up?
I know Stan had two different resonators - one had 4 conductors, the other had only two.
From what I've learned about the AM signal is that it acts as a Wave–particle duality. This vibrates the molecule!
Re: Stan Meyer's Steam Resonator
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From what I've learned about the AM signal is that it acts as a Wave–particle duality. This vibrates the molecule! Tony Wood Side
Re: Stan Meyer's Steam Resonator
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What kind of transformer would be best - a step-up?
I know Stan had two different resonators - one had 4 conductors, the other had only two.
The waveforms appear to be correct now, but nothing happens at the cell regardless of what you do.

The greatest mystery is - what goes between the output of the circuit and the cell - a diode on the secondary?
Perhaps a diode needs to be added to the output of the circuit before the transformer?
Also, how long did your cell take to heat up the water at all?
Are the signal inputs actually 5V or 12V? Tony Wood Side
Re: Stan Meyer's Steam Resonator
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Ok I think I understand....

So are you saying the molecule vibration is the "resonant action" (particle oscillation) that Meyer talks about?
Re: Stan Meyer's Steam Resonator
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From everything I've read between Meyer and Puharich, I would have to say Yes! :-)
Re: Stan Meyer's Steam Resonator
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Here are the connections.


FULL CREDIT TO TONY WOODSIDE AWESOME STUFF
Re: Stan Meyer's Steam Resonator
« Reply #109,  »
Thanks for the clarification.
I will input 5V square waves and see what happens.
The transformer - it looks like a 1:1 - is that right?
Also, wouldn't some diodes be needed on the output to cut down the back EMF and
to protect the TIP120's, or is that what we are after?

I will try a few different ones to see which works best.
Wouldn't it be great if I could get some hot water!!
Re: Stan Meyer's Steam Resonator
« Reply #110,  »
Interesting water-gap!
Stan Meyer 0.0950 inch = 2.4 millimeters
Peter Davey 0.0826 inch = 2.1 millimeters

Looks like Peter used "Three" frequencies: 350, 49, 1000Hz
So there must be a "key note" for the water molecule and use this fundamental frequency and put harmonic on it or enharmonic ?
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1305.msg22201.html#msg22201

Note:
If you have a fundamental frequency (sinewave) and then put a harmonic (sinewave) on the fundamental we get a new shape.

"There are several important aspects to this new shape.
First, its shape is not a simple sine wave, so it will sound richer than just a pure tone.
Second, even though the shape is different, the period and frequency are the same as the fundamental above.
This is very important, because it means that the pitch stays the same.
So, now we can see the connection between shape, harmonics and tone quality.
If add harmonics to the fundamental, we change the shape of the wave, but not its pitch, so this gives us a way of independently controlling the tone quality without affecting the pitch. It does not matter if we add a wave at 3f, 7f, or 32f. The shape will change but the pitch will not."

Br,
Webmug
Re: Stan Meyer's Steam Resonator
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Circuit explained:
 
The transistors are configured as an H-bridge.
This series of transistors will take 400 volts.
T1 is a 1:10 step-up. T2 is the choke coils bifilar wrapped similar to the 8XA.
The bridge diodes should act as the blocking diode.
The CD4047 will deliver a near perfect 50/50 pulse.
The only thing I’m not sure of is the value of the bias resistors for the transistors,
and the overall frequencies.
I plan on winding the coils on a large ferrite U core, probably with 18 gauge wire.
Re: Stan Meyer's Steam Resonator
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The last thing I am trying to understand is if the steam resonator tubes were part of an open circuit or a closed circuit. A transformer will still provide voltage in an open circuit. One of Meyer's drawings shows the tubes connected to ground making a complete circuit so I'm not sure. Or does the water act as a ground?

What do you guys think?

Re: Figuring out the Steam Resonator

Yes, this is confusing to me also HMS, Stan's document shows a separate ground for an optional 'heat resonator'?
The ground seems to be separate from that of the primary and driving circuitry.
I have built that circuit with many variations, and got no results.
I believe Stan left something out intentionally, for patent reasons.

Below is a pic from my scope using Tony's alternating dc circuit which is supposed to heat the water, but so far the only thing it heats is the two 220 ohm resistors, and they get HOT!
The scope is connected at the secondary of the transformer, across the cell.
Water is distilled. Scope is set to 5V / div, so the signal amplitude is approx. 20V.

I am certain the fault lies somewhere in my transformer construction, which only Tony knows how to build correctly.
My transformer consists of approx. 600 turns 29AWG magnet wire primary and 3000 turns 29AWG magnet wire secondary, on a ferrite rod with permeability of 200.

It can't be anything else, because the waveforms and circuit seem to be working correctly...

I am not giving up though - each day you fail is one day closer to success!
Re: Stan Meyer's Steam Resonator
« Reply #113,  »
That waveform is exactly what I'm seeing in my multisim designs as well.
If you remove those high ohm resistors the waveform will become more square.
But you probably need a higher secondary inductance to limit the current in a way which does not dissipate so much power and mess up the waveform.
Re: Stan Meyer's Steam Resonator
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HMS, the scope reading is from Tony's circuit with the TIP120 transistors, and there are no high value resistors in the circuit...
Re: Stan Meyer's Steam Resonator
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Bubz,

Nice find! It is interesting in that the document refers to frequencies that affect the water molecule.
I believe the steam resonator is not as specific as the resonant cavity unit though, as it only needs to pulse two plates alternately + then - in sequence.
I believe our issues lie in the transformer design. The only ones I know who have been successful are Tony and Don, to some degree.
I am not aware of any others who claim to have the steam resonator working, or to have heated water any other way aside from electrolysis.
I will try augus' circuit and see if I get better results than with Tony's resistor heater!

Augus: Is the 1khz source in your diagram from another external 1khz source or is it the 4047 listed in the circuit? Tony Wood Side
Re: Stan Meyer's Steam Resonator
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The title of this video is misleading, but, what is really being shown is how water can be heated with a resonant cavity and without an alternating electric field.


https://youtu.be/rdOJZDWJkuk
Re: Stan Meyer's Steam Resonator
« Reply #118,  »
Why do you say that Sebosfato?

It seems to me the SM has 3 coils. Primary, secondary, pulse pickup. The pulse pickup coil is used witht the PLL circuit to detect and lock on to the self resonance of the secondary coil. At the secondary coils self resonance it becomes a parallel tank circuit which has a nearly infinite impedance. Rectify the output since the parallel tank creates AC (rectifiers shown at each switching transistor on the home heating unit) and switch the transistors at high speed to change the polarity across the tubes and you heat the water in the same fashion as a microwave.

There's probably more to it than that, as we have discovered about most of Meyer's work but for now that's my understanding.....
Re: Stan Meyer's Steam Resonator
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o, from what I have learned there are a few ways you can build the steam resonator.
-You can use Tony's circuit which is kinda like a halfbridge driver.
-You can build a fullbridge driver to switch the polarity at the primary coil
-Or you can switch the polarity directly at the resonator.

Switching the polarity at the secondary side (directly at the resonator) gives the most flexibility as this way you can drive the coil at a constant frequency. This way changing the switching frequency will not change the impedance of the coil, and you can switch the polarity as fast as you want. I'm not sure if Meyer used 'Dead time' between switching or if that was why he had those high watt resistors to prevent the short circuit during the swictching overlap. The Tech Brief diagrams do show dead time though. Trying to figure out how to add it to the driving circuit???
Re: Stan Meyer's Steam Resonator
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I never said it worked as far as converting water into steam. I just said this was a circuit I made and tested that does the flip-flop to the input signal. I used the 220 ohm resistors to limit current in the circuit, but they aren't needed...you can replace the 220 resistors with a wire if you'd like. But once again, I never claimed the circuit produced steam, if it did them we would also have all the WFC tech working properly, since the steam resonator is a spin-off technology of the WFC.
Re: Stan Meyer's Steam Resonator
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Yes, but you mentioned it did heat water.
Any heat would ne nice, as long as it is no only the resistors that get flame!
I will try with different resistor values on he TIPs also.
Thanks for updating
Re: Stan Meyer's Steam Resonator
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I said if it acts like AC power, then it should heat water. As in if you take 120vac mains voltage and feed it directly to your cell, it will heat water very fast.
Re: Stan Meyer's Steam Resonator
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2017  Summary, this was the best I could find on the work done to date,

We know that Stan Said phase in dc back and forth quickly  positive and negative in a flip flop using volts not amps will make water hot
I believe tony advanced this and now with works done on flip flops tip and h bridge , it will be interesting to see if we can get this part of Stans tech to make heat in the water. as he designed.

Dan

Matt Watts

Re: Stan Meyer's Steam Resonator
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Dan, if these statements are from people other than yourself, would you mind going back and quoting them with links to the original thread.

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Otherwise this is known as plagiarism, which I know Russ frowns on.  In this day and age it is almost more important to know who said what than what was actually said.